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[ZerroDefex]

Mori is a a girlsuccess, but definitely a femcel.

Yes, both can be true at the same time.

 

[nooternun]

Calli's birthday 3d live is live

Great live

The numbers do beg some questions. Calli getting ~48k CCV for a live that featured practically every Holofandom is not good. Calli has shilled her merch aggressively, making sure people know how important support is to future projects. In general it seems the money has been there but I think it's Calli and not "adequate" numbers that has her secure a label and more.

Spoiler: more numbers

Kiara complaining she won't get a sololive is also backed up by EN's low numbers. Fauna's million? JP fans. Vtubing is growing outside Japan, and in the EN sphere, but Holo event numbers hasn't kept up. It's more then just post-covid, it's culture. Hololive might be the EN leader but the reason why the numbers are not growing goes back to the debates had before HoloEN even debuted. JP are fans of the box and EN are fans of individuals.

For this year here are some basic high CCV numbers for lives
Flare 81
Nene 77
Koyori 86
Miko 185
Subaru 152
Okayu 92
Aki 71
Raden 96
Suisei 72
Polka 82
Gura 59 (outfit reveal and not 3d)
Pekora 153
JP floor is around 70k and has been since 2023

Mori's SC numbers aren't that hot either, even knowing that SC's are not the current prefered monetary suppot option

Two grand less then Flare and on par with Kanata's April fools stream.
Gura is the only EN that can touch JP numbers, FWMC are on their way if Moco doesn't die, but she's not invested.

For the Holofans who wonder why Cover doesn't have a European branch or doesn't have more concerts outside of Japan the answer is numbers. It's the same answer people need to swallow for why the Stars don't get more support. Calli is the biggest EN talent, that is creating content, by far but is relugated to selling out Wednesday concerts because Cover can't trust the fans to show up.

EDIT: First draft accidently posted half baked...

 

[Johnny Jambalaya]

Great live

The numbers do beg some questions. Calli getting ~48k CCV for a live that featured practically every Holofandom is not good. Calli has shilled her merch, making sure people know how important support is to future projects. In general it seems the money has been there but I think it's Calli and not "adequate" numbers that has her secure a label and more.

Spoiler: more numbers

Kiara complaining she won't get a sololive is also backed up by EN's low numbers. Fauna's million? JP fans. Vtubing is growing outside Japan, in the EN sphere, but Holo event numbers hasn't kept up. It's more then just post-covid, it's culture.

For this year here are some basic high CCV numbers
JP floor is around 70k
Flare 81
Nene 77
Koyori 86
Miko 185
Subaru 152
Okayu 92
Aki 71
Raden 96 Suisei 72 Polka 82 Gura 59 (outfit reveal and not 3d) Pekora 153

Vtubing is more popular in Japan than the West. News at 11.

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

Buck and Spiderco are a mixture of import and domestic manufacture and they will certainly do bulk orders, I've been on forums that have done custom group buys. (Buck is the Harley Davidson of knives, though, so why bother)

Benchmade is entirely US manufactured and the landing page of their website claims >1 million knives made per year in their Oregon facility, so I'd imagine they can handle whatever you're willing to pay for. Also seen forum custom group buys with custom steel/scales/engraving choices.

I always thought Maserin was French, website lists them as Italian. I guess they were sharing space with Opinel in my brain.

There's a good number of knife manufacturers in the States because of the high quality steels made here for high-end production. I know the Internet is currently in a spiral about the economics of the USA without basically understanding any of it, but it's probably important for most to understand the USA still produces a massive amount of goods but it's only medium-high and high-end that can survive as local production. The problem with the post-NAFTA world is that volume, medium-quality production isn't economically viable against currency-manipulated production in other parts of the world.

Which, let me tell you, is truly annoying place to be when you need to buy a lot of goods. You either get cheap plastic, slightly more expensive plastic or really good quality at 10x the price. The entire middle market for most consumer goods has dropped in quality because just the existence of a super low quality & super cheap option destroys sales. Considering how much time I've had to waste on sorting through the cheap Chinesium crap to find the either non-crap Chinesium products or the weirdly random European brand product that somehow is reasonably priced in the States, it's a problem I know all too well.

Oddly enough I just bought an Opinel because I needed basic locking knife for gardening stuff. Small world.

 

[Azehara]

Hey guys it's everyone favorite retard Columbian that drama money must be pretty good if he can drop 4k to visit Japan pretty based of Canada to not let him into their country tho

4k isn't really that much in the grand scheme of things and he can't really afford it which is why he made the post. He already paid around 5k for everything in the trip. The tickets were like 2.5k originally but he can't land in Canada because he doesn't have a transit Visa. The original trip was Colombia > Canada > Japan. He now has to go to Europe and from Europe to Japan. The tickets are expensive because he is basically buying them 1 or 2 days before the trip instead of 3 months before like he probably did originally.

Also take into account that its Colombian money to USD. I am willing to bet that with 4k USD you can probably live fairly well for 3 or 4 months in Colombia.

All it takes is a free transit Visa, unless he has to fly out this week and didn't realize he needed one.

He was set to fly early in the morning today. It seems no one knew about the Transit Visa thing just the regular Visa which he applied for to visit Japan.

Great live

The numbers do beg some questions. Calli getting ~48k CCV for a live that featured practically every Holofandom is not good. Calli has shilled her merch, making sure people know how important support is to future projects. In general it seems the money has been there but I think it's Calli and not "adequate" numbers that has her secure a label and more.

Spoiler: more numbers

Kiara complaining she won't get a sololive is also backed up by EN's low numbers. Fauna's million? JP fans. Vtubing is growing outside Japan, in the EN sphere, but Holo event numbers hasn't kept up. It's more then just post-covid, it's culture.

For this year here are some basic high CCV numbers
JP floor is around 70k
Flare 81
Nene 77
Koyori 86
Miko 185
Subaru 152
Okayu 92
Aki 71
Raden 96 Suisei 72 Polka 82 Gura 59 (outfit reveal and not 3d) Pekora 153

Vtubing is more popular in Japan than the West. News at 11.

Its like 1pm in Japan on a Monday. The kids are at school and the adults are at work. The JP audience is just not there. And yes, JP does have a higher following even if NA has bigger sub (soft) numbers. In the west idol shit content is not really that hyped when compared to JP. I can assure you had this been live at 7am East Coast time, it would have possibly gotten way more viewers from the JP side.

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That some top-tier Marine outfit


Edit: Finished the Live. It was really good. Great guests, nice songs.

 

[NeneLOVE]

There's a good number of knife manufacturers in the States because of the high quality steels made here for high-end production. I know the Internet is currently in a spiral about the economics of the USA without basically understanding any of it, but it's probably important for most to understand the USA still produces a massive amount of goods but it's only medium-high and high-end that can survive as local production. The problem with the post-NAFTA world is that volume, medium-quality production isn't economically viable against currency-manipulated production in other parts of the world.

Which, let me tell you, is truly annoying place to be when you need to buy a lot of goods. You either get cheap plastic, slightly more expensive plastic or really good quality at 10x the price. The entire middle market for most consumer goods has dropped in quality because just the existence of a super low quality & super cheap option destroys sales. Considering how much time I've had to waste on sorting through the cheap Chinesium crap to find the either non-crap Chinesium products or the weirdly random European brand product that somehow is reasonably priced in the States, it's a problem I know all too well.

Oddly enough I just bought an Opinel because I needed basic locking knife for gardening stuff. Small world.

Great. Gotta love The Asylum Show!™ episodes where the inmates gather around the mess hall center table and talk about the thrilling aspects of... the knife making industry... I swear whoever is writing the script for this shit ran out of ideas by the end of season 1. It was better before Nolan got spun-off into his own series...

Also who the fuck decided my character needed ANOTHER gimmick? I'm already "the Nene Latino guy" now I'm supposed to be a discount accountant obsessed with spreadsheets too? Jesus this is like the abject opposite of flanderization...

 

[God's Strongest Dragoon]

Hey guys it's everyone favorite retard Columbian that drama money must be pretty good if he can drop 4k to visit Japan pretty based of Canada to not let him into their country tho

The guy puts out like 20-30 mins videos that get like 100-300k views. The drama money is doing him well, especially when he's a fucking Columbian.

Also who the fuck decided my character needed ANOTHER gimmick? I'm already "the Nene Latino guy" now I'm supposed to be a discount accountant obsessed with spreadsheets too? Jesus this is like the abject opposite of flanderization...

Would you prefer to go back to your Nene-Anti arc?

 

[CalciumAnimal]

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you are part of why launguage is dead. Seek Rope.

 

[Phantasm]

you are part of why launguage is dead. Seek Rope.

Nah

 

[dkn2038]

 

[Pencilfreak]

Nexas is the g(r)ift that keeps on giving


Apparently Harry claims to still own the Nexas IPs and he only "licensed" them to these people, even though didn't he also sell nexas to some other retards which rebranded it to something else?

He's out of his mind. Holy shit, he's crazier than I thought.

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

He's out of his mind. Holy shit, he's crazier than I thought.

Yeah he was in discord trying to (successfully) groom other vtubers

...

Oh you mean Harry, well that goes without saying

 

[I Wanna Die]

I can't help but feel like these 'girlfailure' gimmick 2view types are trying to emulate the early initial lightning in a bottle success someone like Pippa specifically had, but in an extremely cynical and calculating way to attempt milking maximum shekels out of an audience.

My thoughtprocess is this: by a lot of people's metrics, someone like Pippa from a few years ago would probably be considered a 'girlfail'. The stories she would tell for a couple years there - barely eating, inconsistent hygiene, antisocial, paranoia bordering on schizophrenia, extreme anxiety, difficulty making friends, ants crawling around constantly in handcam streams, moldy shit - had the effect of very easily endearing people to her, rallying behind her and rooting for her. Especially after the footstream, the industry took notice of her, and a lot of people appear to have taken the wrong lessons from it.

These 2view 'girlfailure rawr x3 so quirky and schizo BASED!!!' freaks revel in being a 'girlfailure' as a substitute for personality, making it their literal one defining trait. They cater themselves exclusively, and knowingly, to an audience of people whom maintain an eternal crabbucket mentality, and directly, explicitly, also attempt sexually appealing to them in a way that horseshoes back around to literally just being actual whores ('but they're /here/ 4chan whores so they're based!!!' - probably what their viewers would say)

What these imitators fail to realize is that a big part of Pippa's initial lightning in a bottle is that the 'girlfailure' aspect was just part of who she actually was. Genuinely, and not part as a bit, or as a main drawingpoint. It was not something that was actively seriously reveled in, she knew she had problems and she even did streams specifically regarding attempting to remedy them. Nor was it her one personality trait. One of the greatest joys I've had in my time on the entire Internet is from being a longterm fan of her and seeing her slowly, genuinely improve her life. The Pippa now is way better off than she was even just a year and a half ago (before the rekindling w/ parents). Now she has friends, now she goes outside, now she talks to people, now there's no ants or mold. It is a very satisfying thing to see unfold, and I think this is one of the huge pivots between an actual 'girlfail' like Pippa and these 'girlfailure rawr x3 so quirky and based' ones: the real ones actually want to improve their lives and don't revel in it as an actual purposeful defining eternal trait or adhere to audience crabbucketing. And something's telling me that we'll never see someone like Elfinpsyop actually go through an arc such as this. I suppose I could be wrong, I do not watch her, but literally everything I've seen from her in bulletpoints on this forum gives me the impression that she has the surfacelevel 'girlfail' aesthetic while failing to have any of the actual sincerity.

e: I just realized I basically repackaged what Proctor already said weeks ago. Oops.

All these "girl failure" vtubers want to be Pippa but none of them are willing to part with the teeth required SMH.

 

[Todd's Strongest Howard]

nijisanji must have a sniper ready at the airport just waiting for him

edit: obviously that sniper is paid in pennies

I'd do it for the love of the job tbh.

Great. Gotta love The Asylum Show!™ episodes where the inmates gather around the mess hall center table and talk about the thrilling aspects of... the knife making industry... I swear whoever is writing the script for this shit ran out of ideas by the end of season 1. It was better before Nolan got spun-off into his own series...

Also who the fuck decided my character needed ANOTHER gimmick? I'm already "the Nene Latino guy" now I'm supposed to be a discount accountant obsessed with spreadsheets too? Jesus this is like the abject opposite of flanderization...

You heard it here folks, fuck representation, we don't need any minorities having interesting character tics. Stereotypes only from here on out and we'll keep casting white people in all other roles.

you are part of why launguage is dead. Seek Rope.

You're not allowed to berate people for being shit at communicating when you can barely spell.

 

[nooternun]

Vtubing is more popular in Japan than the West. News at 11.

The English speaking population is 10x Japans and yet the views are half.

Miko has entire families watching her streams, as if she is an anime. Because she is, JP have their favorite "Hololive/vtuber anime" characters. The EN audience is silo'd in contrast. The legendary dragon statue, from the sportsfestival which most Holos were in, spans JP holofandoms and members talked about her often. Plenty JP still consider her their oshi yet are still in the box. I don't see EN fans or members doing similar things. Gigguk isn't stanning another vtuber, not even his wife nor KSON.Sana statue? So, random JP families watching vtubers vs. a popular EN content creator focused on JP animation no longer being interested in a vtuber after they changed names. Basically, EN is fickle and won't watch while JP are closer to ORCA supporting Rushia/Mike and Chole.

EN needs ORCA type fans that enjoy the medium. Instead it has flakes or drama mongers ripping potential fans from enjoying the free escapism of a live concert. It's not that vtubing is, "more popular in Japan than the West", as the West only cares about the character. Like if someone only ever watched Cowboy Bebop and then never watched another anime. Hololive is warm because talents watch and support other members.

EN fans are not that warm considering the amount of subs vs the CCV numbers. Calli should be hitting 100k

 

[Hff201]

I can't help but feel like these 'girlfailure' gimmick 2view types are trying to emulate the early initial lightning in a bottle success someone like Pippa specifically had, but in an extremely cynical and calculating way to attempt milking maximum shekels out of an audience.

My thoughtprocess is this: by a lot of people's metrics, someone like Pippa from a few years ago would probably be considered a 'girlfail'. The stories she would tell for a couple years there - barely eating, inconsistent hygiene, antisocial, paranoia bordering on schizophrenia, extreme anxiety, difficulty making friends, ants crawling around constantly in handcam streams, moldy shit - had the effect of very easily endearing people to her, rallying behind her and rooting for her. Especially after the footstream, the industry took notice of her, and a lot of people appear to have taken the wrong lessons from it.

These 2view 'girlfailure rawr x3 so quirky and schizo BASED!!!' freaks revel in being a 'girlfailure' as a substitute for personality, making it their literal one defining trait. They cater themselves exclusively, and knowingly, to an audience of people whom maintain an eternal crabbucket mentality, and directly, explicitly, also attempt sexually appealing to them in a way that horseshoes back around to literally just being actual whores ('but they're /here/ 4chan whores so they're based!!!' - probably what their viewers would say)

What these imitators fail to realize is that a big part of Pippa's initial lightning in a bottle is that the 'girlfailure' aspect was just part of who she actually was. Genuinely, and not part as a bit, or as a main drawingpoint. It was not something that was actively seriously reveled in, she knew she had problems and she even did streams specifically regarding attempting to remedy them. Nor was it her one personality trait. One of the greatest joys I've had in my time on the entire Internet is from being a longterm fan of her and seeing her slowly, genuinely improve her life. The Pippa now is way better off than she was even just a year and a half ago (before the rekindling w/ parents). Now she has friends, now she goes outside, now she talks to people, now there's no ants or mold. It is a very satisfying thing to see unfold, and I think this is one of the huge pivots between an actual 'girlfail' like Pippa and these 'girlfailure rawr x3 so quirky and based' ones: the real ones actually want to improve their lives and don't revel in it as an actual purposeful defining eternal trait or adhere to audience crabbucketing. And something's telling me that we'll never see someone like Elfinpsyop actually go through an arc such as this. I suppose I could be wrong, I do not watch her, but literally everything I've seen from her in bulletpoints on this forum gives me the impression that she has the surfacelevel 'girlfail' aesthetic while failing to have any of the actual sincerity.

I agree with this.

I think there is also an additional, unfortunate element at play: the crab-bucket audience will latch on to anyone who appears to be at a low point in life, whether sincere or insincere, meaning any attempts vtubers make to improve themselves and/or their situation are punished. Every single step Pippa has taken outside of her comfort zone has caused some kind of insane backlash, from the unicorns (that she has never intentionally courted) starting shit over her hanging out with her Mahjong friends, to the accusations of faking her personality/anxiety when she goes to cons, to the literally Nyanners shit when she fails to be their convenient political mouthpiece etc..

There's also a not-insignificant portion of the audience who genuinely do not give a single fuck about a streamers' wellbeing as long as they get content out of it. When Pippa started getting out of the house more there were far too many people who, instead of being happy for her, decided to take the "I don't want to fix her, whatever's wrong with her is hotter/funnier" meme literally and seemed intent on persuading her back to her old habits; and there were some loud voices in chat who decided the obviously unpleasant side-effects she experiences with Benadryl were so funny during that one stream they want to see it happen again. It's not even just Pippa/"girlfailures" who get this either; Tenma getting drunk and screaming at people makes for funny clips, but it's less funny when you realise she has a heart condition, and that shit is probably taking years off her life.

 

[thhrang]

There's also a not-insignificant portion of the audience who genuinely do not give a single fuck about a streamers' wellbeing as long as they get content out of it. When Pippa started getting out of the house more there were far too many people who, instead of being happy for her, decided to take the "I don't want to fix her, whatever's wrong with her is hotter/funnier" meme literally and seemed intent on persuading her back to her old habits

There have been a handful of times where these thoughts have actually been vocalized in my pippathread and I've had to seriously argue against them which has made me a bit MATI before. I genuinely don't know how a person could call themselves a fan of someone but want them eternally chained to an identity of squalor and self-inflicted continual pain "for content" (and likely also because they want her pulled back down to their level in the crabbucket). At that point you aren't a fan, you're just indistinguishable from the average IP2 hatewatching shitter viewer with no regard for anything but your own thrills.

 

[Security]

That Benadryl stream was pretty funny, though.

 

[RestlessRain]

There have been a handful of times where these thoughts have actually been vocalized in my pippathread and I've had to seriously argue against them which has made me a bit MATI before. I genuinely don't know how a person could call themselves a fan of someone but want them eternally chained to an identity of squalor and self-inflicted continual pain "for content" (and likely also because they want her pulled back down to their level in the crabbucket). At that point you aren't a fan, you're just indistinguishable from the average IP2 hatewatching shitter viewer with no regard for anything but your own thrills.

 

[Hff201]

There have been a handful of times where these thoughts have actually been vocalized in my pippathread and I've had to seriously argue against them which has made me a bit MATI before. I genuinely don't know how a person could call themselves a fan of someone but want them eternally chained to an identity of squalor and self-inflicted continual pain "for content" (and likely also because they want her pulled back down to their level in the crabbucket). At that point you aren't a fan, you're just indistinguishable from the average IP2 hatewatching shitter viewer with no regard for anything but your own thrills.

It's because people like this are not watching for entertainment, they are watching for validation. They attach themselves to specific online personalities because it justifies their own shortcomings to themselves, so when they see said online personalities actually get off their arse and make an effort to fix their shit, it makes them feel insecure.

They do not realise that "she's just like me fr fr" jokes are being made at their expense.