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[Void Scribas]

Also I guess this upcoming stream means that Kanna's one of them too now, but I actually like her so she gets a pass:

Kanna wait you SEISO-YABAI GAP is too powerful, our brains while not be able to handle it.

 

[NeneLOVE]

I always brought it back to sykkuno

What is the difference between a vtuber streams with their body vs a normie streamer who streams using a vtuber model.
Or how about cookieswirlc, she actually started content creation in ONLY her vtuber model for the past 4 years. Should she be qualified as the #1 biggest vtuber in the world.
What is your line between vtubers and not vtubers? People you like and people you don't like?

To quote a certain dignified, non-racist individual

My rationale in this matter is basically one of semantics:
To me "Vtubing" consists of two concepts, which are similar but not synonymous and often overlap.

On one side you have the "mechanical" aspect of Vtubing, which is to say, the model. This is what most people use as the definition "A Vtuber is a content creator that uses a virtual avatar" but I'd argue this definition only refers to the MEDIUM of vtubing, trying to lump anyone who uses an avatar together under "Vtubing" is like lumping all of animation together because it's "animation". It's just a shared content creation medium.

On the other side I'd argue there's a much more important "Cultural" aspect to Vtubing, which is to say, the customs, unspoken rules, industry standards, language, visuals, attitudes and beliefs held by the majority (but not all) of content creators which call themselves vtubers. I'd argue that being a vtuber is more than just the model, there's a sub-culture involved and people in this industry, even if subconsciously or through trends, do indeed follow it. It's the reason why people often measure a person's involvement with Vtubing on their knowledge of our unique culture, do they know famous agencies or vtubers? Do they know what live2D is and its differences to 3D? Do they understand the concepts of graduations, debuts, generations and other slang?

In my opinion a true vtuber needs both of these, if you're just using the model as a gimmick or are totally unrelated to the medium and just get shoehorned in because you "technically" count then what's even the point? That's why imo vtubing began with kizuna, because she, along with others of that time, are the root source of what makes vtubing what it is. There is a very clear before, when random guys on youtube played with facerig and pretended to be a talking burger and after, when it was clearly a japanese niche sub-culture combining anime with idols and later streaming.

While I do think the first definition is correct, it is hardly satisfactory and often imo plays into why outsiders are so incapable of wrapping their heads around what vtubing is and why people like it.

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

Finding out Iori does GFE is like finding out that the one gay guy at the beginning of Independence Day did GFE

 

[JusticeDog]

To me it's so weird people accepted this as normal so easily, Phase giving her the green light to basically whore herself out for members and no one finds this off-putting??

Big tits make people's brain turn off and accept it. Wake up, sheep, don't fall for the whore's bags.

 

[Kazuma]

Here is an archive of Cici's karaoke
【UNARCHIVED KARAOKE】SATURDAY SINGING with you!!-WHjcKRF4R_U
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Nimi playing RimWorld


Mint continuing Ground Zeroes

 

[All-Usernames]

Why does she sound exactly like Kiara?

You should get your ears checked

 

[RhoasJonas]

Jim Metokur

We he does have the same medical constitution as some of these chronically ill women.

 

[Lazybug]

Mono's birthday !

 

[Ginkgo Balboa 🌾🗡]

Mono's birthday !

 

[21st Century Pipkin Man]

And because we've learned how rampant samefagging is, this series of posts is also all the same person (that person is avgbirdenjoyer).

I thought it was obvious that these are all one schizo, but I assume it's the captcha guy, not avgbirdenjoyer. This is only like 20% of the posts exactly like these mentioning him.

 

[Kanna's Glowiest Assistant]

Nimi playing RimWorld

Lazuli yaps and sings some songs before taking a 1-week break

Oh, and she just posted her lore video too

 

[Svarog]

Alex playing Atomfall


Shima chatting.

 

[Azehara]

There is a handy chart
Vtuber you like fleshposts = she is just a silly billy who dindu nuthin
Vtuber you dont like fleshposts = SHE IS FOR THE STREETS, WHORE!

There are levels to the whoring. There are also vtubers you strictly follow for the whoring.

If someone like Amiya would start whoring herself that would probably be a huge NO.

I've gotten Giri in my twitch and youtube recommended from time to time in 2024, basically as she was slowly switching to RL streaming more and more often, and from my personal impression the content she wanted/wants to make just didn't really fit vtubing overall. Like cooking streams will fundamentally work better when you can see what the cook is doing around the kitchen, and she seems to do a lot of "zatsu while walking around" streams which are just impossible with a model.

Giri changed to IRL because she moved to JP and doing IRL content + possibly meeting up with other IRL content creators and streamers in Japan is easier than when you are a Vtuber.

The guy who made the initial document on her, AvgBirdEnjoyer is a schizo that tried to become her "caretaker" and his friend claims he had no ulterior motives for this. He apparently was a Boobro and similarly sent lots of money to both Yuko Yurei and to Elfin after Yuko was gone.

"Color me shocked" said no one.

The amount of simps on twitter defending Elfinslop and acting like she did nothing wrong is making me want to kill myself (in minecraft)

I am more willing to laugh at the pseudo groomers trying to fuck the e-thot than at the e-thot for playing them all like a fiddle and getting money out of them the same way I will laugh at the retards that buy shit at 10x the price from scalpers. Yes scalpers suck but they wouldn't exist if there weren't faggots willing to pay 10x the money.

Shima chatting.

Oh damn. Been a very long time since I have seen Shima around.

 

[TheOathbreakerTarvos]

Shiroi is playing Palworld

 

[Piava]

Here's a summary regarding Shondo's situation for those who are interested.
Edit: Well, after actually watching this, I noticed that this summary is kinda shitty, alot of important stuff wasn't included and a large portion of the Video is just her joking about stuff. But the first segment of the Video is pretty decent.

 

[Phantasm]

I am more willing to laugh at the pseudo groomers trying to fuck the e-thot than at the e-thot for playing them all like a fiddle and getting money out of them the same way I will laugh at the retards that buy shit at 10x the price from scalpers. Yes scalpers suck but they wouldn't exist if there weren't faggots willing to pay 10x the money.

The hell is a pseudo groomer either they are or they aren't you can't invent new shit just to defend the e-slut. Once or twice doing what she did is a mistake she did it six times in a year

 

[agility_]

Maybe a pseudo-groomer is someone pretending to groom victims on discord but never capitalizing on acquiring videos or photos? I don't freaking know.

 

[Azehara]

The hell is a pseudo groomer either they are or they aren't you can't invent new shit just to defend the e-slut. Once or twice doing what she did is a mistake she did it six times in a year

Maybe im wrong and having an ESL moment but I assumed grooming involved a minor. Since they are all adults, its not grooming but its the same type of behavior and they want to take advantage of a mentally unstable girlfailure. Also im not defending the e-slut im laughing at the faggots trying to fuck her who got burned for it. You seem awfully defensive. Where you part of the group by any chance?

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

This weird pseudo groomer convo is like saying "well obviously there was a demand for fentanyl good for the drug companies on shipping that shit out" lol

I mean to be fair Elfin will fuck you at least

 

[Phantasm]

Maybe im wrong and having an ESL moment but I assumed grooming involved a minor. Since they are all adults, its not grooming but its the same type of behavior and they want to take advantage of a mentally unstable girlfailure.

Every single person personally involved in this drama is mentally unstable

This weird pseudo groomer convo is like saying "well obviously there was a demand for fentanyl good for the drug companies on shipping that shit out" lol

I mean to be fair Elfin will fuck you at least

That's the thing these poor fucks didn't even get to have real sex it was all over vc