General Thread v2: Enhanced Segregation Techniques!

[The Rrat]

Silence fucking holodrone, your talents fucking suck and don't stream.

The ones I care about stream and that's all that matters to me.


Edit: Speaking of people I don't care about, no wonder this NijiEN Fortnite collab has been so tolerable, Uki was muted for the past 5 minutes.

 

[Limkin]

You will much more likely hear a Holomem go off on management without feeling the risk of being bonked, while Riku seems to have a sniper rifle at their heads waiting to stealth suspend anyone for anything.

If they want their company to have a better rep, the company is gonna have to give people a reason to like them, and they don't seem to be interested in doing that, so idk what to say. I'm not gonna change my opinion on them just because they get mad about it and it would be the same even if they were my oshi. Maybe they should just stop reading Twitter and worrying about dramafags on Youtube?

I think Mel's issue genuinely helped moving forward that complains about managers doing a poor job shouldn't be brushed off with "it's your own problem and you can't complain about anything or it will damage our reputation". Failing upwards as they say. And I am not surprised they are egosearching so fanatically, not only their job is directly influenced by their public perception, they are also in a shithole, and you don't want that place to be shit, but there is nothing you could change. So you are trying to gaslight yourself with approval from others, trying to find as much positive comments as possible to get through the day. It's too bad their only options just shit on them non-stop because they know it will be read, and/or ran out of last supplies of copium months ago. Maybe the upcoming events during the winter will change the opinion for the better. That is, if we don't find out a ton of people didn't, in fact, renew their contracts and there will be massive wave of graduations

 

[masterstocking]

Shork and Pebble dance

 

[Awoogers]

This is cute

 

[Todd's Strongest Howard]

@Shiori's Mistake make better games Shiorin ur games sucks

 

[kestraline]

Holy Crap It's Iomi Friday!

 

[Punished Lurker]

There have been some really interesting topics in the last few pages, so I have decided to come out of lurking and, I don't know, write into the void I guess

I am honestly curious: what does IronMouse do to make her a great content creator?
I get it from her indie days, her karaokes are soul, but the "I'm dying" should get anyone tired of it eventually, as it got me. Everytime I open her stream she's either talking about herself, reacting to stupid shit or talking with her boy-toy CDawg, and I tune out immediately because of it. Can someone explain in a very objective manner why she gets that much clout? Preferably from someone who regularly checks her out.
I tried to look into essays on the web but they all feel written by dramafags and I can't get to the bottom of it.

Honestly as soon as I saw that she won the award I asked myself the same thing. I don't watch her, but from what I know and seen about her it's just as you say: react content, collabs or talking, nothing amazing in the day-to-day stuff. From the answers and recapitulating what they say it seems to be because of her willingness to collab outside of the normal Vtuber circles, her personal story, her donothon, being one of the leading members of Vshojo and just a bunch of circumstances that allowed her to win the award.

I... don't fully understand what you're talking about, but Matara has gone on record saying that not everything that's happened is Hollywood's (her stand-in for Niji) fault and she's tired of seeing it spun that way. Kuro is a bit iffy because he has lied before about a lot of things, but also I'm not going to deny things he's said before, such as feeling confined while in Niji. We know that content he wanted to do for Luxiem's first anniversary was blocked and he has a right to be mad about that. Though, I'm glad it got blocked because all he wanted to do was react to Reddit memes which is... well it's definitely a choice seeing as how the Niji Reddit is dead.

Millie's rant on this was very reactionary and probably not the best, but I think her heart was in the right place. It's like you said, all they can do is tell people that their information is wrong and to rest easy that they're all doing well. The problem comes from people not trusting her words and saying that Niji has manipulated her into saying these things, which is where I think her frustration stems from. I personally don't think they should address things like this as much as she has, but what's done is done in that regard.

Man I really wish I could watch Matara, not only because her content seems to be the type I liked watching before she joined Vshojo but I am really interested into hearing about her time in "Hollywood", even if it's not complete information or told in an indirect way. However because I can't get used to Twitch, the fact that now she has unleashed her endurance streamer side and streams for long hours and having to wait until VODs are uploaded to youtube means I can't follow her as I used to, and the only things I hear about her time there are clips that are focused more on the drama baiting.

This kinda allows me to segway into the other subject I wanted to talk about which is Millie's rant. Someone already gave some slight context about why Millie talked about that but I think telling more context gives a better picture. By the time Millie talked about Niji her stream was already pretty crazy: she broke down in tears at the start because of a personal matter, privated the stream, started another one, played the game until she got motion sickness, left for a bit to puke and then stopped the game so she could recover, which lead to her talking about Nijisanji later. Plus she said on her stream she was on her period. She really wasn't in the best conditions

Hopping on the "Niji not that bad guys I swear????" bandwagon, as much as I wish Millie could thicken up her skin (seeing as she's the one who hosted the anon chat stream), you can absolutely see and understand her and Luca's frustration in being known as the black company Vtubers. Things like "black company" or "Riku yacht" feel like they obfuscate legitimate concerns and criticism to have towards the company.

Do they dox anyone who leaves? No. Do they hire minors before going "hey guys this person is a minor, PLEASE don't make porn of them that would be REALLY bad oh no"? Absolutely not. Are they still probably one of the best options if you're looking for a corpo? Yeah, especially if you're a male Vtuber.

Do they lack transparency? Yeah. Do a lot of their choices feel questionable, aimed at appealing to shareholders, and focused on short-term? Definitely. Does Riku currently give off the impression of a spineless coward hiding in his office to occasionally give his shareholders the safest bullshit answers imaginable? A hundred percent.

Niji's just in the negative spotlight right now due to a mix of these issues and consistent drama. They're pretty much in the situation Hololive found itself in in the past, constantly being in issues and being considered the strict no-fun idol company in comparison to Niji letting people like Noraneko or Mito do whatever they want. Whether they can get out of it over time remains to be seen.

As far as listening to Matara and Kuro over Millie, as some people have already stated, do keep in mind that they also have reason to prop up why Vshojo is a hundred percent a super good squeaky clean perfect company. Are we forgetting Kson's talent freedom meme? Kuro-wise, I also wouldn't exactly trust someone who tried to cook the books and couldn't even do that right. It's pretty much a matter of he said she said at that point.

Honestly this comment perfectly encapsulates my opinion about Niji. I do understand Millie and agree with her, as others have said just screaming "black company" at Niji just takes away from the conversation the fair points of criticism there is, and also I imagine reading how the company that gives you opportunities is a shithole even though you and your coworkers are doing their best must be mentally draining. But 2023 hasn't been the best year for Niji and even though there have been some good announcements in the last month I don't think it has been enough yet to change completely the image Niji has been giving this entire year. I really hope they do though

Before I go back into lurking I do want to make a question. Has Matara talked about her time in Niji in anyway that hasn't been picked up by clippers? As I said I am interested in knowing if she talked about any stories of her time there

 

[Ensok]

Holy Crap It's Iomi Friday!

I don't know who that is but I'm always up for a Starcraft stream.

Play Brood War, Selen.

 

[UberSoldat]

I also expect Bobon to quit soon as he doesn't seem to be streaming much either. Selen basically mentioned in her tournament announcement stream that she resurrected a corpse to get him to join this.

The man streams on his alt regularly now, and I've seen Siska's alt in one of them too. Like every other ex-ID, graduation is inevitable at this stage. This one hurts personally but it is what it is.

 

[The Peanut Gallery]

E;R's streaming Baldurs Gate 3 soon

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

Vtubers playing Halo is my favorite Vtuber subgenre

 

[soap suds]

The man streams on his alt regularly now, and I've seen Siska's alt in one of them too. Like every other ex-ID, graduation is inevitable at this stage. This one hurts personally but it is what it is.

Bobon is such an enigma because he was already supposed to graduate, at least he said he was seriously thinking about it, around the time Noctyx debuted. He was only convinced to stay after Sonny talked to him. His health also isn't in the best condition, Selen gives fans health updates sporadically because of how notorious his poor health is, and some are saying he'll be another Gilzaren. For those not initiated, Gilzaren is one of the livers known for not streaming and only really popping up for events. He went awol for a whole year before randomly streaming one day. Funnily enough, Bobon showed up on Gilzaren's surprise stream lol.
I personally don't see him sticking around for much longer because, like you said, he's been streaming more on his alt. But some part of me wants to believe he'll stick around just so Selen can drag him around from tournament to tournament.

 

[RestlessRain]

 

[Negzana]

E;R's streaming Baldurs Gate 3 soon

the only homo worth oshiing

 

[Azehara]

I mean that's surely his choice to make. If he wants to present himself as 'just a guy who talks about things' that doesn't exonerate him from being responsible with his platform.

Don't waste time catering to the people who already hate you. Hell, the first comment to his video post on Twitter was someone basically saying "im not going to watch but I wonder what will you make up to hate on Niji". His video title about Selen Saving the Company its clickbait. Naming it "Selen organizes a cross-company collab with Hololive" won't get as many clicks.

 

[Bronze]

She's so back

 

[Awoogers]

She's so back

I fucking choked on a cracker when this happened good fucking stuff rin

 

[Bronze]

A/LURE song is premiering


The collab is delayed by 30 min here's holodex of all povs

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[shipmate_F]

A bit late but Jorunna is playing Super Mario 64 with Crowd Control enabled, it seems Twitch Japan is having a promo where the more bits you spend, she gets some meat as a reward (very expensive in Japan)

 

[Spergatory]

A/LURE song is premiering

I'll admit I like some New Jeans songs but this song is not that good. They did the best they could with it but I guess Fishman really wanted them to cover a League song.

Hope they choose better songs in the future.