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[dkn2038]

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[lakyus]

The image was me making a joke about the idea of anyone refusing to believe the information that was shared there. Said information was exactly the kind of thing I was talking about; a clear example where Sakana could've chosen to be on a wrongful course that led to the destruction of the company, but ended up making the right decision after pressure from his talents, who held the power to simply leave and let his dreams of being an idol company owner die in the gutter.



You misunderstand my point. I am not saying that Sakana is randomly going to decide to do another 'no build-a-bear streams ever' move like he did to Pippa early on and nearly cause her to implode until people forced him to reconsider. I am saying that now, after Sakana has gained a vast amount of power and influence in this industry, he has the natural weight, presence and authority to compel people to do things and change their content to conform with his vision in a way that he starkly lacked years ago.

It does not have to be a clear case of him saying 'don't do this/you must do this or I will ruin you', it can be a simple, progressive application of pressure and allocation of resources that encourages some kinds of behaviour and discourages others. As his power and influence grow, so too does his passive leverage over the output of his talents. A good business owner knows how to steer his business in a desired direction without needing to resort to confrontation.

Remember also that the vast majority of women who become vtubers are deeply introverted and conflict-averse, while also suffering from major self-esteem issues. Pippa is a great example of this. These are employees who will instinctively go with the flow and not advocate for their own positions in order to fit in and keep what they see as a good thing going.

At the start of Phase Connect, it was an unproven company and Sakana and unproven leader. The power dynamics favoured the talents. Now they don't, and the fact that Pippa or Tenma or anyone else leaving in a big drama might destroy Phase isn't relevant to that equation. They are profoundly unlikely to do so, because that is simply not how they are likely to behave.

We have many, many examples of talents graduating from far worse companies than Phase Connect and then revealing later on they had to deal with extreme distress, misery, self-doubt and other similar things after the event, despite clearly being the injured party. Women are absolutely amazing at blaming themselves for things that were clearly the fault of other people. I challenge @thhrang to dispute my assertion that Pippa leaving Phase, even if it was literally prompted by Sakana taking a whip to her back and leaving her with scars, would be anything less than mentally devastating for her and result in months to years of self-doubt, second-guessing and self-recrimination.



How do we know their actions 'displeased Sakana'? Sure, it was probably inconvenient with Hina not being contactable, but neither of them were particular standouts from their generation and never generated much hype. By the time they debuted, Phase was already powerful and influential; Sakana likely did not expend much money on them relative to his income and simply didn't need to crack the whip, especially when doing so might have impacted his extremely positive reputation. It costs him very little to be lenient with low-performing talents like Saya, Hina and the little JP channels, while also maintaining the public image that Phase Connect is somewhere anyone can succeed and find their own niche.



Most of my previous commentary in this post applies here as well. I agree with this sentiment, but I also think that it'd be wrong to assess his actions purely on the basis of how Phase Connect runs publicly. He's a businessman, and his kind don't consider things from the same perspectives that customers and viewers do. He will be looking for the profitable course of action, either in the long term or the short term. Profitable for him, not profitable for Phase. I hopefully don't need to pull out the roughly ten billion examples of CEO's making business decisions that ruined their companies but left them with huge personal profits.

Every businessman has their price. Every businessman will take a flamethrower to everything they've built if they can be convinced that the profits from doing so will fund a bigger, better building next time. There's a reason that professional businessmen have a roughly 50% rate of addiction to hard substances. It is a world where the incentives compel even the most moral participant to act in a ruthless, conniving and self-justifying fashion. The ones that can't hack it either kill themselves or cash out.

Yes, Sakana probably does know that he's one decision away from being a villain. What's not merely probable but absolutely certain in my eyes is that he'd make that decision anyway without hesitation if he thought it would be more gainful than not making that decision. The public impact would simply be another statistic to be assigned a value to, either in money or opportunity cost. That doesn't make him a monster or anything, it's just the default view any high-level businessman would have.

Anyway, in conclusion; I don't think Phase is going to become a black company anytime soon. I just don't think that most people stop and give a nuanced analysis as to what the dynamics and incentives at play really are from all angles.

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

You know I was thinking about you know how way back in the day Gura retired right. I was a thinking that it would be dope if she just didn't come back so she could play her Dad's magnum opus Oblivion the remake. Play it for all eternity

I think the chumbuds would dig that

 

[dkn2038]

I would love to see that just to see chumbuds go apeshit over the obvious tranny the first time they ever collab
or the constant whoring

She would probably do this again...

 

[frz]

Most of my previous commentary in this post applies here as well. I agree with this sentiment, but I also think that it'd be wrong to assess his actions purely on the basis of how Phase Connect runs publicly.

Anyway, in conclusion; I don't think Phase is going to become a black company anytime soon. I just don't think that most people stop and give a nuanced analysis as to what the dynamics and incentives at play really are from all angles.

For once in a lifetime I'm going to agree with Proctor. Alot of the Sakana dick sucking aren't based on his decision/actual ability as a businessman but it's on Phase Connect doing well right now.
Let's look at some of the recent string of graduation from holo that led people turned on YAGOO and started using "investors" to say Hololive has gone to shit.
Dooby - already don't know what to stream after being given all so much talent freedom as an indie
Mumei & Chloe - Graduated due to health reason

Imagine if the same happen to Phase Connect, Pippa & Tenma lost their voice and decided to graduate, Jelly runs out of idea what to stream and the car crash girl finally hit a car crash that she can't physically recover from. Would you still say the same about Sakana being a brilliant businessman?

There's still the merch shit that he hasn't sorted out, and looking like it will never ever be sorted out in the next 10 years (thanks trump). Easily the worst run company in the industry merch-wise, even worse than the subathon scam companies. They do subathons scams yes but noone complained about the products that they actually delivered.

 

[Sky Shouter]

The image was me making a joke about the idea of anyone refusing to believe the information that was shared there. Said information was exactly the kind of thing I was talking about; a clear example where Sakana could've chosen to be on a wrongful course that led to the destruction of the company, but ended up making the right decision after pressure from his talents, who held the power to simply leave and let his dreams of being an idol company owner die in the gutter.



You misunderstand my point. I am not saying that Sakana is randomly going to decide to do another 'no build-a-bear streams ever' move like he did to Pippa early on and nearly cause her to implode until people forced him to reconsider. I am saying that now, after Sakana has gained a vast amount of power and influence in this industry, he has the natural weight, presence and authority to compel people to do things and change their content to conform with his vision in a way that he starkly lacked years ago.

It does not have to be a clear case of him saying 'don't do this/you must do this or I will ruin you', it can be a simple, progressive application of pressure and allocation of resources that encourages some kinds of behaviour and discourages others. As his power and influence grow, so too does his passive leverage over the output of his talents. A good business owner knows how to steer his business in a desired direction without needing to resort to confrontation.

Remember also that the vast majority of women who become vtubers are deeply introverted and conflict-averse, while also suffering from major self-esteem issues. Pippa is a great example of this. These are employees who will instinctively go with the flow and not advocate for their own positions in order to fit in and keep what they see as a good thing going.

At the start of Phase Connect, it was an unproven company and Sakana and unproven leader. The power dynamics favoured the talents. Now they don't, and the fact that Pippa or Tenma or anyone else leaving in a big drama might destroy Phase isn't relevant to that equation. They are profoundly unlikely to do so, because that is simply not how they are likely to behave.

We have many, many examples of talents graduating from far worse companies than Phase Connect and then revealing later on they had to deal with extreme distress, misery, self-doubt and other similar things after the event, despite clearly being the injured party. Women are absolutely amazing at blaming themselves for things that were clearly the fault of other people. I challenge @thhrang to dispute my assertion that Pippa leaving Phase, even if it was literally prompted by Sakana taking a whip to her back and leaving her with scars, would be anything less than mentally devastating for her and result in months to years of self-doubt, second-guessing and self-recrimination.



How do we know their actions 'displeased Sakana'? Sure, it was probably inconvenient with Hina not being contactable, but neither of them were particular standouts from their generation and never generated much hype. By the time they debuted, Phase was already powerful and influential; Sakana likely did not expend much money on them relative to his income and simply didn't need to crack the whip, especially when doing so might have impacted his extremely positive reputation. It costs him very little to be lenient with low-performing talents like Saya, Hina and the little JP channels, while also maintaining the public image that Phase Connect is somewhere anyone can succeed and find their own niche.



Most of my previous commentary in this post applies here as well. I agree with this sentiment, but I also think that it'd be wrong to assess his actions purely on the basis of how Phase Connect runs publicly. He's a businessman, and his kind don't consider things from the same perspectives that customers and viewers do. He will be looking for the profitable course of action, either in the long term or the short term. Profitable for him, not profitable for Phase. I hopefully don't need to pull out the roughly ten billion examples of CEO's making business decisions that ruined their companies but left them with huge personal profits.

Every businessman has their price. Every businessman will take a flamethrower to everything they've built if they can be convinced that the profits from doing so will fund a bigger, better building next time. There's a reason that professional businessmen have a roughly 50% rate of addiction to hard substances. It is a world where the incentives compel even the most moral participant to act in a ruthless, conniving and self-justifying fashion. The ones that can't hack it either kill themselves or cash out.

Yes, Sakana probably does know that he's one decision away from being a villain. What's not merely probable but absolutely certain in my eyes is that he'd make that decision anyway without hesitation if he thought it would be more gainful than not making that decision. The public impact would simply be another statistic to be assigned a value to, either in money or opportunity cost. That doesn't make him a monster or anything, it's just the default view any high-level businessman would have.

Anyway, in conclusion; I don't think Phase is going to become a black company anytime soon. I just don't think that most people stop and give a nuanced analysis as to what the dynamics and incentives at play really are from all angles.

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Nah, I give up.

Here's something far more interesting: Ember is getting a burger

 

[electronic elephant]

A handful of catalog-neighbors are currently on Kiwifarm's vtuber board.

The amount of day-old accounts shitflinging in the homeland thread is proof of how important /vt/ is as a quarantine zone.

 

[ZerroDefex]

Here's something far more interesting: Ember is getting a burger

 

[God's Strongest Dragoon]

At the start of Phase Connect, it was an unproven company and Sakana and unproven leader. The power dynamics favoured the talents. Now they don't, and the fact that Pippa or Tenma or anyone else leaving in a big drama might destroy Phase isn't relevant to that equation. They are profoundly unlikely to do so, because that is simply not how they are likely to behave.

Thank you for telling me you've never watched Tenma and have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

How do we know their actions 'displeased Sakana'? Sure, it was probably inconvenient with Hina not being contactable, but neither of them were particular standouts from their generation and never generated much hype.

Oh yes, a talent from his newest gen stopped streaming for 2 months, did 1 stream, and then disappeared for 6 months, missing their Gen's anniversary. Are you actually suggesting Sakana, the chink of infinite unfulfilled merch orders, was not displeased because said talent did not shill merch for the anniversary stream and then the following Christmas merch? You honestly think he didn't understand how bad it looked to shill anniversary merch of their Gen that included Hina merch while Hina was missing for months?

Women are absolutely amazing at blaming themselves for things that were clearly the fault of other people. I challenge @thhrang to dispute my assertion that Pippa leaving Phase, even if it was literally prompted by Sakana taking a whip to her back and leaving her with scars, would be anything less than mentally devastating for her and result in months to years of self-doubt, second-guessing and self-recrimination.

And you think she wouldn't show signs of being incredibly distressed after leaving? Capipis would go full scorched Earth on Sakana if she left Phase and showed she wasn't in a good mental space.

You are musing about a corpo you don't watch and have shown to lack a basic understanding of the situation there. Either start watching streams to get an idea of what's going on or go back to your groomcord and rant about how the implosion of micro-corp #387 is surely indicative of every other company in the industry. Surely micro-corp #642 will have a rippling effect across the entire industry, all the way up to Hololive!

 

[dkn2038]

For once in a lifetime I'm going to agree with Proctor. Alot of the Sakana dick sucking aren't based on his decision/actual ability as a businessman but it's on Phase Connect doing well right now.
Let's look at some of the recent string of graduation from holo that led people turned on YAGOO and started using "investors" to say Hololive has gone to shit.
Dooby - already don't know what to stream after being given all so much talent freedom as an indie
Mumei & Chloe - Graduated due to health reason

Imagine if the same happen to Phase Connect, Pippa & Tenma lost their voice and decided to graduate, Jelly runs out of idea what to stream and the car crash girl finally hit a car crash that she can't physically recover from. Would you still say the same about Sakana being a brilliant businessman?

There's still the merch shit that he hasn't sorted out, and looking like it will never ever be sorted out in the next 10 years (thanks trump). Easily the worst run company in the industry merch-wise, even worse than the subathon scam companies. They do subathons scams yes but noone complained about the products that they actually delivered.

He's really lucky, but at least has treated the girls right...

I don't want to suck his fish stick but results speak for themselves

 

[Void Scribas]

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Nah, I give up.

Here's something far more interesting: Ember is getting a burger

These Ember posts are going to make me Jamaican.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

[All this shit]

Chyat GPT, please teach the local ooperator to be more brief and concise with his autism

 

[Koops]

Imagine if gooning generated electric power...

Jerkmate knows something...

 

[dkn2038]

 

[Superduper Samurai]

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Please dont attract the DeviantArt Knee-grow enthusiasts

 

[The Proctor]

You are musing about a corpo you don't watch and have shown to lack a basic understanding of the situation there. Either start watching streams to get an idea of what's going on or go back to your groomcord and rant about how the implosion of micro-corp #387 is surely indicative of every other company in the industry. Surely micro-corp #642 will have a rippling effect across the entire industry, all the way up to Hololive!

What evidence from the streams you claim I don't watch invalidate any of my claims here? I'd appreciate timestamps and references, because I want to make sure I have a complete picture on matters and am not mislead, thank you.

And you think she wouldn't show signs of being incredibly distressed after leaving? Capipis would go full scorched Earth on Sakana if she left Phase and showed she wasn't in a good mental space.

How would that have an impact on whether or not she would leave Phase? To clarify, I agree that they'd throw a fit. But my point had nothing to do with how they'd react, but how Pippa's mindset would influence her decision to begin with. The fact that her fanbase would revolt would not have any particular impact on her own self-doubt and recrimination, in my assessment. I would even weigh it as a negative factor in her potential decision to graduate in a bad situation, because she'd likely see the resulting fallout as 'her fault' and causing disruption for the other talents, whose situations she has repeatedly shown deference to.

 

[NeneLOVE]

HEHEHEHE
After mind-controlling Proctor with charts I have now unleashed my autistic britbong minion on the phasekeks to obtain REVENGE for their mockery of Holo! Suffer my wrath inferiors! You shall never make fun of me again!

 

[CalciumAnimal]

Nowadays, the talents need to fear displeasing Sakana's wishes vastly more than Sakana needs to fear displeasing the wishes of his talents.

Bossman please please for the love of Kamioshi shut up sooner. Hina and Sayu alone disprove your point you not to mention the absences of some of the JP talent.

 

[The Proctor]

Bossman please please for the love of Kamioshi shut up sooner. Hina and Sayu alone disprove your point you not to mention the absences of some of the JP talent.

I do not see how they disprove my point in any way. The hiatus of a talent does not equal the company not having power over them.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

I do not see how they disprove my point in any way. The hiatus of a talent does not equal the company not having power over them.

His marxist leanings are showing here