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General Thread v2: Enhanced Segregation Techniques!

Furious George

Low & Lazy
Joined:  Sep 25, 2022
I'm always surprised by her numbers. I guess the english speaking SEA audience is bigger than I thought? Or maybe it's just degenerate NA viewers watching vtubers at 3am on a week day.

Jelly seems to have a lot of Aussies & Euros in her chat along with the SEAnogs. I reckon her content is different enough enough (ultra uber autistic) to do very well in NA prime time without cannibalising from the other girls if she ever wanted to try out that time slot.
 

Awoogers

basic ass man who loves the british funny woman
Joined:  Jun 7, 2023
blue woman fooling around her steam page and looking for games
 

GayKusa

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Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 22, 2022
Kiara has an announcement for her next stream. Possibly an on time birthday 3D?

Its not about her Birthday 3D, members already know that it is delayed by 3 months into September, close to the Myth Anniversary group 3D live
My guess for the announcement is either a new accessory for a outfit or a new Outfit soon, or maybe just a new cover song or something

Which as we have seen, Cover tries to follow Youtube guidelines. This is why the Bunny Girl streams were taken down.
you know what hasn't been taken down?
Haachamas porn review streams.




The strongest Idol stays winning. :cursedhaachama:
Oh jesus it seems that I shat up the general yet again!




I was thinking about it earlier and I really do not understand how the western audience has basically fooled themselves into whatever warped image of Holo, small corpos like phase and indies they have.

Holo is not some alien entity separate from the rest of the industry, let's get that out of the way first. I know both Holodrones and people who don't care for Holo who act like it is and I do not get why. Hololive has always had more edgy content specially when relating to sexuality and degeneracy, they were called "erolive" in the early days for this reason and if anything changed it was youtube censoring coomerbait content like ASMR and bikinis.
I see a lot of people claiming that Holo "became safe" but I really do not see the difference, I still see JP clips from this year where Nene and Polka act like creepy old men to scare a VSPO girl. We had Holosummer last year in which the MOST CONTROVERSIAL BIT WAS THE HORNY BAITING SCENE FFS. Do people have goldfish memory now? Or do you just selectively remember what fits your dumbfuck narratives?

On the kayfabe aspect, this is something which I think a lot of people misinterpret or maybe we ran away with the concept when it evolved beyond burly dudes smacking each other in the 80s. The word "kayfabe" seems to make people think that the vtuber has do some perfect character impersonation that never wavers and they always play the fool, that does not exist, idk why people act like that is what is meant when we say "kayfabe".
Let me give you a little hint so you get it... ALL CONTENT CREATORS DO KAYFABE. Yes, all of them do, even the ones who are (((real))), not because they are literally playing a character but because they are not being their actual irl selves, every streamer presents themselves to audiences in a way that is different from the way they speak to their family and friends. That is kayfabe to me, you are hiding your human flaws and more controversial opinions to give a performance that is ABOVE reality, it does not strictly mean being a fucking mime who does not feel because he ain't supposed to. And yes, kayfabe does vary, some people play it up, some people do not, "It's on a spectrum" as Bill Nye once infamously said.

In that regard Holo isn't different from any other corpo except some very casual indies, all of your oshis who take this job seriously WILL change the way they speak, change the way the act and change how they present themselves to appeal to you. Argue all you want but that is A FACT, you do not know these people irl and you never will if they take their job seriously, you are drinking the parasocial juice and you are in love with a persona. This isn't some machiavellian plan either, people naturally change their demeanor to be more appealing, specially in an industry as competitive as this one. They will do anything to stand out and exaggerate their personalities to appear more interesting. I still remember how many of you were so shocked when you saw Pippa's alt blubbering incoherently and acting like a big softie, and no, digging into someone's personal life does not count as "knowing them".

So in this regard, Holo isn't any more "kayfabe" than anyone else, they just really enforce the no touching zone between streamer and audience. Nobody fucking believes the stupid fucking lore, stop attacking that goddamn strawman already. What we mean when we say "Holo does kayfabe" is professionalism and a standardized experience, that's it. Some people just like having content which will always be on the same standard of quality, and I admit, some indies are FUCKING INCREDIBLE, but for every amazing singer there are 100 vtweeters, when you like indies that is your decision to go out and look for the cream of the crop, not everyone likes doing that, whether that is for better or worse I will let you decide.

Idk why some many people want to conflate idols with vtubers. Sure, the two industries share some similarities, but I think it has become an overplayed buzzword that was initially used by nip businessmen like Yagoo to give A POINT OF REFERENCE, not a direct analogy, but I guess nuance has vanished from society completely these days.

Aka gets it perfectly right here, the only aspects of Holo which separate it from phase or idol or whatever is scale and limits, Holo has bigger scale and stricter limits. That is fucking it. Idk if it's jealousy or contrarian bullcrap, Holo cordoning itself from everyone else or what have you but this treating Holo like something alien to the rest of the industry needs to stop, both from fans and non fans. And yeah, Holo fans are the biggest architects of Holo's own terrible reputation among some people, I will never deny that.

I like Hololive because I don't care who the person behind the avatar and the personality they portray on stream is, I wanna get home and watch some funny shit by people who couldn't ever exist in the real world. And if you scoff at that then I guess you don't like any kind of entertainment except historical or reality TV because guess what: most stories and characters in entertainment ARE FAKE. I know a lot of people came into vtubing to have some "Deeper connection" with their oshi, and those people have sensibly relocated to indieville where there's less competition, I am not one of those people and I HATE that everyone seems to assume or believe that that is the only reason one watches streamers for, as if the entertainment value on its own wasn't enough.

Sticker me as much as you want, I acknowledge not everyone (or anyone) will agree with me but Idc, this is my position, self reflection and industry analysis has only reinforced it. In the end, shitpost if you wanna shitpost, bait if you wanna bait, but let people watch what they wanna fucking watch. If you're gonna give a corpo shit then do it for valid reasons like PROVABLE EVIDENCE of mismanagement or mistreatment, not some retarded headcanon you have and whatever /vt/ told you. Just because someone is a professional and has to show less of themselves doesn't mean they have it worse than you because you get to decide HOW MUCH you want to show that Tuesday, it does not mean they are under some vile serf style servitude scheme, that is their fucking job and if they didn't like how much money it makes them then they would've quit long ago.
I didn't read this but I agree
Idk why some many people want to conflate idols with vtubers. Sure, the two industries share some similarities, but I think it has become an overplayed buzzword that was initially used by nip businessmen like Yagoo to give A POINT OF REFERENCE, not a direct analogy, but I guess nuance has vanished from society completely these days.
sike I read it afterall

this does remind me, Kiara once said that Hololive mems are not idols, and she got a lot of shit from that, but imo, she is completely correct
Also, who are these people, who think they can tell a real ex-Idol what an Idol is or isnt? As someone who lived through it, she absolutely has some authority on that topic.
But I also remember that part of her point was that, here in Hololive she gets to what she wants for the most time and has time for herself and she can live well on her pay, unlike being an idol. So part of her argument was like "I can't say we are idols because Cover isn't treating us badly enough", which is well... sad innit
Marine is great in that both she can be a needy funny dork and, as kiara puts it, serve cunt on stage like no other Holo can besides maybe Suisei
That woman just nails any 3d performance either with the sex appeal or more standard idolshit
okay but what about RTX Marine?

 

USS IOWA

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Joined:  Oct 22, 2022
Its not about her Birthday 3D, members already know that it is delayed by 3 months into September, close to the Myth Anniversary group 3D live
My guess for the announcement is either a new accessory for a outfit or a new Outfit soon, or maybe just a new cover song or something
Nah Kiara said it's not a new accesory or a new oitfit last stream, My guess is it might be a 3d model update since her silhoutte of 3d is in the thumbnail
 

Hotdogs Aplenty

King Shiori Poster
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Joined:  Sep 10, 2022
Nah Kiara said it's not a new accesory or a new oitfit last stream, My guess is it might be a 3d model update since her silhoutte of 3d is in the thumbnail

Announcing her and Panko are invading Paris attending Japan Expo.
 

thirteenorphans

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Joined:  Sep 16, 2022
Nah Kiara said it's not a new accesory or a new oitfit last stream, My guess is it might be a 3d model update since her silhoutte of 3d is in the thumbnail
Gosegu time?
 

kushami tasukaru

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Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 11, 2022
Re:AcT's Shishigami Leona releasing a new cover to accompany her Chinese dress outfit at 10.30PM JST.


Vesperbell's Yomi singing and celebrating Vesperbell's fourth year anniversary.


AZKi talking about her experience when she was young.


From Koyori's earlier stream Norio recommended Hoshikawa Sara as next month's guest.
 

braindoko

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Joined:  Oct 29, 2022
Korean game dev Monoh rare stream where she wants to talk but has no topic, help her yap
 

Svarog

Saviorfag
Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 10, 2022
Super Meche playing Saber Marionette J: Battle Sabers


Lumia playing Sky Climb VR

And will be playing harp after that
 

Watamate

Previously known as Tatsunoko
Early Adopter
Joined:  Oct 8, 2022
This is some damn good fanart :irysyabairys: Although I wouldn't necessarily say accurate.

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IRySPart2.jpg

 

Limkin

Well-known member
Joined:  Mar 1, 2023
This is some damn good fanart :irysyabairys: Although I wouldn't necessarily say accurate.
I swear her fanartists refuse to draw her not naked. Every time I see anything on twitter it's either lewd or implied nudity
 

Watamate

Previously known as Tatsunoko
Early Adopter
Joined:  Oct 8, 2022
Going from something lewd to cute, some JP Watamates had a fan meetup and rented a bar to watch her Birthday concert yesterday.

 

Saturnus

haha it's unou
Joined:  Sep 10, 2022
If Doki, Sayu, and Pomu were to all join as the triple invader batch (lol yeah right), I think Saturnus definitely needs to ingest that acrylic stand through the other end.
My bet was strictly for Doki, Sayu, and Mint. If Phase forms a miracle and revives a dead body from Nijisanji and transfers her into their ranks alongside Doki and Sayu it doesn't count.
:pankosmug:
 

Dawifet

I love my dumb dorky nephilim
Namirin's Husband
Joined:  Nov 28, 2022
I swear her fanartists refuse to draw her not naked. Every time I see anything on twitter it's either lewd or implied nudity
Cute
Extremely entertaining
Funny
Yabai
10/10 outfits

The fanart draws itself
 

Salado

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Joined:  May 26, 2023

Nenélove

N is for Nenecup
Early Adopter
Nene's Pet Latinx
Latinx/Latine
Joined:  Sep 16, 2022
2) Fishman is actually one of the few people who actually does know what he's doing. He went into vtubing with previous experience in creating and running a startup company and managing online advertising campaigns. He has made the occasional misstep, but that's to be expected of any business and any startup. At the end of the day, he has solid brand recognition within the EN sphere, and a talent retention rate that's the envy of any other company in the industry.
And yet his own talents said the company was going to shit before he hired that tsunderia manager lol. He's the envy of Aviel that's for sure, the nips are probably mildly aware he exists but more preoccupied with each other.
Announcing her and Panko are invading Paris attending Japan Expo.
One can only h...cope

Choco new outfit, for the... two people who care.
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And this... idk what this is.

( @ichijouririka ) from ReGLOSS has been appointed as the Official Ambassodor for holo Indie!🎉🎉

We all know how much Ririka loves Indie games..!!🌃

We are very excited to work with her!!

https://ccmc-corp.com/en/202406/03/

CCMC Corporation announced a booth of hololive production’s Derivative Work Game brand “holo Indies” at the indie games event “BitSummit Drift.” Also announcing the appointment of “Ichijou Ririka” – member of hololive production’s music artist VTuber group “ReGLOSS” – as “holo Indie supporting ambassador”

“holo Indie” joins Japan’s largest indie games event “BitSummit Drift”

“holo Indie” will be participating at the indie gaming event “BitSummit Drift,” scheduled for 3 days from 19 to 21 July 2024, at “Miyako Messe” Kyoto Industrial Promotion Center. At the event, “holo Indie” will set up a booth of various playable titles, while VTuber “Ichijou Ririka,” appointed as “holo Indie supporting ambassador,” will assist in boosting excitement throughout the event.

Playable Titles ・HoloParade

・Idol Showdown

・Holo X Break

・WOWOWOW KORONEBOX

・Miko in Maguma

・MikoSniper

・DUEHOLO

further unannounced titles scheduled on site
 
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Big PiPi Energy

New Year, New Autism!
Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 10, 2022
I have nothing to add to today's autistic discussions but my favorite quote on the site popped up for me today.

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I dont care how long her list of crimes is. Lemon whore love!
 

Salado

Well-known member
Joined:  May 26, 2023
Speaking of Pancho.

Happy birthday, you spaghetti eating fuck! (affectionate)
 

Euthyphro

Certified Awatistic
Joined:  Dec 22, 2023
My bet was strictly for Doki, Sayu, and Mint. If Phase forms a miracle and revives a dead body from Nijisanji and transfers her into their ranks alongside Doki and Sayu it doesn't count.
:pankosmug:
Don't get too cocky now, Mint's been retweeting a lot more Doki fan art since hosting WrestleTuber 2024, practically everyday:
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I sense more collabs coming along, and there's still almost 6 months left in the year. More than enough time for them to host a large indie event, big enough where not inviting Sayu would raise eyebrows. :dokiSmug:

Just saying, you might want to spend the next six months researching how to break down acrylic into microplastics. No one said anything about eating it in one go.
 

closedblas

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Joined:  Mar 4, 2024
Ryugasaki Rin pulls you into a back alley to listen to her sing.

 
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