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"Untrained", in spite of both Lumi and Clara being trained singers
If you want to keep splitting hairs, I'd like to present you a song by someone with a BA in musical theater and a career in off-Broadway musical plays:
Having training in singing does not necessarily make you a good singer, nor does lacking formal training in singing necessarily make you a bad singer!
Unless it is an ID event, EN event, or at a good time for her (unlikely), she seems pretty content with dodging these lol
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At the risk of sounding like an enormously pretentious fag, 99% of vtubers are going to be singing pop or pop-adjacent music. Yes training helps, but we're not looking for a Luciano Pavarotti... for the vast majority of content a VTuber will sing training is completely unnecessary to sound good or perform well. There are several VTubers out there who do have formal voice training but who I'd never listen to over, say a Lumi.
Yes but many of those pop adjacent songs especially the popular ones pull from other genre's remember "City Pop Shark" or how about Recently. Cali's doing a cover of Otonoke because she's can do both rapping and pop singing she's one of the few actually prepped for Otonoke to be on everyone's mind and whip out a quick cover while the interest is fresh.
also were all pretentious fags that throw our thoughts out onto the web with the assumption of being right your fine.
Doesn't matter, every genre require same general training if you want to be good. There are many insanely difficult pop songs and insanely technical pop singers. Just listen to Michael Jackson and try to repeat.
Classical training more often than not gonna fuck you up and give a lot of bad habits. As it turns out, if you want to be universal singer, it's better to learn correct falsechord screaming first, then learn literally everything else including hitting the pitch. Point is, you learn maximally relaxed safe fallback position (scream) before constrained ones (clean voice), which gives you more control and stamina. Also extends range and prevents you from falling too much into unhealthy falsetto.
Good that you know what you are. Not that I disagree with you
Same tbh
You don't need classical training to sing Michael Jackson songs.. There are a lot of high difficulty pop song yes, but what you want is modern vocal training that is specifically designed for pop song and music of the 21st century. People can go through modern training way after their puberty as long as they are willing to (see hololive)
Imo classical training is good at "bending" people into a straight line. When everyone is using the same technique, the same notes, etc. they tend to sounds the same. As an enormous pretentious fag I think all opera singer sounds the same. You can't escape this even with modern training, but it's to a way less degree. Someone heavily trained in the techniques of the modern like Suisei can still retain their uniqueness.
But the less people are trained, the more unique they are and there is a sweet spot for a vtuber. You don't need heavy training.
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Suppose i should have mentioned specifically I mean more modern training. I love Classical but geezuz Christ for training singers it's way behind the times and a great way to do permanent damage to your voice .
Look I don't pretend to understand why the Japanese are like that, but it seems we agree that they are.
Right. Which is a companionship business (in terms of where Japan puts the line, even if it's not something a westerner would think of that way) and not a socially respectable career, is what I'm getting at.
There are all sorts of proofs out there... proof by induction, proof by contradiction, direct proof, etc... but I hereby posit a new type: proof by "well at least I don't agree with MerelyTourist."
I'll grant that having a wide base is definitely helpful but I legitimately don't know, does Cali have more voice training than Lumi/Clara? Obviously she learned to rap at some point but I don't listen to that genre at all, so from an outsider's perspective it doesn't seem like it would necessitate any more training than other types of music.
This might be where my misunderstanding came from, when I read that someone is "trained" musically I automatically interpret that as "classically trained." Again though if we're talking about any general vocal training I would have to assume people that want to sing seriously (in the case of the debated example, Lumi or Clara) would probably be in lessons of some sort.
There are definitely pop singers that have extensive training and can use that to elevate their music, but I absolutely disagree that things are genre independent. The average person off the street will be able to sing some genres significantly better than others on average. Accordingly, I would put more faith in a randomly selected opera singer (of a quality where they are able to do it for their livelihood) to be able to sing any random pop song, than I would a randomly selected pop singer (again, of quality where they do it for their livelihood) to be able to sing a random opera song. It's just like how there are people who are trained to play classical piano, cello, or whatever instrument you'd like to pick that use their background to elevate pop-style music, but there are plenty of people who play those instruments in pop groups with no training. There's no way I'd trust a pop-only pianist to play a Rachmaninoff or a Bach concerto, but I'd absolutely bet a classically trained pianist could play the piano part to any pop song. Notable exception for jazz here, jazz (at least the instrumentals) tends to be it's own beast.
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RK Music's Yono singing Yorushika songs at 7PM JST.
She also released a cover song on the weekend.
VSpo's Tachibana Hinano laughing at clips.
Akarin made her laugh the most.
She also released a cover song on the weekend.
VSpo's Tachibana Hinano laughing at clips.
Akarin made her laugh the most.
This one has not streamed for 5.5 years.
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The Towl's brief return to streaming with Cecilia was pretty nice. Glad to see that her suicopathic side hasn't even dulled a bit over her break.
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