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God's Strongest Mozumite

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Ok enough simping for bugs, it's time for a :sanasmile:BROWN WOMAN UPDATE!:sanasmile:

First, Serina continues her horror game mini-spree with Corpse Party:


Nyaru will be talking about some weeb shit that died in 3 months:


Sena is doing a rare Youtube stream:


And Tomoe is doing some late-night (for her) Risk of Raining:


And for Twitch, YFUBaby will be going on a date with you, Chat! Aren't you lucky! I saw her first you fucking whore


This has been your regularly scheduled :sanasmile:BROWN WOMAN UPDATE!:sanasmile:
 

httn

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I think we might have been long overdue for a Cyberlive and Tsunderia summation. I can only speak with confidence about Tsunderia, and if i get anything wrong i welcome any-one to correct my writing, this is a overview/history of the company and what IMO led to it's collapse, i will not cover any interpersonal drama between talents. So without further ado i give you:

TSUNDERIA : THE CURSE OF THE CROWN

Our story starts in the worst place possible; Early 2020 Los Angeles California in the rented mansion of a Yu-Gi-Oh addicted Asian-American man going by the pseudonym of "PPP". In a flash of inspiration and with a small loan of 100k eddies (from his parents of course) PPP contacts his friend, future talent and manager Hoshino Charlotte and tells her "would you like to be paid to be a anime girl for a couple hours a week?"

Char agrees and together they form a Vtuber company, one of, if not the first US Vtuber company; Tsunderia. At first everything goes smoothly, a first gen consisting of Char, and two former Indies: Inukai Purin & Kamiko Kana. As Kana debuts in April 2020, she introduces her gen-mates and they soon follow up with their own debuts. Kana especially was quite popular and give that the EN boom with Holo Myths debut was still months away at this point thing were going well, even better than expected. Following the Myth debuts and the EN boom in September a new generation of Tsunderia Vtubers is launched in late November, consisting of four members; Nini Yuuna (who was an Indie for a whole two months before being scouted lol) Yazaki Kallin now Ember Aname Kirihime Ria (no link, accounts are scrubbed) & Matsuro Meru. So good so far right? first gen doing fine, and a new gen riding the tailwinds of HoloMyth. this gen was Gen 1 also called TsunQuest.

The first graduations

Something was rotten in the state of Tsunderia, and it wasn't just Kana's smell, and speaking of Kana she would graduate and return to Independent status the 4th of February 2021. Followed closely by the complete graduation of Kirihime Ria on the 4th of April. Now, Ria graduated to enter another bigger company who was just starting to seriously launch their EN branch, and she would come out of this smelling like Roses, but in the aftermath of Tsunderia we have learnt that she was encouraged to graduate for greener (though recent events paints it black) pastures by non other than a manager, and not just any manager a certain Umiushi Urara better known by fans as "Slugma". Slugma had just debuted as a Manager/Vtuber on the 14th of February, the timing possibly to distract from Kana leaving. We will see more from Slugma later in our story...

Moving on to Kana's graduation it had many reasons, discontent with PPP's "hands-off" running of the company (TN: hands-off mean doing fuck-all) rumours at the time implied Kana was being bullied by other talents, (this rrat lived on until Tsunderias dissolution) Kana generally being lazy with streaming, boyfriend yab, openly (in her discord) talking about milking her pay-pigs and of course fucking her dog. It would later turn out that the primary reason was indeed bullying, but not from other talents, but a manager/ the CCO, a certain "S-Train" PPP's friend and just generally a slimy groomer. S-Trains bullying would take the form of never responding to any request Kana had, or outright denying said requests. Neglecting to inform her of events, and misinforming other talents about Kana. Being PPP's friend made S-train
untouchable. And all this supposedly stemmed from S-train trying to get into Kana's pants, failing and this being his very pathetic revenge. He was fired after this came to light. Or was he?

So the cracks are beginning to show, two graduations, Kana being the biggest talent of the company, the CCO being involved in the worst kind of drama, a manager levied to fill the gaps in the ranks as a ersatz Vtuber. To fill the empty spot in TsunQuest the former MyHoloTV talent, then indie Miori Celesta got recruited, continuing the Tsunderia tradition of recruiting Indies into the company. Things started to stabilize again, Miori, despite any faults in her personality is a very talented singer and music producer, check the credits of Vtuber covers or orisongs, good chance you'll find Miori there, as an example;


Check the description for "Vocal arrangement"

The Cursed Founding

Gen 2 or TsunVerse went wrong from the start. the exact circumstances are somewhat shrouded in mystery but seemingly this gen would follow the same pattern as previous generation, some new talents and some Indies. But something happened to make the recruited indies drop out. The rumour is that TsunVerse was supposed to be "Tsunderia Noir" and the Indies were to be given new models but keep their old identities (sounds familiar...) We don't exactly know who would be on the roster but often cited candidates were Shimada Tiger & Seiryu Komatsu who both were seemingly preparing for re-debuts at the time then suddenly changed, Shimadas contacts with other former Tsunderia members are also taken as sign of this being true, as well as the face that Hoshino char would come to join Duskward together with Shimada and Komatsu. Whatever the truth may be, the fact is that something went terribly wrong and gen 2 was left with one, yes one talent; Amemachi Hanabi. And so as to not debut a one woman gen Orla Gan Ceann joined up as the second member, reportedly she did not want to be a talent, but agreed due to how sad it would be to let Hanabi debut all on her lonesome.

The Last Attempts At Relevance

Uncharacteristic for PPP and likely driven by the efforts of an increasingly desperate Slugma, 2021-2022 would see real signs of life and attempts to grow by Tsunderia. most notably closer cooperation with other second-tier EN vtuber companies, PRISM & Phase being the most notable. Among us SUS, some might remember this as the era of "small corpo unity", what with the joint Minecraft server and the combined Tsunderia/Phase booth at offkai in 2022.

But before offkai and the MC server, we had the last real generation of Tsunderia; Gen 3 or TsunDream. As PPP slipped further into torpor Slugam got more and more control over Tsunderia, and gen 3 was scouted by her, (and possibly Kallin/Ember) Slugma would commit one big mistake with TsunDream; i was a mixed gen of Men; Uzuki Tomoya & Tetsuya Kazune women; Chikafuji Lisa & Amiya Aranha & of course Tsurugi Nen who is very special and I'm not sure what she wants to be called at this point I'm too old for this queer shit.


Regardless of whether you're a Unicorn or Sister, a fag-basher or a homo-beggar i think we can all agree that the last thing you wanna do as a failing Vtuber company with many of your talents not regularly breaking 100 CCV is launch a gen that will filter people from the very beginning. Also noteable is that Hoshino Char had also taken on a semi-official manager role at this point, and she and Slugma pushed the boys in TsunDream to do BFE. this is something that Tomo has talked about afterwards how he wanted to be a D&D fighter (TsunDream had quite a bit of input in their models) but got overruled by Slugma and ended up a Bunny-Boy, lol, lmao, even.

Though being crippled from the start TsunDream launched to some fanfare, with an original song; (Hazy Hours -TsunDream) written,produced & performed by the TsunDream members, TsunDream being notable for all it's members being quite talented singers and musicians. And in November 2021 Tsunderia would open it's merch store. What's that? You're confused? you thought they had a merch store all along? Nope. not until well over a year from it's launch, and after three generations of Vtubers did Tsunderia get merch. Yes, this is exactly as dumb as it sounds. And speaking of merch here's one of the more well known scandals, being the spoilt princeling he is PPP would not deign to package the merch himself. This then fell upon the managers and talent living nearby, the talent living nearby being Chiiiiiiiiikafuji Lisa, so she got to serve as PPP warehouse worker while at the same time being enrolled in university and streaming regularly, very cool and fair PPP, very good business practise.

Most here know the previously mentioned MC server, where Lisa would befriend the toothless trailer park queen of Phase Connect, and well known proponent of "good paedophilia", our beloved Pipkin Pippa. And later at the Offkai expo Slugma in the flesh would be at the Tsun/Phase booth (having graduated the 8th of April), and several Tsun talents would have panels there; Mixing covers with Miori and Tomo And Amiya did Livelooping of music (no VOD for that one that i know). The offkai appearance would be marred by the fact that on the 8th of April Slugma graduated Tsunderia losing the one staff keeping things togheter and then... on the 15th of April founding member and part time manager Hoshino Char would graduate, and to make things worse, just days before offkai started the whole remaining line-up of gen 1 and Orla from gen 2 announced that they would be graduating immediately. This left Tsunderia with 7 members, the two outside of TsunDream being the only ones in their respective gens. Now rudderless and decimated Tsunderia was left in a state so pathetic i would not even call it death-throes, more like the spasms a corpse gets when you throw salt at exposed muscle.

It's Already Come And Tumbled Down, No Need To Even Play The Song

Hobbling along Tsunderia would spend the rest of 2022 doing a lot of nothing. gen 4 auditions were announced, Three new managers were hired, the only one of the mdoing anything of note was "Rei Daimonji" who seemingly had good report with Lisa in particular, and appeared one one of her streams; (LINK HERE) It was not until late in the year something started to seem off, talent had meetings they came back from saddened, and some of the discord mods left. now normally the sort of sub-human slime that would become a moderator leaving to die gracelessly in a ditch would be celebrated but just this once a disgruntled former mod took his frustrations to 4chan, after one of the then common discussion loops about secret inner circle discords came around, and this one mod wanted to disprove this; (his first post) (second post) (third and most important post containing proof of modship) In that third post is a list of bans;
while the funniest one is someone getting banned for talking about "coochie" in general chat, the important one is the one with the mod note mentioning "Bob" there was a "Manager-B" with an suspicious amount of power, being able to overrule decisions by all other managers. This is likely to be S-train under a new name, yes the same S-train that got Kana to quit. Now this seems real rratty i get it, but you might have seen the video of Ember playing FTL and venting about her exit from Tsunderia,
in it she confirms S-Train was still around after being fired;

If the piece of shit multi gazillion Eurodollar website known as YouTube gives you the wrong timestamp its' 2:11:00 - 2:12:00

Very good and cool yet again. so as January 2023 begins all is up in the air, and then first on January 20th, the remaining managers leave;

Just three days later, Purin graduates on January 23d;

And then...

It's over, not even with a whimper.
Exactly why It all shut down from this is a little unclear, probably PPP running out of steam (and possibly money) Running out of managers and Vtubers on the roster probably didn't help...

Gen Fourn't

Apparently Gen 4 was somewhat far along with a fitting four members; Juri Shima, Haewon The Heartstring, Yomi Cham & Maria Paradisia. Juri Being the only one to be new, and was given her model post-collapse. The exact circumstances of gen 4 are very strange, both Maria and Haewon implied being under NDA still, (i can prove nothing, any Haewon or Maria experts chime in if you know what is up.

And so ends our tale. And Tsunderia enters the annals of history in disgrace.

THE END

for legal reasons this is all fiction i invite you to do your own research and to add or correct as you see fit also this will take like a whole page for itself lol

Great effortpost.

I Would probably include a line to include Slugma's entrance as she had been around for around 6 months prior to Gen1 debut.

Adding to the general "PPP didn't give a shit pile" is how early Tsunderia was super lax on its branding. There was zero requirements for any of the talents to even tag their stream titles with Tsun's name. This didn't really change until the slugs big pushes at legitimacy with Gen 3.

Also LIMITED TIME DIGITAL MERCH why the fuck did anyone sign off on that? It's literally free money to just leave it there.

I wanted to do a "where are they now" writeup on the still active talents for the 1 year anniversary of TOTAL TSUN DEATH but got put off how grim the overall outlook was for the talents.


Isn't it just Ami and Lisa now, or were you including reincarnations as well?
I was planning to include reincarnations & Graduations. The most interesting thing is Maria Paradisia's career of coincidences.
  • Meant to join Cyberlive but it imploded
  • Meant to join Tsunderia Gen 4 but the company closed down
  • Meant to join AkioAir Gen 2 but they hired a minor and started a company destroying shitstorm.

One last question, what happened to PPP?
same thing as when he owned the company. Play Yu-Gi-Oh.
 
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Koronesuki

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I wanted to do a "where are they now" writeup on the still active talents for the 1 year anniversary of TOTAL TSUN DEATH but got put off how grim the overall outlook was for the talents.
Isn't it just Ami and Lisa now, or were you including reincarnations as well?
 

I Wanna Die

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Joined:  Nov 15, 2023
Also LIMITED TIME DIGITAL MERCH why the fuck did anyone sign off on that? It's literally free money to just leave it there.
Not that weird, digital voicepacks are super common in the vtuber sphere and pretty much always limited. FOMO is popular for a reason.
 

Salado

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Nina/Matara got a new outfit, and the bounce sliders are basically set to max.
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I can't get over the roach theme... :depressedtako:
 

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I might be wrong so feel free to correct me
  • Tsunderia was basically left to rot, their ceo and management basically gave up and let the talents in limbo. It was also mismanaged to the point where dizzy was in charge of all the girls and was putting her money into the company IIRC. I think one of their managers after dizzy were creeping on the girls too, this is common so I might be getting it mixed up.
  • The lumi thing was a mean girl discord shitting on lumi trying to pin things on her and shittalking her behind her back, she was manager of cyberlive too.
  • Coni was part of the mean girl discord along with the aura girl.
  • Ember, dizzy and muyu were tsunderia and ended up in phase after it shit the bed.
Saya was also an ex-tsunderia, Kana

Lumi only became a manager down the line cause they didn't really have one and a lot of the bad shit got blamed on her. It's why there's that meme page floating around of all her "sins". It was 2+ years ago and Lumi has moved on from all that. She's also the most successful ex-cyberlive (Yuri you dumb bitch) and they do say success is the best revenge after all.
Coni apparently apologized to Lumi and Lumi forgave her. They may never collab but they seem to be on better terms than she is with the rest of ex-cyberlive. Coni shows up in youtube chat and twitter replies to a lot of the phase girls and will likely collab with Muyu at some point since they share a Mama and seem to get along pretty well.

They were all stupid girls in their early 20's and it's not really something worth holding against them.

Archive

If they can go a full year without trying to publically kick shit up, then it's worth not holding it against them. Emma and Yoki will be hitting that one year mark soon. Hylo still has like half a year to go.

But yes, by now, most of them have moved on and are doing their own things. Whether they're on good terms with Lumi or not is irrelevant as long as they all focus on their own stuff.

I don't have a Cyberlive biography on-hand, and I'm at work, so I don't want to type out too much on mobile. A few more notes worth mentioning:
  • Yuri used to trash talk Lumi with the others too, but became friends with Lumi as some point.
  • When Lumi joined PC, she did so under the condition that Yuri could join too.
  • About a month after Lumi and Yuri left, Cyberlive rebranded as Aetheria.
  • A few months later, one of the Aetheria members, Vera Vee, was outed in some controversy involving fucking her fans, which contributed to the collapse of Aetheria.
There's other interesting tidbits of info out there, such as the recent accusations against Momozora Seina and her rebuttal or the recent schizo stream someone did on Sato Misaki's YT. I've been thinking of trying to compile all this info together since people ask about it so often, but I wasn't around when most of the shit went down, so I don't have a clear picture of the speculations being thrown around at the time or some of the more behind-the-scenes stuff. But, I may still throw together what I do know at some point because I think it's worth having something showing the history of Cyberlive.

Thanks for the information, honestly I'm still not sure what the relation is between tsunderia and cyberlive where they both small indie companies that collapsed around the same time? or why are they used so related? Sucks to hear about Lumi but I'm glad she achieved succes and is now living her best life, also that some of the girls talked and apologised to her. I don't have a horse in the race as I know almost nothing about them but I'm happy to hear they are in good relations.
I think we might have been long overdue for a Cyberlive and Tsunderia summation. I can only speak with confidence about Tsunderia, and if i get anything wrong i welcome any-one to correct my writing, this is a overview/history of the company and what IMO led to it's collapse, i will not cover any interpersonal drama between talents. So without further ado i give you:

TSUNDERIA : THE CURSE OF THE CROWN

Our story starts in the worst place possible; Early 2020 Los Angeles California in the rented mansion of a Yu-Gi-Oh addicted Asian-American man going by the pseudonym of "PPP". In a flash of inspiration and with a small loan of 100k eddies (from his parents of course) PPP contacts his friend, future talent and manager Hoshino Charlotte and tells her "would you like to be paid to be a anime girl for a couple hours a week?"

Char agrees and together they form a Vtuber company, one of, if not the first US Vtuber company; Tsunderia. At first everything goes smoothly, a first gen consisting of Char, and two former Indies: Inukai Purin & Kamiko Kana. As Kana debuts in April 2020, she introduces her gen-mates and they soon follow up with their own debuts. Kana especially was quite popular and give that the EN boom with Holo Myths debut was still months away at this point thing were going well, even better than expected. Following the Myth debuts and the EN boom in September a new generation of Tsunderia Vtubers is launched in late November, consisting of four members; Nini Yuuna (who was an Indie for a whole two months before being scouted lol) Yazaki Kallin now Ember Aname Kirihime Ria (no link, accounts are scrubbed) & Matsuro Meru. So good so far right? first gen doing fine, and a new gen riding the tailwinds of HoloMyth. this gen was Gen 1 also called TsunQuest.

The first graduations

Something was rotten in the state of Tsunderia, and it wasn't just Kana's smell, and speaking of Kana she would graduate and return to Independent status the 4th of February 2021. Followed closely by the complete graduation of Kirihime Ria on the 4th of April. Now, Ria graduated to enter another bigger company who was just starting to seriously launch their EN branch, and she would come out of this smelling like Roses, but in the aftermath of Tsunderia we have learnt that she was encouraged to graduate for greener (though recent events paints it black) pastures by non other than a manager, and not just any manager a certain Umiushi Urara better known by fans as "Slugma". Slugma had just debuted as a Manager/Vtuber on the 14th of February, the timing possibly to distract from Kana leaving. We will see more from Slugma later in our story...

Moving on to Kana's graduation it had many reasons, discontent with PPP's "hands-off" running of the company (TN: hands-off mean doing fuck-all) rumours at the time implied Kana was being bullied by other talents, (this rrat lived on until Tsunderias dissolution) Kana generally being lazy with streaming, boyfriend yab, openly (in her discord) talking about milking her pay-pigs and of course fucking her dog. It would later turn out that the primary reason was indeed bullying, but not from other talents, but a manager/ the CCO, a certain "S-Train" PPP's friend and just generally a slimy groomer. S-Trains bullying would take the form of never responding to any request Kana had, or outright denying said requests. Neglecting to inform her of events, and misinforming other talents about Kana. Being PPP's friend made S-train
untouchable. And all this supposedly stemmed from S-train trying to get into Kana's pants, failing and this being his very pathetic revenge. He was fired after this came to light. Or was he?

So the cracks are beginning to show, two graduations, Kana being the biggest talent of the company, the CCO being involved in the worst kind of drama, a manager levied to fill the gaps in the ranks as a ersatz Vtuber. To fill the empty spot in TsunQuest the former MyHoloTV talent, then indie Miori Celesta got recruited, continuing the Tsunderia tradition of recruiting Indies into the company. Things started to stabilize again, Miori, despite any faults in her personality is a very talented singer and music producer, check the credits of Vtuber covers or orisongs, good chance you'll find Miori there, as an example;


Check the description for "Vocal arrangement"

The Cursed Founding

Gen 2 or TsunVerse went wrong from the start. the exact circumstances are somewhat shrouded in mystery but seemingly this gen would follow the same pattern as previous generation, some new talents and some Indies. But something happened to make the recruited indies drop out. The rumour is that TsunVerse was supposed to be "Tsunderia Noir" and the Indies were to be given new models but keep their old identities (sounds familiar...) We don't exactly know who would be on the roster but often cited candidates were Shimada Tiger & Seiryu Komatsu who both were seemingly preparing for re-debuts at the time then suddenly changed, Shimadas contacts with other former Tsunderia members are also taken as sign of this being true, as well as the face that Hoshino char would come to join Duskward together with Shimada and Komatsu. Whatever the truth may be, the fact is that something went terribly wrong and gen 2 was left with one, yes one talent; Amemachi Hanabi. And so as to not debut a one woman gen Orla Gan Ceann joined up as the second member, reportedly she did not want to be a talent, but agreed due to how sad it would be to let Hanabi debut all on her lonesome.

The Last Attempts At Relevance

Uncharacteristic for PPP and likely driven by the efforts of an increasingly desperate Slugma, 2021-2022 would see real signs of life and attempts to grow by Tsunderia. most notably closer cooperation with other second-tier EN vtuber companies, PRISM & Phase being the most notable. Among us SUS, some might remember this as the era of "small corpo unity", what with the joint Minecraft server and the combined Tsunderia/Phase booth at offkai in 2022.

But before offkai and the MC server, we had the last real generation of Tsunderia; Gen 3 or TsunDream. As PPP slipped further into torpor Slugam got more and more control over Tsunderia, and gen 3 was scouted by her, (and possibly Kallin/Ember) Slugma would commit one big mistake with TsunDream; i was a mixed gen of Men; Uzuki Tomoya & Tetsuya Kazune women; Chikafuji Lisa & Amiya Aranha & of course Tsurugi Nen who is very special and I'm not sure what she wants to be called at this point I'm too old for this queer shit.


Regardless of whether you're a Unicorn or Sister, a fag-basher or a homo-beggar i think we can all agree that the last thing you wanna do as a failing Vtuber company with many of your talents not regularly breaking 100 CCV is launch a gen that will filter people from the very beginning. Also noteable is that Hoshino Char had also taken on a semi-official manager role at this point, and she and Slugma pushed the boys in TsunDream to do BFE. this is something that Tomo has talked about afterwards how he wanted to be a D&D fighter (TsunDream had quite a bit of input in their models) but got overruled by Slugma and ended up a Bunny-Boy, lol, lmao, even.

Though being crippled from the start TsunDream launched to some fanfare, with an original song; (Hazy Hours -TsunDream) written,produced & performed by the TsunDream members, TsunDream being notable for all it's members being quite talented singers and musicians. And in November 2021 Tsunderia would open it's merch store. What's that? You're confused? you thought they had a merch store all along? Nope. not until well over a year from it's launch, and after three generations of Vtubers did Tsunderia get merch. Yes, this is exactly as dumb as it sounds. And speaking of merch here's one of the more well known scandals, being the spoilt princeling he is PPP would not deign to package the merch himself. This then fell upon the managers and talent living nearby, the talent living nearby being Chiiiiiiiiikafuji Lisa, so she got to serve as PPP warehouse worker while at the same time being enrolled in university and streaming regularly, very cool and fair PPP, very good business practise.

Most here know the previously mentioned MC server, where Lisa would befriend the toothless trailer park queen of Phase Connect, and well known proponent of "good paedophilia", our beloved Pipkin Pippa. And later at the Offkai expo Slugma in the flesh would be at the Tsun/Phase booth (having graduated the 8th of April), and several Tsun talents would have panels there; Mixing covers with Miori and Tomo And Amiya did Livelooping of music (no VOD for that one that i know). The offkai appearance would be marred by the fact that on the 8th of April Slugma graduated Tsunderia losing the one staff keeping things togheter and then... on the 15th of April founding member and part time manager Hoshino Char would graduate, and to make things worse, just days before offkai started the whole remaining line-up of gen 1 and Orla from gen 2 announced that they would be graduating immediately. This left Tsunderia with 7 members, the two outside of TsunDream being the only ones in their respective gens. Now rudderless and decimated Tsunderia was left in a state so pathetic i would not even call it death-throes, more like the spasms a corpse gets when you throw salt at exposed muscle.

It's Already Come And Tumbled Down, No Need To Even Play The Song

Hobbling along Tsunderia would spend the rest of 2022 doing a lot of nothing. gen 4 auditions were announced, Three new managers were hired, the only one of the mdoing anything of note was "Rei Daimonji" who seemingly had good report with Lisa in particular, and appeared one one of her streams; (LINK HERE) It was not until late in the year something started to seem off, talent had meetings they came back from saddened, and some of the discord mods left. now normally the sort of sub-human slime that would become a moderator leaving to die gracelessly in a ditch would be celebrated but just this once a disgruntled former mod took his frustrations to 4chan, after one of the then common discussion loops about secret inner circle discords came around, and this one mod wanted to disprove this; (his first post) (second post) (third and most important post containing proof of modship) In that third post is a list of bans;
while the funniest one is someone getting banned for talking about "coochie" in general chat, the important one is the one with the mod note mentioning "Bob" there was a "Manager-B" with an suspicious amount of power, being able to overrule decisions by all other managers. This is likely to be S-train under a new name, yes the same S-train that got Kana to quit. Now this seems real rratty i get it, but you might have seen the video of Ember playing FTL and venting about her exit from Tsunderia,
in it she confirms S-Train was still around after being fired;

If the piece of shit multi gazillion Eurodollar website known as YouTube gives you the wrong timestamp its' 2:11:00 - 2:12:00

Very good and cool yet again. so as January 2023 begins all is up in the air, and then first on January 20th, the remaining managers leave;

Just three days later, Purin graduates on January 23d;

And then...

It's over, not even with a whimper.
Exactly why It all shut down from this is a little unclear, probably PPP running out of steam (and possibly money) Running out of managers and Vtubers on the roster probably didn't help...

Gen Fourn't

Apparently Gen 4 was somewhat far along with a fitting four members; Juri Shima, Haewon The Heartstring, Yomi Cham & Maria Paradisia. Juri Being the only one to be new, and was given her model post-collapse. The exact circumstances of gen 4 are very strange, both Maria and Haewon implied being under NDA still, (i can prove nothing, any Haewon or Maria experts chime in if you know what is up.

And so ends our tale. And Tsunderia enters the annals of history in disgrace.

THE END

for legal reasons this is all fiction i invite you to do your own research and to add or correct as you see fit also this will take like a whole page for itself lol

Absolute winner of a post, thank you so much, I'll re read it later and try to organize my thoughts about it. It's so crazy to think that so many talents started in the same place and then dispersed throught the Vtuber sphere with varying degrees of success. One last question, what happened to PPP?
I think you missed the bit with that one girl who was ultra menhera in gen 1 and spent most of her tenure in hiatus or some shit and later after it was all over did some stream drunk-crying and shitting all over management, does anyone have an archive of that?

I remember a clip in which she goes "We were the first in the EN market and it was all for fucking nothing! FUCK!"
I remember when her stream was talked in this forum and deciding to watch her stream, she sounded completely devastated and even thought about trying to send supportive messages but decided not to because I knew nothing about the context. Maybe I'm mixing her with another Vtuber but didn't she graduate and debut in phase?
Nina/Matara got a new outfit, and the bounce sliders are basically set to max.
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Jesus christ her boobs jump all over the place every time she moves, what are these physics? Also, now that I opened her stream and watched a little I got reminded of what an excellent streamer she is, I would love to watch her more but I stayed for 5 minutes on Twitch and could not stand the bells, jingles and alerts from her chat anymore. This is why I'm so happy Doki is staying on youtube
 

Stunned But Dumb

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too "soft" if that makes any sense.
Matara herself said during this stream that it makes her look too young but "we'll work on that"
 

MyName

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Jesus christ her boobs jump all over the place every time she moves, what are these physics?

Surely you're overreacting. Let me just check for myse... omg. This is advanced anime physics.
 

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Surely you're overreacting. Let me just check for myse... omg. This is advanced anime physics.
She was just saying they're a little too much herself. There's typically a slider for physics so she might turn em down once she gets off stream. Or she might not, Matara is every tech boomer stereotype you can imagine.
 

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I think we might have been long overdue for a Cyberlive and Tsunderia summation. I can only speak with confidence about Tsunderia, and if i get anything wrong i welcome any-one to correct my writing, this is a overview/history of the company and what IMO led to it's collapse, i will not cover any interpersonal drama between talents. So without further ado i give you:

TSUNDERIA : THE CURSE OF THE CROWN

Our story starts in the worst place possible; Early 2020 Los Angeles California in the rented mansion of a Yu-Gi-Oh addicted Asian-American man going by the pseudonym of "PPP". In a flash of inspiration and with a small loan of 100k eddies (from his parents of course) PPP contacts his friend, future talent and manager Hoshino Charlotte and tells her "would you like to be paid to be a anime girl for a couple hours a week?"

Char agrees and together they form a Vtuber company, one of, if not the first US Vtuber company; Tsunderia. At first everything goes smoothly, a first gen consisting of Char, and two former Indies: Inukai Purin & Kamiko Kana. As Kana debuts in April 2020, she introduces her gen-mates and they soon follow up with their own debuts. Kana especially was quite popular and give that the EN boom with Holo Myths debut was still months away at this point thing were going well, even better than expected. Following the Myth debuts and the EN boom in September a new generation of Tsunderia Vtubers is launched in late November, consisting of four members; Nini Yuuna (who was an Indie for a whole two months before being scouted lol) Yazaki Kallin now Ember Aname Kirihime Ria (no link, accounts are scrubbed) & Matsuro Meru. So good so far right? first gen doing fine, and a new gen riding the tailwinds of HoloMyth. this gen was Gen 1 also called TsunQuest.

The first graduations

Something was rotten in the state of Tsunderia, and it wasn't just Kana's smell, and speaking of Kana she would graduate and return to Independent status the 4th of February 2021. Followed closely by the complete graduation of Kirihime Ria on the 4th of April. Now, Ria graduated to enter another bigger company who was just starting to seriously launch their EN branch, and she would come out of this smelling like Roses, but in the aftermath of Tsunderia we have learnt that she was encouraged to graduate for greener (though recent events paints it black) pastures by non other than a manager, and not just any manager a certain Umiushi Urara better known by fans as "Slugma". Slugma had just debuted as a Manager/Vtuber on the 14th of February, the timing possibly to distract from Kana leaving. We will see more from Slugma later in our story...

Moving on to Kana's graduation it had many reasons, discontent with PPP's "hands-off" running of the company (TN: hands-off mean doing fuck-all) rumours at the time implied Kana was being bullied by other talents, (this rrat lived on until Tsunderias dissolution) Kana generally being lazy with streaming, boyfriend yab, openly (in her discord) talking about milking her pay-pigs and of course fucking her dog. It would later turn out that the primary reason was indeed bullying, but not from other talents, but a manager/ the CCO, a certain "S-Train" PPP's friend and just generally a slimy groomer. S-Trains bullying would take the form of never responding to any request Kana had, or outright denying said requests. Neglecting to inform her of events, and misinforming other talents about Kana. Being PPP's friend made S-train
untouchable. And all this supposedly stemmed from S-train trying to get into Kana's pants, failing and this being his very pathetic revenge. He was fired after this came to light. Or was he?

So the cracks are beginning to show, two graduations, Kana being the biggest talent of the company, the CCO being involved in the worst kind of drama, a manager levied to fill the gaps in the ranks as a ersatz Vtuber. To fill the empty spot in TsunQuest the former MyHoloTV talent, then indie Miori Celesta got recruited, continuing the Tsunderia tradition of recruiting Indies into the company. Things started to stabilize again, Miori, despite any faults in her personality is a very talented singer and music producer, check the credits of Vtuber covers or orisongs, good chance you'll find Miori there, as an example;


Check the description for "Vocal arrangement"

The Cursed Founding

Gen 2 or TsunVerse went wrong from the start. the exact circumstances are somewhat shrouded in mystery but seemingly this gen would follow the same pattern as previous generation, some new talents and some Indies. But something happened to make the recruited indies drop out. The rumour is that TsunVerse was supposed to be "Tsunderia Noir" and the Indies were to be given new models but keep their old identities (sounds familiar...) We don't exactly know who would be on the roster but often cited candidates were Shimada Tiger & Seiryu Komatsu who both were seemingly preparing for re-debuts at the time then suddenly changed, Shimadas contacts with other former Tsunderia members are also taken as sign of this being true, as well as the face that Hoshino char would come to join Duskward together with Shimada and Komatsu. Whatever the truth may be, the fact is that something went terribly wrong and gen 2 was left with one, yes one talent; Amemachi Hanabi. And so as to not debut a one woman gen Orla Gan Ceann joined up as the second member, reportedly she did not want to be a talent, but agreed due to how sad it would be to let Hanabi debut all on her lonesome.

The Last Attempts At Relevance

Uncharacteristic for PPP and likely driven by the efforts of an increasingly desperate Slugma, 2021-2022 would see real signs of life and attempts to grow by Tsunderia. most notably closer cooperation with other second-tier EN vtuber companies, PRISM & Phase being the most notable. Among us SUS, some might remember this as the era of "small corpo unity", what with the joint Minecraft server and the combined Tsunderia/Phase booth at offkai in 2022.

But before offkai and the MC server, we had the last real generation of Tsunderia; Gen 3 or TsunDream. As PPP slipped further into torpor Slugam got more and more control over Tsunderia, and gen 3 was scouted by her, (and possibly Kallin/Ember) Slugma would commit one big mistake with TsunDream; i was a mixed gen of Men; Uzuki Tomoya & Tetsuya Kazune women; Chikafuji Lisa & Amiya Aranha & of course Tsurugi Nen who is very special and I'm not sure what she wants to be called at this point I'm too old for this queer shit.


Regardless of whether you're a Unicorn or Sister, a fag-basher or a homo-beggar i think we can all agree that the last thing you wanna do as a failing Vtuber company with many of your talents not regularly breaking 100 CCV is launch a gen that will filter people from the very beginning. Also noteable is that Hoshino Char had also taken on a semi-official manager role at this point, and she and Slugma pushed the boys in TsunDream to do BFE. this is something that Tomo has talked about afterwards how he wanted to be a D&D fighter (TsunDream had quite a bit of input in their models) but got overruled by Slugma and ended up a Bunny-Boy, lol, lmao, even.

Though being crippled from the start TsunDream launched to some fanfare, with an original song; (Hazy Hours -TsunDream) written,produced & performed by the TsunDream members, TsunDream being notable for all it's members being quite talented singers and musicians. And in November 2021 Tsunderia would open it's merch store. What's that? You're confused? you thought they had a merch store all along? Nope. not until well over a year from it's launch, and after three generations of Vtubers did Tsunderia get merch. Yes, this is exactly as dumb as it sounds. And speaking of merch here's one of the more well known scandals, being the spoilt princeling he is PPP would not deign to package the merch himself. This then fell upon the managers and talent living nearby, the talent living nearby being Chiiiiiiiiikafuji Lisa, so she got to serve as PPP warehouse worker while at the same time being enrolled in university and streaming regularly, very cool and fair PPP, very good business practise.

Most here know the previously mentioned MC server, where Lisa would befriend the toothless trailer park queen of Phase Connect, and well known proponent of "good paedophilia", our beloved Pipkin Pippa. And later at the Offkai expo Slugma in the flesh would be at the Tsun/Phase booth (having graduated the 8th of April), and several Tsun talents would have panels there; Mixing covers with Miori and Tomo And Amiya did Livelooping of music (no VOD for that one that i know). The offkai appearance would be marred by the fact that on the 8th of April Slugma graduated Tsunderia losing the one staff keeping things togheter and then... on the 15th of April founding member and part time manager Hoshino Char would graduate, and to make things worse, just days before offkai started the whole remaining line-up of gen 1 and Orla from gen 2 announced that they would be graduating immediately. This left Tsunderia with 7 members, the two outside of TsunDream being the only ones in their respective gens. Now rudderless and decimated Tsunderia was left in a state so pathetic i would not even call it death-throes, more like the spasms a corpse gets when you throw salt at exposed muscle.

It's Already Come And Tumbled Down, No Need To Even Play The Song

Hobbling along Tsunderia would spend the rest of 2022 doing a lot of nothing. gen 4 auditions were announced, Three new managers were hired, the only one of the mdoing anything of note was "Rei Daimonji" who seemingly had good report with Lisa in particular, and appeared one one of her streams; (LINK HERE) It was not until late in the year something started to seem off, talent had meetings they came back from saddened, and some of the discord mods left. now normally the sort of sub-human slime that would become a moderator leaving to die gracelessly in a ditch would be celebrated but just this once a disgruntled former mod took his frustrations to 4chan, after one of the then common discussion loops about secret inner circle discords came around, and this one mod wanted to disprove this; (his first post) (second post) (third and most important post containing proof of modship) In that third post is a list of bans;
while the funniest one is someone getting banned for talking about "coochie" in general chat, the important one is the one with the mod note mentioning "Bob" there was a "Manager-B" with an suspicious amount of power, being able to overrule decisions by all other managers. This is likely to be S-train under a new name, yes the same S-train that got Kana to quit. Now this seems real rratty i get it, but you might have seen the video of Ember playing FTL and venting about her exit from Tsunderia,
in it she confirms S-Train was still around after being fired;

If the piece of shit multi gazillion Eurodollar website known as YouTube gives you the wrong timestamp its' 2:11:00 - 2:12:00

Very good and cool yet again. so as January 2023 begins all is up in the air, and then first on January 20th, the remaining managers leave;

Just three days later, Purin graduates on January 23d;

And then...

It's over, not even with a whimper.
Exactly why It all shut down from this is a little unclear, probably PPP running out of steam (and possibly money) Running out of managers and Vtubers on the roster probably didn't help...

Gen Fourn't

Apparently Gen 4 was somewhat far along with a fitting four members; Juri Shima, Haewon The Heartstring, Yomi Cham & Maria Paradisia. Juri Being the only one to be new, and was given her model post-collapse. The exact circumstances of gen 4 are very strange, both Maria and Haewon implied being under NDA still, (i can prove nothing, any Haewon or Maria experts chime in if you know what is up.

And so ends our tale. And Tsunderia enters the annals of history in disgrace.

THE END

for legal reasons this is all fiction i invite you to do your own research and to add or correct as you see fit also this will take like a whole page for itself lol

Amazing post. We should have a Wiki-like section with articles like this and Akio Air. Same goes for People like Nolan and Chase and whatnot. A glossary of sorts.

I think you missed the bit with that one girl who was ultra menhera in gen 1 and spent most of her tenure in hiatus or some shit and later after it was all over did some stream drunk-crying and shitting all over management, does anyone have an archive of that?

I remember a clip in which she goes "We were the first in the EN market and it was all for fucking nothing! FUCK!"
Meru. I watched that stream and that shit killed me inside. The sad part is that she was completely right. Tsunderia is the perfect example of a company that had one of the best pool of talents and it all went to shit because management failed to do anything with them. Had any of the Tsunderia talents gotten scouted by Hololive (or Niji) they would've been easily at the 500,000 sub mark. But no one knows about em. They failed to advertise their talents and they failed at capitalizing at every chance there was an oportunity for them to blow up.

Isn't it just Ami and Lisa now, or were you including reincarnations as well?
Basically. Meru quit. Tomo streams once every 6 months (said he would be going back to work after graduation). Everyone else got picked up by Phase.

Scarle and Aster are having a Pet Tier list stream in about an hour-ish


but it is an interesting thing to note considering the earlier discord pic.

This shit pretty much makes me think that the leaks are true and that they are aware of the backlacsh. In a way it seems to have helped them since they have 1700 CCV when Aster barely can get more than 350 (been watching some of his streams lately since he has been playing League).

Honestly those leaks are pretty much a nothingburger and probably have nothing to do with the Selen thing.
 

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Nina/Matara got a new outfit, and the bounce sliders are basically set to max.
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"Hey Tara, what do you want for your new outfit?"

"Can I be Soma Cruz from Aria of Sorrow but as a sexy cockroach?"

"Uh...?"

Fuck I love contemporary outfits though.
 
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Amazing post. We should have a Wiki-like section with articles like this and Akio Air. Same goes for People like Nolan and Chase and whatnot. A glossary of sorts.
I was gonna say "there's already a vtuber wiki with a short recount of events" but then I realized that because of the nature of the wiki, most of the media that was in that post (for example, clips of the talent's reincarnations sharing details of past events) wouldn't be allowed.
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Let's see how long it takes for one of the known grifters to publish a video essay about tsunderia on their yt channel.
 

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I remember when her stream was talked in this forum and deciding to watch her stream, she sounded completely devastated and even thought about trying to send supportive messages but decided not to because I knew nothing about the context. Maybe I'm mixing her with another Vtuber but didn't she graduate and debut in phase?
Meru is an enigma, as she pushed her graduation back a week then never did it but she's not streaming. She is really active on her alt, vagueposting about eventual comeback. She's so inconsistent in her wording I'm not sure what's going on with her life. One post she's hopeful, another she's sadposting
 
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Petalight's VRchat collab now.
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Mono's pov:
 

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I was gonna say "there's already a vtuber wiki with a short recount of events" but then I realized that because of the nature of the wiki, most of the media that was in that post (for example, clips of the talent's reincarnations sharing details of past events) wouldn't be allowed.
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Let's see how long it takes for one of the known grifters to publish a video essay about tsunderia on their yt channel.
Pretty sure Nousagi talked about Tsunderia before but didnt seem to go too much into detail.
 

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