General Thread v2: Enhanced Segregation Techniques!

[Tamavitch]

bruh...

Wemi is a treasure.

That's it, that's the whole post.

 

[God's Strongest Wardog]

Everyone SHUT UP!!
Nasa just dropped a short Pippa the rippa cover

Better than the original.

 

[Tamavitch]

the Fillian fiasco

Heh remember how that tried to be a thing, then Fillian, the "idiot", just totally ignored the whole fucking thing and sure enough to just petered out instantly and had 0 effect at all? Every chuuba needs to learn that lesson. Getting gangbanged by twatter is voluntary and you have to participate for it to happen. You can in fact just walk about from the computer, how is cyber bullying real etc..

 

[Sh4gg1]

Arya is live.

Chiaki is playing Kingdom Hearts in a hour.

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

Is it Handcam meta day

 

[Stunned But Dumb]

Zumi Dokumi is back in action

 

[Bronze]

Maids of England announced its Vtuber branch

 

[Stunned But Dumb]

Maids of England announced its Vtuber branch

Man, nine at launch is a lot. Yes, I am saying this a few days after Nexas dropped like 20 something vtubers at once again, but still... I still say the golden number is 3-5. I will at least take a peek when they start dropping.

 

[Lee Crabb]

Lia will be streaming on Twitch this week because Neil is still being an obnoxious pajeet

 

[Helmet-kun Backwards]

Maids of England announced its Vtuber branch

A v-tubing agency made entirely of English women, huh?



....yeeaaah I'll pass

 

[I Wanna Die]

Maids of England announced its Vtuber branch

Damn they made a whole vtubing branch for @Awoogers

 

[The Rrat]

Maids of England announced its Vtuber branch

Has anyone checked on @Awoogers?

 

[Nenélove]

Man, nine at launch is a lot. Yes, I am saying this a few days after Nexas dropped like 20 something vtubers at once again, but still... I still say the golden number is 3-5. I will at least take a peek when they start dropping.

3-5 is the proven formula, even big corpos like Holo/Niji struggle to make debuts any bigger than that without having some serious falloff, when you have so many members people find it hard to keep up with all of them and thus you end up with this uneven viewer distribution were one member has an insane amount of attention and 2-3 members end up stunted for the rest of their careers.

I'd say small corpos should keep to 3 due to how saturated the market is but honestly from a small corp's point of view it's better to spam, they know they will end up shedding a few members due to mismanagement and even if they waste 20k on debuting so many people, if only 1 or 2 take off then that is worth it, since it allows the agency to actually be profitable at all instead of just an uncertain investment.

 

[Awoogers]

i win

 

[frz]

3-5 is the proven formula, even big corpos like Holo/Niji struggle to make debuts any bigger than that without having some serious falloff, when you have so many members people find it hard to keep up with all of them and thus you end up with this uneven viewer distribution were one member has an insane amount of attention and 2-3 members end up stunted for the rest of their careers.

Tbf when was the last time a small corpo penetrated the EN market successfully... Phase connect from 3 years ago? Who is so distinct from every other corpos, you can hardly calls them following a formula.

There is no guaranteed success to just following the formula. I don't think it really matters if they debut 3 or 9. They will still enter a market that was defined years ago and it's an uphill battle from there.

I do hate the number 9 though, 8 is better for collabs and groups game. Idk why vtuber corpo hate the number 4 and 8 so much.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

Tbf when was the last time a small corpo penetrated the EN market successfully... Phase connect from 3 years ago?

Idol aruguably was the last big success?
While not smashout success stories, v4mirai didnt have that bad of a reception
Dare i say the market is not hard to necesarily penetrate, but its the long term plans that sink companies, see idol

 

[CalciumAnimal]

Tbf when was the last time a small corpo penetrated the EN market successfully... Phase connect from 3 years ago?

There is no guaranteed success to just following the formula. I don't think it really matters if they debut 3 or 9. They will still enter a market that was defined years ago and it's an uphill battle from there.

I do hate the number 9 though, 8 is better for collabs and groups game. Idk why vtuber corpo hate the number 4 and 8 so much.

Five is statistically optimized. Four is around the number of unfamiliar voices a person can keep track of so if you have 5 you can skirt around someone being unavailable. Groups of 3 or 2 are statistically better for back and forth banter.

Group of 2 means it's a back and forth.

Group of 3 means there's more chance of a dissenting view point which means fun tangents.

Any more then that and the company just wants to look more put together then it is there is a reason holo and even ninji seem to cap out at around five.

Seriously all the people who show interest in watching your talents will be split among 9 people and even those who watch more then one will be still split among 7 or 8.

Stagger your frigging waves dumbasses . they don't even need to be more then a week apart!

 

[Lee Crabb]

Lia will be streaming on Twitch this week because Neil is still being an obnoxious pajeet

No stream. I think there was a mixup on the schedule.

Edit: This is not Lia. Lia's penith is still structurally sound

 

[Stunned But Dumb]

Spoiler: Suisei 'dox' longpost

This has probably already been long since surmised elsewhere, but I am working through it for my own understanding and because a lot of sources are in Chinese:

Notably, the name isn't listed in JASRAC at all. The Songview entry claims that the reporting participants of the song information are ASCAP, which reports the Publisher information as MCJP INC E GROUP THIRD DIVISION whose PRO (performing rights organization) is JASRAC, and "other non-BMI, non-ASCAP participants", which are the the other two names listed.

In NEXT COLOR PLANET's case, it is Sakai Takuya and Suisei's supposed name totalling the other 50%, as both are not society members, while the publisher is a member of JASRAC and reported by ASCAP for the other 50%. For Stellar Stellar, it is Taku Inoue and Suisei's supposed name for 50% "other", with the second 50% being the same publisher situation.

Compare that to "Here Comes Hope":
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Ooshima Fumihiro is Tom-H@ck's, the songwriter, real name and reported as such in the song info. Sakakida Wataru is hotaru's, the lyricist, real name and reported as such. Hotaru is part of JASRAC, so 75% of the information is from ASCAP and only 25% is from Tom-H@ck who does not belong to a society.

All other Holo songs released in that time by that publisher all show the same pattern of "songwriter and lyricist credited this way", including Calli's songs we knew she wrote included as Mori Calliope with the musicwriter she collabed with.

So why does this matter? Well, Suisei did the lyrics for both those songs and the "writer and lyricist" sections in ASCAP and JASRAC have Stellar Stellar and NEXT COLOR PLANET list her alongside the songwriter in the "writers" credits, while on BMI's Songview she is missing as Hoshimachi Suisei and that other name is there in her stead, however both unique identifier numbers for her and the other name are exactly the same.

Conclusion: Songview claims it is a combination of BMI and ASCAP's databases, but the Songview search on both sites report a different name associated to the same unique ID number for the writer of for her songs.

ASCAP has the songs listed in their personal databases correctly with the credit as Hoshimachi Suisei and those entries report to the combined Songview databases. BMI does not have the songs in their personal records AT ALL, which means their version of Songview pulls the data on the songs is pulled from ASCAP's database.

I think it is legit and Cover massively fucked up somehow. She may have been originally credited for the songs as her real name in ASCAP and JASRAC, but it was fixed. Both names have the same IPI/CAE (Interested Parties Information/Composer, Author and Publisher) number. According to BMI and ASCAP's site, you can update your name associated with that unique number to change it to a pseudonym on request, which makes sense because pseudonyms are used often in the industry. I think ASCAP's version of Songview and their databases updated properly with her name, while the BMI version of Songview is the original credit before the name was updated.

Tldr: I think it is legit.

Anyway, here is another cute Calli short to distract you from all that word vomit:

Any reason this Calli short got privated?

 

[electronic elephant]

Some highlights from Doki's team watching Evo.

An unsuspecting viewer didn't realize a vtuber would be showing up to the watchalong.


Starting a riot.


Calling everything gooning.