General Thread v3: The Hexagone

[Ｍｕｒｒａｙしないで]

The two that gave him Black & Decker really don't like him. Especially the used one.

The used one is the one he already owned, not a gift.

But please. Continue your power tool brand autism in this space.

 

[Clown Penis]

HOLD THE FUCK UP!!!!! Are you telling me people would be so fucking autistic to not understand a bit? That's fucking insane, that never happens ever!!!! not even in this place like multiple times.

Lurker McSpic you dumb bitch!

 

[Aquatic Novellite]

Sorry to break it to you but "子" often means "Tiny", even more so when used with "Kawaii" rather than "Younger" (appearances vs age)
e.g People much younger than biboo would still call biboo "子" for example, because she's tiny as shit. Fuwamoco will also qualify, they are much bigger than Biboo, but they are cute/mentally stunted.

One of you two is an actual jap making a funny, the other MTLs clips.

Hmm.

 

[Egg the Boiled]

He always gave me fag vibes. Probably applied to be a homostar and got denied.

I like some of his streams, and I like Holostars. What would Holo possibly offer a man who makes gadgets designed to deafen children or eats steak smoked with cigarettes? There's no way he applied to become an idol.

He's either being a tourist, seeing as he's barely a vtuber as is, or he's baiting people. Maybe both.

 

[Scoots]

How it started


How it's going


Archive

Shondo's cameo she alluded to

Timestamp 5 min

Mint has a very important message to you:

We are witnessing a woman at the end of her rope

My PC stackable plushies arrived today

So did mine... And I'm 3 hours away at my grandparent's fingers crossed I don't have porch pirates in the neighborhood I won't be back till Saturday. Fuck me

 

[BioBreak]

He's either being a tourist, seeing as he's barely a vtuber as is, or he's baiting people. Maybe both.

It's "indie-png-peasant-seething-at-corpo"-o'clock. Y'all should be used to it by now.

 

[El Rrata]

He's either being a tourist

It's this one.

Made me interested and watched the guy. All in all, It's actually the opposite. The list seems alright and he actually sounded very knowledgable despite only consuming vtubers through youtube clips, I'd say he even knows more than I do simply because he knows about some of the stars and I dont. The N word thing was from chat. He later moved her down to B.

Final ranking:

Conclusion: Hates GFE content, doesn't like japanese music, and only rating highly the funny/innovative ones.

Streamer name: uwu_to_owo

Spoiler: Summary of his ranking

- suisei bumped to B-tier because suipiss
- Ayama bumped to C because she hates koreans
- God: got him into the hole through the bandage video
- Fubuki: got him into muse dash, knows about chinese drama
- F tier: Can't stand Luna/Ollie/Kiara's voice, also knows about Orange woman moments, saw Aki's having an orange woman moment about her stream numbers which offended him as a 2-view streamer.
- Coco: doesnt actually like her, hated reddit meme review, bumped to B because acknowledging her influence
- Hated pink woman at first, but now loving her as the entire industry tries to copy each other and she stays alone as someone who doesn't give a shit.
- Edit: added due confusion, his A is good, B is mid-meh, C is shit, D is doesnt care about them, F is personal vendetta.

TL;DR he acts like a bitter bitch because they are more popular than him.

 

[RestlessRain]

It's this one.

TL;DR he acts like a bitter bitch because they are more popular than him.

Post has a picture of Uwoslab with a Hololive talent tierlist, a bunch of talents are at S-Tier, Korone above S-Tier, and a bunch more at A, B, and C-tier.

Conclusion: "He's a bitter bitch and he HATES HOLOLIVE."

Lol, okay then.

 

[MerelyTourist]

Spoiler: MUCHO AUTISMO

Interesting, but the character model and social media accounts will still be the property of the company, which is what a talent also really wants. I'm not sure what actually changes here if someone still has the name they performed with but entirely different social media accounts and a model legally-distinct from what they had with a company before leaving.

Name is easy part, but jap copyrights are really fun and have more concepts than international convention. Niji's "we have to ask retirees for permission to use the characters" seems dumb (and it kinda is) but it stems from overcaution. There is no litigation precedent yet, but i won't be surprised if jap courts gonna rule that character likeness largely belong to streamer as well.
I wonder how registered trademark aspect gonna factor in it all though.

Yes, but this is only an opinion of/study by the JFTC so far.

The study is broadly about the JP entertainment industry though, no? I think most of the salient points in the translated table are more generally targeted towards the idol industry given how it being so rife with abusive and unfair treatment of talent is pretty much an open-secret at this point. We're viewing all this from a chuuba perspective but we're likely more niche case and with corpos likely being more assertive about retaining ownership of vtuber names and models/likeness.

Yep, but there is precedent court ruling which holds quite a lot of weight. Vtuber aspect of it is much significant i think. But again, trademarks...

Yeah, this thing is basically completely worthless for vtubers unless it overrides their NDA.

It does override single aspect of their NDA. Which doesn't prevent corpos from filing shitty losing lawsuits until we have actual legislation, especially overseas.

It'd be funny but both doki and mint are bigger than their old persona at this point, it make no sense to give out thousands of dollars to riggers and designers for nothing but shit and giggles. I also believe most people who has left long enough at this point are too well bonded with their post-corpo persona to give it up.

Some 2-view who struggle post corpo life might make the move, like a certain faggôt. You know who I'm talking about.
Mikeneko will 100% commission a 4th vtuber model out of nothing but menhera and streams on rushia as a separate personality from her mikeneko, 910 inc and nazuna. All of them at the same time. But most other wouldn't.

Once this is coming into effect, and I thinking it highly will. The biggest beneficiary of this new policy will be the CURRENT corpo talent/livers. Without non-competes and that they can legally keep their old name, more will be able to make the jump from Corpo to Indie. Someone can just cook up a new model, wait til it finish and contract runs out and debut the next day under the same name after leaving, similar to what Sakura Aoi did, but this time you can keep the name and fanbase.

Current corpos will have to offer more incentives for talents to stay, now that leaving is much easier. Even if they don't leave the corpo, they should enjoy more benefits and perks compared to before this. (except for nijisanji noone can take away Riku's yacht money)

Even for 2views with no PL to speak of, it won't be smart decision to continue using the name. There is the law, and there is industry etiquette, and latter has proven to hold much more weight in vtubing. Real win is they will be able to state their PL openly without stupid wink-wink games.

In the thread below OP points out the difference, where for anime they have the VA separate from the character, so the company/producer keep the character for themselves while the VA owns their voice and recognition.
If this get to pass it can make a huge shift in the market, where vtubers hold more power and will be able to jump ship immediately the moment a corpo starts shit OR big names like Niji and Holo will draw new contracts to go around the new laws or note the person behind the avatar just like the seiyuu industry does, even if it's a pseudonym (M.A.O comes to mind), which would be pretty weird considering how adamant the vtuber fandom is against skinwalking models.

I highly doubt it given that the prevailing practice is that vtubers and their names/likeness are the intellectual property solely owned by the corpos that commissioned for their creation in the first place. I'd say the only contention for ownership, if any, would be the vtuber mamas(artist)/papas(rigger) but these folks are usually contracted to forego any ownership of the characters when they're contracted to create them. The guy who cited the example of Mario and his VA for 20+ years is closer to the mark - it doesn't matter how much his voicework contributed to the growth of the character - he doesn't have any ownership of it. You can make the same argument for vtubers and the "talents" behind them - they're all either employees and/or contractors hired by the company to voice/operate the company's IPs. There are instances where these characters and designs are usually already finished by the time the talent for it is hired.

Think of it as you being an employee being handed a company-issued laptop and/or phone - the company retains ownership of that laptop/phone for the duration of your employment and you are usually required to surrender those company assets upon leaving or termination. Your vtuber character (which the corpo commissioned someone else to create) falls under the same rules of ownership.

The only slim argument I can see is if you as the talent were involved in the creative input/process in creating your vtuber design - but that would solely depend on how airtight the fineprint and contract of the corpo is - though I would even argue that it falls under the same category as "company retains ownership of any project or work done while on company time and with the use of company assets".

Difference is, vtubers are also original authors, thus under JP law hold pretty much full copyright to all streams regardless of contract terms.

Speaking of Uwoslab, on an entirely unrelated matter:

This is sufficient amount of drills for comfortable work.

 

[Simp]

Post has a picture of Uwoslab with a Hololive talent tierlist, a bunch of talents are at S-Tier, Korone above S-Tier, and a bunch more at A, B, and C-tier.

Conclusion: "He's a bitter bitch and he HATES HOLOLIVE."

Lol, okay then.

He has Kiara in F so he is a shithead to me.

 

[Aquatic Novellite]

>arguing about tierlists

https://www.reddit.com/

 

[frz]

>arguing about tierlists

https://www.reddit.com/

Was you not here when nenelove started a 10 page war about tierlist
Also rip nenelove.

Spoiler: MUCHO AUTISMO

Name is easy part, but jap copyrights are really fun and have more concepts than international convention. Niji's "we have to ask retirees for permission to use the characters" seems dumb (and it kinda is) but it stems from overcaution. There is no litigation precedent yet, but i won't be surprised if jap courts gonna rule that character likeness largely belong to streamer as well.
I wonder how registered trademark aspect gonna factor in it all though.



Yep, but there is precedent court ruling which holds quite a lot of weight. Vtuber aspect of it is much significant i think. But again, trademarks...


It does override single aspect of their NDA. Which doesn't prevent corpos from filing shitty losing lawsuits until we have actual legislation, especially overseas.


Even for 2views with no PL to speak of, it won't be smart decision to continue using the name. There is the law, and there is industry etiquette, and latter has proven to hold much more weight in vtubing. Real win is they will be able to state their PL openly without stupid wink-wink games.


Difference is, vtubers are also original authors, thus under JP law hold pretty much full copyright to all streams regardless of contract terms.

This is sufficient amount of drills for comfortable work.

Thank you for putting it in spoiler it means I don't have to read it.

 

[Azehara]

Isn't Shiina in her late-20s?
And there's nothing known about Michi's age if i recall, so yeah she might actually be the Hag Prime other talents have mentioned.

Mid 30's

 

[Helkar]

Mid 30's

Didn't Shiina say that Airi's older than her?
And with Airi we actually know for sure that she turned 31 this year.

 

[tarkanoltr]

2 hags, 1 girl failure and a mascot walk into a bar

 

[kushami tasukaru]

Varium's Siden Lime revealing her new outfit scrolling upwards with the number of likes she's getting. 690 likes to show the entire body.


RK Music's XIDEN is singing.


Another one seeking love, this time it's VSpo's Ichinose Uruha.

I hope you can handle dirty rooms or are good at cleaning.
Also R Subs actually has been clipping for three years and posted a heartfelt community post.

Post from R Subs

Thanks for 3 years! Started uploading more consistently this past month as I finally settled down in my new place, hopefully I can keep this going… And as I ...

www.youtube.com

Apparently Arya knows VSpo from this channel before becoming a VSpo EN member herself. Also there are comments about not reducing Vtubers to only behaviour from clips and personal thoughts on PL.

Before she started singing the Sound Horizon songs yesterday she mentioned "You Pioneers had it rough yesterday". Of course since the theme is Elysion she dragged them to Abyss. Interesting a lot already know the twist but seeing some in chat came to the realisation was amusing.

 

[Bob from accounting]

Had to check the date to make sure I hadn't timelooped, it's not the first time uwolab has had a dumbass opinion on the holo talents, recall that his thoughts on Aki is really all you need to know about his actual thoughts on anyone who might struggle in a corpo. Guy is an ass, simple as. You can say he's just doing a bit, and trying to troll but that'd still make him a fucking idiot for shit talking a corpo with a fanbase that at one point managed to sign up chinese anti's into the CCP's army.
Struggling artist cries that only INDIES can know suffering, fuck um.

 

[RestlessRain]

You can also have the most Uruka-core moment ever (accidental lesbianism with extra steps).

 

[VSoyBoy]

I'm almost half an hour late, but Maria Marionette's 3D reveal is currently happening.

 

[agility_]

HOLD THE FUCK UP!!!!! Are you telling me people would be so fucking autistic to not understand a bit? That's fucking insane, that never happens ever!!!! not even in this place like multiple times.

Let me introduce you to "The HoloEN Fan".