General Thread v3: The Hexagone

[God's Strongest Wardog]

Seriously, I just finished it and said this to my brothers (no specific spoilers, but complaints about the overall everything):

Spoiler

That kinda sucked. S1 was all about the characters and their motivations and their emotions and yadda yadda. Vander trying to protect his kids, Powder trying to help (and failing constantly), Silco trying to elevate Zaun to be equals with Piltover but not being willing to give up Jinx as his daughter in order to do it, Jayce's and Viktors ambition, etc.
And this was just kinda like everyone doing random stuff and random junk happening woosh woosh with hardly any rhyme or reason to it.
Much more of a 'make it up as you go along' feeling, like an 8 year old telling a story; "and then this happened and then this happened and then this and then and then they did that and then they..." but it doesn't really make much sense.

They did my girl Jinx dirty.

 

[Sankisei]

Seriously, I just finished it and said this to my brothers (no specific spoilers, but complaints about the overall everything):

Spoiler

That kinda sucked. S1 was all about the characters and their motivations and their emotions and yadda yadda. Vander trying to protect his kids, Powder trying to help (and failing constantly), Silco trying to elevate Zaun to be equals with Piltover but not being willing to give up Jinx as his daughter in order to do it, Jayce's and Viktors ambition, etc.
And this was just kinda like everyone doing random stuff and random junk happening woosh woosh with hardly any rhyme or reason to it.
Much more of a 'make it up as you go along' feeling, like an 8 year old telling a story; "and then this happened and then this happened and then this and then and then they did that and then they..." but it doesn't really make much sense.

Singed didnt use his E and did the funny laugh

(I agree that everything was rushed)

 

[bothyourhouses]

Until we see legal papers, she has no "right" or legality in any situation.

Lol what? Unless it's an incredibly retarded filian situation, she owns the copyright on her design (you don't need to file anything for that, you could literally scribble something on a piece of paper right now and guess what you own the copyright on that doodle) and if she wanted to really be a bitch about it she could already go after the plushie maker for statutory damages.
I don't think the community would support that, and even after lawyering up and getting a court judgement I don't know that it would be practical to collect, but legally she's 100% in the right here. Just because some Japanese companies have a tradition of tolerance doesn't mean that's binding on other people around the world.

 

[RestlessRain]

Until we see legal papers, she has no "right" or legality in any situation. If I want to create art of her borderline femboy self getting fucked I'm in my right to because she has no legal say so and it would just be morally right for me to not do so. If she wants to integrate outside of her discord hugbox, she has to follow the community "rules", and rules dictate vtubers tend to get fanart, fan merch and even fan creations like animations usually without permission and they usually make money on it, but it circles around to you being more known and sought after.

This seems to be a common misconception, since it's so widespread and normalized in the vtubing community. I'm not a lawyer, I'm certainly not a copyright lawyer. I'm just a layman trying to understand copyright laws. However, I'm going to do my best to outline the situation as I understand it. If someone else is more informed on copyright law, they're more than welcome to correct me.

• Nearly all countries are part of the Berne Convention. This agreement dictates how copyright, aka ownership of art that an artist creates, is treated in any country that's part of the Berne Agreement (Wikipedia link for a simple summary)
• As a flip, Gumpai is part of the Berne Agreement. It's extremely likely you're probably part of the Berne agreement too, and so are nearly all the other people on this forum.
• While I can't say what sort of right Gumpai has over the drawing of her character itself, or its rigging (that would be between her and her artist and rigger) she definitely has rights regarding everything else about the character - voice, behaviour, personality, stories involving that character, and so forth.
• Protection for a work exists the moment it is written or recorded. You don't need to apply for paperwork for that work to get copyright. The fact that her streams are recorded by her is enough for her to have copyright and for her to have the rights associated with having copyright
• Among the rights as someone who has created a piece of art is "moral rights", you have the right to object to someone mutilating or deforming your work in a way that impugns the author. If you want to draw lewds of Gumpai, Gumpai could legally object to it based on you impugning her character
• You also have the right for how your work is adaptated and arranged. I think this is the part of copyright law where fanart is technically illegal, but this is something not enforced because it's bad press and because fanart helps drive interest in a property. But if an copyright holder wanted to clamp down on fanart, I do believe they are well within their rights to do so.

As I said before, though, this is a layman's understanding of copyright. Someone feel free to correct me.

 

[CalciumAnimal]

Controversial take time: Gumpai has some right to say how her IP gets used. If she doesn't want bootleg merch that she doesn't get any money from, she should be able to say she doesn't want it, and she should be able to post on social media that she doesn't want it. I don't feel like that's brigading.

Of course, this is a retarded position for her to take, and goes against all social norms in the vtubing community, but she does have some legal basis to dictate how her IP is used.

What I said has nothing to do with that beyond Don't say something retarded and then refuse to apologize which is giving the green light to RETARDS to continue their harassment campaign.

she's not stupid enough to not be aware of this.

 

[Bronze]

He May return

 

[RestlessRain]

 

[The Peanut Gallery]

Morning cyclops

 

[Stunned But Dumb]

I just don't understand the point. Is this a demo or am I stupid? Am I missing something?

 

[bothyourhouses]

If you want to draw lewds of Gumpai, Gumpai could legally object to it based on you impugning her character

I don't think that's the case in all jurisdictions - the point of the minimal moral rights in the Berne convention is that you can't defame the author by mutilating their work and passing it off as the original work (e.g. adding a bunch of slurs to a novel or something, and leaving the original author's name on the cover). But of course your unauthorised fanart would still be copyright infringement.
The rest sounded spot on to me.

 

[Zyklon Mag]

Proctor edit: Google drive of archives here.

I’d like to think Gumpai is a special kind of menhera.

Spoiler: Screenshots

Kusa’s tweets:

Pippa and Lumi Angler reactions:
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Gumpai’s response:


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Every other vtuber knows about fanmerch, knows they don't get a cut but is absolutely delighted to find out it exists. Some of them even intentionally buy it just to have as a symbol of their fans appreciating them. Fanmerch has to be even rarer for non corpo vtubers that aren't Doki.

And here we have this bitch complaining because she isn't getting paid. I'm sure this will encourage people to make more fanstuff of you, worthless whore.

Also as a side note, LPT_kusa is genuinely very sweet and talented. I have no clue how he manages to get the hair to curl in these cute loops, how he keeps the dress skirt poofy and all the other shit he does. My gal even has a detachable accessory on her

 

[Cubanodun]

My take about the Gumpail deal is that because we are operating with japanese mentality here, people outright assume and allow fan merch because is a good way to get promoted, just look at Kusa twitter with people yearning for someone to ask for plushies of them, the problem with the Gumpai case is that even if she was 100% on her right, demanding the plushies to sell it herself while shilling her Uwumarket was the worst move she could do, not only she burned all goodwill but also deterred everyone to even bother to do something for her that doesnt involve giving her money to watch her ass on the discord

She has become the DSP of whores basically, thank god she is exiled on Kick where she can be irrelevant and fade

 

[BioBreak]

Me waking up to the umpteenth page of the Gumpai bullshit:

 

[frz]

Batch of flow glow clips

Su: 15-6=6
Vivi: this why they call you EN?
Su: ok but you are retarded
Vivi: ok but... Actually that's true im retarded


Riona revealed she is a lulknight. Idk how anyone look at Luna as the paragon of rapping but here we are.


Team hentai gentlemant confuses Subaru. Chihaya once again offering to strip for Subaru.

 

[agility_]

Me waking up to the umpteenth page of the Gumpai bullshit:

Quick! Somebody post the latest biboo clip or how Nerissa is so gay you guys totally!

 

[Abomination]

The only thing I've learned from this is that people give a fuck about plushies lol

Yeah. I do. I give a fuck that mine are still being held hostage by the Canadian Postal service.

 

[Sky Shouter]

Creeping on Menace's PL account isn't how I expected to find out Chris Chan will birth the Antichrist in the coming months but here we are



In less horrifying news, Eva Ananova just revealed she works IT in a dentist's office and she's having a real hard time



For a digital oni she's really bad with digital things

 

[Shuba]

Team hentai gentlemant confuses Subaru. Chihaya once again offering to strip for Subaru.

Man, it was a goddamn struggle trying to distinguish which FLOW GLOW woman was talking for most of that. I already have a hearing debuff, the joke they were running made them all sound like Ao from the streets, and then Subaru and Miko were talking/laughing at max volume over them. I've gone over it so many times now, but there's still 2-3 lines where I'm not exactly sure if it was Niko or Chihaya talking.

It was a fun time though. Subaru almost never talks with new talents this soon and prefers to let them do their own thing for a while. Like iirc she didn't talk to anyone in ReGLOSS or Advent/Justice for months (other than when Liz popped in her stream for a bit), so it was nice to see her and Miko chat with FLOW GLOW like this so quick.

 

[Seth]

Man Biboo sure is cool.


Man look at this sick animation haha Nerissa is so gay!!


Everyone is so gay!!!


Even the cool biboo is so gay wooooow

 

[BioBreak]

Creeping on Menace's PL account isn't how I expected to find out Chris Chan will birth the Antichrist in the coming months but here we are



In less horrifying news, Eva Ananova just revealed she works IT in a dentist's office and she's having a real hard time



For a digital oni she's really bad with digital things

For what it's worth, almost all kinds of proprietary software used across the healthcare/dental industry for patient/clinical/billing/admin management are plagued by varying degrees of confusion and inefficiency. These systems are often poorly designed, creating unnecessary complexities that hinder productivity and frustrate users rather than streamlining processes.