General Thread v3: The Hexagone

[Dawifet]

 

[Unseiso Dragon]

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>"子" is usually used for people of younger age
>Michiru refers to Shiina, a known hag, as "子"
>Michiru is a hag supreme confirmed

 

[Superduper Samurai]

Easy escape, just tell her to guess where you live or chuck an autistic hobby like train or flight sims at her

 

[BlueSharkTV]

Kronii soon.

 

[Salado]

>"子" is usually used for people of younger age
>Michiru refers to Shiina, a known hag, as "子"
>Michiru is a hag supreme confirmed

Hag LOVE

 

[Aquatic Novellite]

There's still four entire days before 2024 ends for Phase to become the last company of the year to have a catastrophic meltdown.

And I bet you'll sleep for a full eight hours or more on every single one of those days.

You bastard.

 

[ValkyrieAce]

Time for the comfiest shit ever.

 

[El Rrata]

Time for the comfiest shit ever.

Until the crying starts.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Shiina, a known hag

IIRC she's not a True Hag yet, just one in spirit who's not too far off from hitting the big 3.

 

[Horo7618]

Mint is away on vacation.....

24/7 Mint karaoke reruns!

 

[Negzana]

Time for the comfiest shit ever.

Fauna was one of my favorite ENs through her interactions with Watame, she also had my favorite sense of humor. This graduation is going to hit hard.

 

[Helkar]

>"子" is usually used for people of younger age
>Michiru refers to Shiina, a known hag, as "子"
>Michiru is a hag supreme confirmed

Isn't Shiina in her late-20s?
And there's nothing known about Michi's age if i recall, so yeah she might actually be the Hag Prime other talents have mentioned.

 

[agility_]

I thought Shiina was at the very least in her mid-30s. Although I never bothered to crosscheck this with zatsudan information bits.

 

[bothyourhouses]

The guy who cited the example of Mario and his VA for 20+ years is closer to the mark - it doesn't matter how much his voicework contributed to the growth of the character - he doesn't have any ownership of it. You can make the same argument for vtubers and the "talents" behind them - they're all either employees and/or contractors hired by the company to voice/operate the company's IPs

The law doesn't really recognise "an IP", it recognises various specific fixed (i.e. recorded) creative expressions. E.g. the character designer's artwork is a creative expression, which comes with both copyright (very likely owned by the corp) and moral rights (which cannot be sold or transferred). So the corp controls how that artwork is used, but the original designer still gets credited for it.
Voicing generally isn't afforded much protection. But writing is, and livestreaming-era vtubers create a lot of their characters' lore on the fly, and that's something they would definitely own the moral rights to. Someone doing Kizuna Ai style pre-recorded skits using someone else's script wouldn't own anything any more than Martinet does, but with today's streamers it's a lot less clear.
The corpo-friendly precedent would be something like Disney mascot characters, who ad lib live. But Disney is very careful to not record those performances and not allow the performers to contribute anything back to their characters' canon - so while those people may own their own performances, they don't own anything that Disney uses and there's no way to claim that Disney is infringing on their rights. It's quite different for vtubers.

to say they have ownership over their character's name is a step too far, imo. The VTubers may be playing the character, but the companies are the ones that boosted their names through advertising, sponsorships, merchandise, etc.

In principle I agree, but it's a situation that the company has brought on themselves by not properly crediting the talent, so I'm not going to feel particularly bad for them.

Again (and as per another reply) the talent wouldn't own "the character". They'd own that stage name. Things like character designs and song recordings would still be owned by the company. It would probably be impossible to produce any content with that character if the company and the talent could not come to any agreement, but that's already pretty much the case nowadays in practice if not in theory.

 

[The Peanut Gallery]

TSA caught our fish

Archive

 

[ponwolf]

I thought Shiina was at the very least in her mid-30s. Although I never bothered to crosscheck this with zatsudan information bits.

If we had to go off old information, she’s in her late 20s, similar in age to ember and Lumi.

Michiru being the supreme hag of phase makes sense based on what Airi claimed that “one of Gen 1 was older than her” and we knew it had to be a jp based off surrounding info

 

[RestlessRain]

True but it cuts both ways. Other than, like, Sony, vtuber companies suing ex talents would be a big risk and cost a lot of money even if they win.

Sure, a company suing over copyright will have to spend a lot of money, and has to worry about public opinion, but there's a difference in a corporation having to pay for a lawsuit, and a single individual having to pay for a lawsuit. Very few vtubers are even financially stable, never mind having the spare money to fund an international copyright lawsuit that will last for years and take significant time of a talent that they could be using far more productively, including making money streaming or doing ancillary activities. that will help them make money in the future

 

[NotDecatto]

Mint has a very important message to you:

 

[Unseiso Dragon]

Michiru being the supreme hag of phase makes sense based on what Airi claimed that “one of Gen 1 was older than her” and we knew it had to be a jp based off surrounding info

TBH I thought that would be Iori, if my shitpost actually is true I may die laughing.

 

[RestlessRain]

Mint has a very important message to you:

The ghost of Shinzo Abe would not approve of this.