No, that's an autistic Mr. Negative.
No, that's an autistic Mr. Negative.
They are corpo, they will be ripped apart by their management.Matara, Kuro
Did do that indirectly, expressed support in vagueposts and behind the scenes.Pomu
Can you give a reason as to why it would be a great business move to get involved in the situation?Anyone can think of a reason as to why the three "amicable" graduates from NijiEN don't rush to support Doki?
So far the only former NijiEN to proudly support Doki are Sayu (terminated) and U-San (terminated in spirit). None of Matara, Kuro or Pomu even follow Doki on twitter. Kuro is exercising his favourite past-time of sitting on fences and his statements so far have mostly been in support of the remaining Nijis. Matara as far as I know has yet to say anything. Pomu's statement is odd because it insinuates she knew and "wishes she could have done more".
Mika has also been quiet on the whole thing as far as I know.
To me it makes it look like one of the following:
1) They value their remaining friendships in NijiEN more.
2) They have remaining NDAs / Contractual obligations (seems odd since they are apparently free to do what they want in terms of their online activities)
3) Since Mata and Kuro are VShojo and Pomu and Mika are likely to follow, maybe it's on VShojo (again odd, since Zentreya follows Doki, also "talent freedom")
Honestly, I never really fully understood the business plan of consecutive generations to begin with. Like, I get that the main goal is to catch more eyes, but it's usually the same people who already support currently existing talents. They just end up forced to drop a few focuses and probably stop looking at new gens altogether because of there being too many possible chuubas to subscribe and frequently watch. After the first three gens in NijiEN, I just mentally ignore the subsequent gens because I don't have any time at all for more of them. Hololive's slow release just seems way more sustainable and I can actually remember who is who because of it.It's actually regressing to the norms. We were spoiled by Hololive when it comes to subs number.
If you look at subs number in NijiJP. This is actually what happens when you keep ACCELERATING. There will be plenty of people who struggle behind. Below table count active vtubers by vstats
Tl;dr 75% of their livers are below 500k mark and only 5 are above 1 million.
The company is literally powered by the bottomless money pit called fujoshi who will gladly buy fake copied handsign by a livers' moderator.
Unrelated bonus: I found out that nijisanji has livers with the name of : Air; Pettit Rat; Kenya; Selling Burgundy; Seraph Dazzlegarden; Conifer.
Subs Count %
≤100.000 20 13,89% ≤200.000 53 36,81% ≤300.000 78 54,17%
≤400.000 95 65,97%
≤500.000 108 75,00% <500.000 >1.000.000 31 21,53% ≥1.000.000 5 3,47% Total 144
Turns out Vezalius Bandage isn't that bad after all
Not so much mangement. They just dont want to burn collab bridges for whole vshojo until tardEN is completely destroyed. Also taking sides in drama is very unprofessional even if it's crystal clear. Many sponsors won't like such things.They are corpo, they will be ripped apart by their management.
So is Zentreya.They are corpo, they will be ripped apart by their management.
It's been a great business move for everyone else. I just think It would be a slam dunk at this moment in time, unless they believe public sentiment will pivot. Everybody here and elsewhere thinks Niji is beyond saving, so burn the dinky little bridge you have left, score some brownie points and secure a relationship with top trending VTuber Dokibird.Can you give a reason as to why it would be a great business move to get involved in the situation?
Well they make way more money than hololive despite suisei selling albums like hot cakes so they must do something rightHonestly, I never really fully understood the business plan of consecutive generations to begin with. Like, I get that the main goal is to catch more eyes, but it's usually the same people who already support currently existing talents. They just end up forced to drop a few focuses and probably stop looking at new gens altogether because of there being too many possible chuubas to subscribe and frequently watch. After the first three gens in NijiEN, I just mentally ignore the subsequent gens because I don't have any time at all for more of them. Hololive's slow release just seems way more sustainable and I can actually remember who is who because of it.
rrats are it was Fulgur who posted that, according to a reply to that post, at least.
talents frantically charting plans to portray everyone who fucked up as victims of le evil managment, while management franticaly trying to annoit least popular talent as scrapegoats
I'm sorry, but this is blatantly false. You are incredibly vastly overestimating how many vtubers "make it" to some degree. Fucking Kirsche had her CCV stuck at 40-50 at most until she exploded, which was three years into her streaming career. For me, it's very easy to see the temptation of getting out of the 2view trenches.And yet you see people telling that joining Niji for numbers boost is a good idea. For an indie if you are on a grind and have a reasonable amount of talent, reaching 10-30k subs in half a year is not unreasonable. And I have a massive trouble believing that an indie with 30k who can play whatever she wants, collab with whoever she wants, do whatever she wants, is somehow earning less than a Niji talent with less than 100k subs. Bonus point, if you are too proactive and try too hard in Niji you will also get fucked in the ass and abused
Seems rather ruthless, but it makes sense from a pure numbers standpoint. The main appeal would be having a reputable corpo as a part of your appeal would hook people, in addition to the corpo fans as well as aggressive marketing that indies are not often capable of doing. That being said, I dunno how much that "reputable" status would stay alive overseas. NijiEN was their big international audience hook and now it's tainted by this whole situation.Well they make way more money than hololive despite suisei selling albums like hot cakes so they must do something right
Basically it's the art of having diverse enough content so the small livers still make the company money
E.g let's ignore the top and look at the bottom 100. Per say on average a quarter, they brings in 12k$ per talent in revenue, the company take 10k cut, the talent take 2k cut (very generously estimated due to 2%), bam they made 1 million dollar a year on them. Does it matter if the talents are earning below minimum wage without a base salary? No? fuck them. Riku gets more yacht money.
Examples? For every indie who "made it" there's a couple hundreds who don't, and not necessarily bc of talent. Sometimes they get unlucky with the algorithm, or are too niche to find their audience fast enough. And streaming to 3 people for two months (after spending 1k on a model) before some clipper makes a video of you talking about balls or whatever, it's probably a chore. Sure, some keep grinding, but you can certainly see the appeal of having 10-30k people guaranteed giving you a chance on day 1.And yet you see people telling that joining Niji for numbers boost is a good idea. For an indie if you are on a grind and have a reasonable amount of talent, reaching 10-30k subs in half a year is not unreasonable.
A 30k indie can't collab with their oshis. A 30k niji might.And I have a massive trouble believing that an indie with 30k who can play whatever she wants, collab with whoever she wants, do whatever she wants, is somehow earning less than a Niji talent with less than 100k subs. Bonus point, if you are too proactive and try too hard in Niji you will also get fucked in the ass and abused
"amicable" probably (definitely, they've talked about it iirc) comes with a contract to keep it that way. Termination means they don't have any more control over you.Anyone can think of a reason as to why the three "amicable" graduates from NijiEN don't rush to support Doki?
That probably factors in1) They value their remaining friendships in NijiEN more.
Kuro has said that he's keeping to contract (idk of he used that word specifically or left it implied), and that there're things he's not allowed to say. Left ambiguous as to whether that's vshojo or part of his agreement with niji as he left.2) They have remaining NDAs / Contractual obligations (seems odd since they are apparently free to do what they want in terms of their online activities)
I doubt it, but idk. I think it's pretty standard for a company like niji to have you sign an NDA as you leave in return for being able to leave peacefully. Especially if you left because of problems with management.3) Since Mata and Kuro are VShojo and Pomu and Mika are likely to follow, maybe it's on VShojo (again odd, since Zentreya follows Doki, also "talent freedom")
I meant more if their oshi is niji as well.I mean, that depends. Suisei, Matsuri & Kiara have all collabed with 2views they either randomly found on youtube or who were specifically their fans. Matsuri actually does this by the literal dozen.
If the 2view routinely streams and isn't terrified by the idea of human contact, collabing with their oshi actually seems easier to achieve than it would be if they're a Niji. Just ask Pomu.
Zen has no past with Niji. Matara and Kuro taking her side instead of their friends there and ex-company will be noticed and drag Vshojo in the drama, in my opinion.So is Zentreya.
It's been a great business move for everyone else. I just think It would be a slam dunk at this moment in time, unless they believe public sentiment will pivot. Everybody here and elsewhere thinks Niji is beyond saving, so burn the dinky little bridge you have left, score some brownie points and secure a relationship with top trending VTuber Dokibird.
Seraph Dazzlegarden is a bit of special case because back when he's still part of Virtual Talent Academy/VTA, his name is like, pretty normal-sounding "Misono Satoshi". Think he decided to spice things up by changing it like that.Unrelated bonus: I found out that nijisanji has livers with the name of : Air; Pettit Rat; Kenya; Selling Burgundy; Seraph Dazzlegarden; Conifer.
Is it really a great business move if what you said is to just go and flock to the current trend of the year, aka Dokibird? Seems short-hand to me, but I'm not as knowledgeable. Do explain to us, if you like.It's been a great business move for everyone else. I just think It would be a slam dunk at this moment in time, unless they believe public sentiment will pivot. Everybody here and elsewhere thinks Niji is beyond saving, so burn the dinky little bridge you have left, score some brownie points and secure a relationship with top trending VTuber Dokibird.
Mine didn't show that on an incognito tab and TIL I can't take screenshots of a mobile incognito tabThis is the worst timeline
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I'm not sure why it wouldn't apply to Doki and Sayu but Sayu did say Yugo got the shaft somewhere in her breakdown 4 months agoWhat possible grounds would Yugo have to sue, though, and why did Zaion and Selen not have the same grounds?
Did Zentreya actually say anything or just follow Doki?Anyone can think of a reason as to why the three "amicable" graduates from NijiEN don't rush to support Doki?
So far the only former NijiEN to proudly support Doki are Sayu (terminated) and U-San (terminated in spirit). None of Matara, Kuro or Pomu even follow Doki on twitter. Kuro is exercising his favourite past-time of sitting on fences and his statements so far have mostly been in support of the remaining Nijis. Matara as far as I know has yet to say anything. Pomu's statement is odd because it insinuates she knew and "wishes she could have done more".
Mika has also been quiet on the whole thing as far as I know.
To me it makes it look like one of the following:
1) They value their remaining friendships in NijiEN more.
2) They have remaining NDAs / Contractual obligations (seems odd since they are apparently free to do what they want in terms of their online activities)
3) Since Mata and Kuro are VShojo and Pomu and Mika are likely to follow, maybe it's on VShojo (again odd, since Zentreya follows Doki, also "talent freedom")
True correct me if I'm wrong but I think not even Pippa has said anything about it I think fishman made it clear they weren't involving themselves because Pippa did comment on pomu grad in confusion that it wasn't selen but when it came to the termination radio silence as far as I knowCompanies that did cut ties benefit from the PR like Hyte and other merch shops, artists etc, or they are too big for Niji to challenge like EA. Hololive didn't get involved. Has any agency took Doki's side openly?
You would be right if it wasnt temporary, this drama will die down and people will move on. Gaining temporary viewers is not worth hurting your relations with your friends and maybe losing opportunities. The difference with Doki is she got dragged in this shitshow and she never wanted anything to do with it. They're still ex-coworkers. I dont think they need to get involved in drama to collab with doki if they ever feel like it.So is Zentreya.
It's been a great business move for everyone else. I just think It would be a slam dunk at this moment in time, unless they believe public sentiment will pivot. Everybody here and elsewhere thinks Niji is beyond saving, so burn the dinky little bridge you have left, score some brownie points and secure a relationship with top trending VTuber Dokibird.
Frankly, I dunno why it would be a great business move when all it does is pull your whole channel and identity into the fray. If Mata or Kuro in particular joined in, the whole of Vshojo would be dragged in. Their whole content would be forced to acknowledge this drama and they won't be able to diversify, but if they do, the chat and dramafags in chat would just keep asking for their opinion in the situation. It won't result in permanent subs, it will just be a temporary affair because they'll be unsubbed to after the whole ordeal is over. It's too short-term of an advantage. On Pomu, it just seems like she doesn't want to go into the fray for her mental health. In addition to the whole dramafag subbing then unsubbing, she just recently graduated and if it is as harsh of a work environment as Selen went through, it'll be mentally taxing to be reminded of it. This isn't even factoring the thought of "Why didn't they voice this earlier?" and "They just say it out loud now that someone is vocal?", which might affect their reputation (probably). Meanwhile Sayu has clear reason to be fully vocal in support due to her indie status and the circumstances of her leaving, so it only reinforces the subs she already has. I dunno enough about U-san to say anything.Anyone can think of a reason as to why the three "amicable" graduates from NijiEN don't rush to support Doki?
So far the only former NijiEN to proudly support Doki are Sayu (terminated) and U-San (terminated in spirit). None of Matara, Kuro or Pomu even follow Doki on twitter. Kuro is exercising his favourite past-time of sitting on fences and his statements so far have mostly been in support of the remaining Nijis. Matara as far as I know has yet to say anything. Pomu's statement is odd because it insinuates she knew and "wishes she could have done more".
Mika has also been quiet on the whole thing as far as I know.
To me it makes it look like one of the following:
1) They value their remaining friendships in NijiEN more.
2) They have remaining NDAs / Contractual obligations (seems odd since they are apparently free to do what they want in terms of their online activities)
3) Since Mata and Kuro are VShojo and Pomu and Mika are likely to follow, maybe it's on VShojo (again odd, since Zentreya follows Doki, also "talent freedom")
well yagoo is literally an unicorn. The goal of all CEO but him are pocketing more money and sacrificing the lowest grunts are the easiest way to do so. See Amazon or basically all corpors. None of them cares about reputation or human lives.Seems rather ruthless, but it makes sense from a pure numbers standpoint. The main appeal would be having a reputable corpo as a part of your appeal would hook people, in addition to the corpo fans as well as aggressive marketing that indies are not often capable of doing. That being said, I dunno how much that "reputable" status would stay alive overseas. NijiEN was their big international audience hook and now it's tainted by this whole situation.