General Thread v3: The Hexagone

[bothyourhouses]

I'm not sure what actually changes here if someone still has the name they performed with but entirely different social media accounts and a model legally-distinct from what they had with a company before leaving.

Being able to publicly announce who you were and have magazines etc. talk about it would be huge, if only for the talents' confidence when moving on.

We're viewing all this from a chuuba perspective but we're likely more niche case and with corpos likely being more assertive about retaining ownership of vtuber names and models/likeness.

It's aimed at talent agencies and entertainment companies who take ownership of their talents' stage names, which is a real problem, but it will work for vtubers too.

Yeah, this thing is basically completely worthless for vtubers unless it overrides their NDA.

Of course it will override any contracts, that's the point of having laws like this. The Japanese legal system is dumb but not that dumb.

companies might want to start arguing copyright in court, which is a very expensive and time-consuming legal battle that you're going to lose even if you win.

True but it cuts both ways. Other than, like, Sony, vtuber companies suing ex talents would be a big risk and cost a lot of money even if they win.

ruling that corpo chuubas can keep their name after they leave would be dumb as fuck and sounds like it would cause all kinds of legal nightmares

If the result is forcing the talent to be credited under a name they own (not necessarily their real name) then I'm all for it. Corpos don't recast departed talents either so there's not really any loss. As I've said before, something like the Takarazuka Revue openly credits their performers under their real names and it doesn't break the immersion or cause any problems.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

After like 3 hours of figuring out what she wants to play Muyu has settled on Metro 2033, she's a scaredy cat so even something as tame as Metro will probably spook her, should be fun.

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Thursday curse continues and Airi is going to miss tonights collab.

I cant believe Sakana accidentaly DMed Airi with ERP messages meant for Dizzy

 

[Salado]

Well, fuck...

Uruka, this doesn't work when your coworkers vagueposted before...

 

[BioBreak]

It's aimed at talent agencies and entertainment companies who take ownership of their talents' stage names, which is a real problem, but it will work for vtubers too.

I highly doubt it given that the prevailing practice is that vtubers and their names/likeness are the intellectual property solely owned by the corpos that commissioned for their creation in the first place. I'd say the only contention for ownership, if any, would be the vtuber mamas(artist)/papas(rigger) but these folks are usually contracted to forego any ownership of the characters when they're contracted to create them. The guy who cited the example of Mario and his VA for 20+ years is closer to the mark - it doesn't matter how much his voicework contributed to the growth of the character - he doesn't have any ownership of it. You can make the same argument for vtubers and the "talents" behind them - they're all either employees and/or contractors hired by the company to voice/operate the company's IPs. There are instances where these characters and designs are usually already finished by the time the talent for it is hired.

Think of it as you being an employee being handed a company-issued laptop and/or phone - the company retains ownership of that laptop/phone for the duration of your employment and you are usually required to surrender those company assets upon leaving or termination. Your vtuber character (which the corpo commissioned someone else to create) falls under the same rules of ownership.

The only slim argument I can see is if you as the talent were involved in the creative input/process in creating your vtuber design - but that would solely depend on how airtight the fineprint and contract of the corpo is - though I would even argue that it falls under the same category as "company retains ownership of any project or work done while on company time and with the use of company assets".

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

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Uruka, this doesn't work when your coworkers vagueposted before...

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OH MY GOD BRAVE JUST BOUGHT PHASE AFTER FINALIZING THE PIXELINK TAKEOVEE

 

[Limkin]

They can always agree on crediting your work on voicing a vtuber. With full legal name, just like the regular voice actors. I am sure it will go great in the community and everyone will take this offer

 

[electronic elephant]

Ina live.

 

[sbm]

To be honest, ruling that corpo chuubas can keep their name after they leave would be dumb as fuck and sounds like it would cause all kinds of legal nightmares. I know it is kinda different, but that would be like saying Charles Martinet owned the Mario name because he voiced him for 25 years, but couldn't use the design. I get VTubers are more than just a voice for a character, but splitting up the IP in such a weird way is just retarded. If I were a chuuba, I would rather just change my name and make a visually similar design after leaving a corpo job, like many seem to do.

What I think the recommendation is trying to say is that agencies shouldn't have ownership of stage names. I don't think it can be extended to apply to characters. For example if an actress had a stage name, but they also VAed some anime character, then when they left the agency they would keep their stage name but not any rights to the characters they voiced.

Vtubers in their current anonymously-voiced very much blur the line here and because they blur the line I'm certain the commission wasn't thinking about them at all. I could see agencies starting to credit names for vtuber voice work, if only to avoid needing to fight the battle against a talent that a vtuber persona was a stage name rather than a character. I think the agency would likely win that argument but it's not a battle they'd want to fight in public, nor a completely sure thing.

 

[The Proctor]

OH MY GOD BRAVE JUST BOUGHT PHASE AFTER FINALIZING THE PIXELINK TAKEOVEE

There's still four entire days before 2024 ends for Phase to become the last company of the year to have a catastrophic meltdown.

 

[Horo7618]

I highly doubt it given that the prevailing practice is that vtubers and their names/likeness are the intellectual property solely owned by the corpos that commissioned for their creation in the first place.

This may be a moral rights issue rather than an ownership one - that's a concept that barely exists in US copyright law but is much stronger in other jurisdictions. Moral rights don't give ownership but grant a creator the right to be identified as such - if you applied that to stage names I guess it would basically allow the talent to say "I used to voice character X" and the corp couldn't prevent that.....

 

[Abomination]

There's still four entire days before 2024 ends for Phase to become the last company of the year to have a catastrophic meltdown.

Thank God my merch left the warehouse before Airi drives up to Canada to burn it down.

 

[Smelliest007]

There's still four entire days before 2024 ends for Phase to become the last company of the year to have a catastrophic meltdown.

Why can't you sleep forever?

 

[Tamokii]

There's still four entire days before 2024 ends for Phase to become the last company of the year to have a catastrophic meltdown.

Maybe a quick nap won't activate your curse. Give it a try and we'll let you know how things go.

 

[Scoots]

Well, fuck...

Aaaaw how nice they postponed for Airi a curse upon the wretch who pissed off the PonWolf

 

[Lurker McSpic]

Well, fuck...

Could this be a sponsored stream and someone at phase fucked up the sponsorship in some way? Either way I blame Rie and Clara.

Uruka, this doesn't work when your coworkers vagueposted before...

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Fishman got her pregnant and now everyone at the company is on full mutiny. It was a good run.

 

[Helkar]

Clara was so devastated over the collab cancellation that she went on to play League.

 

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[El Rrata]

What I think the recommendation is trying to say is that agencies shouldn't have ownership of stage names. I don't think it can be extended to apply to characters. For example if an actress had a stage name, but they also VAed some anime character, then when they left the agency they would keep their stage name but not any rights to the characters they voiced.

Vtubers in their current anonymously-voiced very much blur the line here and because they blur the line I'm certain the commission wasn't thinking about them at all. I could see agencies starting to credit names for vtuber voice work, if only to avoid needing to fight the battle against a talent that a vtuber persona was a stage name rather than a character. I think the agency would likely win that argument but it's not a battle they'd want to fight in public, nor a completely sure thing.

That is how it seemed they were arguing it to me, too, but I still don't think it makes sense. Even if they want to argue it is a stage name, I don't think they have a point. Like, it is one thing if they want to say "hey, you can't stop them from directly referencing and speaking their past identity in your company by name, NDA or not." But to say they have ownership over their character's name is a step too far, imo. The VTubers may be playing the character, but the companies are the ones that boosted their names through advertising, sponsorships, merchandise, etc.

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