General Thread v2: Enhanced Segregation Techniques!

[VSoyBoy]

"Everything is political"

"Everywhere I go it smells like shit"

 

[NeneHATE]

"Everywhere I go smells like shit"

Maybe stop living in india

 

[The Proctor]

Honestly Holo should get the fuck out of there before someone declares everyone still in the con enemies of the """Free peoples"""" or some bullshit like that. Keep politics, ALL POLITICS, out of this hobby. This is why I stay in the walled garden, I don't give a shit how much of a "normie" that makes me. We can't ever have anything nice, vtubing should've stayed in Japan.

>'i don't want to be political'
>'also, here's why hololive should make a massive political statement that i would entirely endorse and think would be a good thing'

unironically, do you even hear yourself.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

To expound on my previous snarky meme because I feel it's wrong to just dump it and leave;

I have spent twenty years in online communities by now. I was on the internet when I was ten years old, and I'm now nearly 32.

In all that time, I have never once, ever, under any circumstances, ever seen a non-political community. It is a myth, it doesn't exist. It is a fantasy. This is a political community, defined by moral principles that automatically fall into the libertarian and right-of-center political brackets. Trying to ignore that reality is completely and totally delusional.

You don't have to like it, you don't have to engage with it. You can just talk about vtubers, that's fine. I don't ask you to do any more than that. But do not indulge in the absurdist, nonsensical and laughable concept that there is any such thing as a community without principles. I say principles instead of politics because the latter is simply the act of social engineering upon the basis of the former.

Vtubing, tabletop roleplaying, electronic gaming, anime, battletech, warhammer, MMORPGs, gundam, etc... these hobbies are all under active, sustained attack by outside forces seeking to use social engineering to force you to change your opinions and attitudes to better conform to their own desired versions.

The proponents of these versions will chase you relentlessly everywhere you go. Until you stand up to them, they will never stop. They will attack you, your friends, your family, your heroes, your icons, etc. They will re-write history before your eyes, and when you get angry and burnt out and retreat to another medium that you enjoy more, they will come after you and try to re-write that, too.

The fact of the matter is that escapism is dead, because escapism is passive and conservative, and conservatives have never conserved anything.

I am not political. I hate and despise politics. If you have ever voted for any party in your life, you are a fool. They all hate you and want to destroy you, just with varying degrees of intensity and desired speeds of destruction. What I am, however, is principled. My principles tell me to stand up to inveterate, unprincipled liars who want to destroy the mediums I love and will never stop unless they are dragged out, kicking and screaming. To do that I need to tell others about my principles. If that means I piss them off, then they can go find escapism elsewhere, and hide in their holes as earth is shovelled on top of them by the change agents that they deliberately chose to ignore until it was far, far too late.

Every single person I have ever met who has had the 'I just want to game/watch anime/enjoy my cartoons/etc in peace, man' mental outlook has become more jaded, cynical, miserable and delusional over time. Without exception. They do the same thing over and over; pick something they like, try and ignore the invaders and sit there in an ever-shrinking bubble of supposedly 'non-political' buddies until everything they ever loved about the thing has been subverted out from under them. Then they have a breakdown, rant about just wanting to be left alone, and find another hobby. So the change agents merrily traipse after them, delighted that they've found such a willing, submissive beast of burden, who will constantly lead them to greener pastures for them to rape barren and destroy, safe in the knowledge he will never do more than passively whine and cringe into a tighter and tighter ball on the ground.

Then when he's retracted fully, they can just stick the lever under him and pry him off the last sprout of green grass they want to spray pesticide over, before shooing him away to scout out a new hobby for them to destroy.

They will not stop, ever, until you either stand up for your principles, or you kill yourself. Those are the only two options on the table.

Nothing stands unless you defend it.

You're preaching to a choir that has probably seen countless internet slapfights develop over politics and also have seen most end in endless grifting or nothing being done
Most here who dont support Kirsche or stopped doing so wont start simply because her vaugely right of center yapping got her banned by a con that used to host the gayest behind the scenes retard in the the scene (Marina)
The fact that in record time it has been picked up by tards like Grummz, Niche Gamer or Karbutus of stop SBI fame wont be a sympathetic light to people outside the politic sperging enjoyers like 99% of Corpo or Indie watchers.
Now, if they had invited Mana or Marina to do a panel on "Collective LGBT Antifa Gardening" id understand the double standard to an extent but at the end of the day, Kirsche made her bed with choosing to be a politisperg, and will be treated like one by people who dislike them regardless of leaning.

 

[NeneHATE]

>'i don't want to be political'
>'also, here's why hololive should make a massive political statement that i would entirely endorse and think would be a good thing'

unironically, do you even hear yourself.

Well, now that lines have been drawn anything they do is a stupid political statement, staying is a leftie statement, going is a rightie statement, but if this con keeps burning the smartest BUSINESS choice would be to bail. Just give some bullshit reason and nobody who matters will care.

Anyway I think we should probably stop this infighting before someone goes too far and gets banned.

 

[El Rrata]

Nothing stands unless you defend it.

I get where you are coming from, but from my experience it is a hopelessly optimistic point of view to think defending it does anything. Look what happened to every community that has been "defended" thus far in similar situations (comics, gamergate, anime whatever).

Defending doesn't do shit except bring more attention to shit-stirrers and trolls. it just ends up as an endless back and forth slapfight as people continue to feed the trolls. Just like with literally any drama, it is better to do nothing at all and wait for the idiots to get bored than to engage with them.

I was far more miserable, jaded, and stressed investing my time in those shitshows than I ever was once I decided to focus my attention literally anywhere else.

 

[The Proctor]

The fact that in record time it has been picked up by tards like Grummz, Niche Gamer or Karbutus of stop SBI fame wont be a sympathetic light to people outside the garden of light politic sperging like 99% of Corpo or Indie watchers.

Why is this a bad thing? Those people have either deliberately made themselves irrelevant by choosing (perceived) fame over principles or are change agents themselves. If they won't stand up for an incredibly clear-cut, obvious and transparent attempt at censorship by an engine that they themselves know will eventually come for them, then my response is simply to quote Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars: Although the so-called "moral issues" were raised, in view of the law of natural selection it was agreed that a nation or world of people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence. Such people are beasts of burden and steaks on the table by choice and consent.

Now, if they had invited Mana or Marina to do a panel on "Collective LGBT Antifa Gardening" id understand the double standard to an extent but at the end of the day, Kirsche made her bed with choosing to be a politisperg, and will be treated like one by people who dislike them regardless of leaning.

Why would they need to? They are already fully indoctrinated or surrounded by passive sheep who will swallow whatever slop they are given. It is assumed by default that you are accepting and enabling that kind of thing simply by giving them your dollars and your attention. Activists do not preach to the converted, they attack their enemies on their home territory.

 

[MiscellaneousVaried]

I'm wondering what Idol offered her that Phase couldn't .

Being able to retain ownership of her ( Chikafuji Lisa ) Vtuber IP , as mentioned in this post by Aviel Basin the Ceo and Founder Of Idol Corp Vtuber Agency : here the message that explains it's : , Those the Contract Duration time is Extended in Exchange :
And here an Archive of the Message : https://ghostarchive.org/archive/cGJCs

 

[Awoogers]

Holy shit that's a lot of words

Thank God I can't read

 

[NeneHATE]

Holy shit that's a lot of words

Thank God I can't read

God made you retarded for a reason my child, you shall end all conflicts in the world and bring about an era of peace and understanding.

 

[Awoogers]

God made you retarded for a reason my child, you shall end all conflicts in the world and bring about an era of peace and understanding.

Forget everything else and watch anime women be funny

It's that easy really

 

[The Proctor]

I get where you are coming from, but from my experience it is a hopelessly optimistic point of view to think defending it does anything. Look what happened to every community that has been "defended" thus far in similar situations (comics, gamergate, anime whatever).

Yes, that is completely correct. I cannot dispute this at all.

I want to say also that I'm not trying to target or attack you, specifically here. I am ranting at the universe at large in many ways. You have every right to disengage. You should be able to disengage, and it's an awful world where that has become almost impossible.

Literally the only thing I would ask is that you not be a doomer. Yes, there have been losses in the past, but progress comes from looking back at why those losses occurred and how to prevent them in future. This is something I, Kirsche and others talk about a lot. Please don't assume we're just banging the same war-drums over and over with the hope that they'll produce a different tune.

 

[El Rrata]

Well, now that lines have been drawn anything they do is a stupid political statement, staying is a leftie statement, going is a rightie statement, but if this con keeps burning the smartest BUSINESS choice would be to bail. Just give some bullshit reason and nobody who matters will care.

Anyway I think we should probably stop this infighting before someone goes too far and gets banned.

Getting kicked early from offkai was secretly a Niji W all along.

Excerrent.

 

[NeneHATE]

Forget everything else and watch anime women be funny

It's that easy really

PREACH KING!

Getting kicked early from offkai was secretly a Niji W all along.

Excerrent.

All according to keikaku (Tl note: Keikaku means plan)

RRAT TIME: MAYBE NIJI PLANTED THE LEFTY VOLUNTEERS IN OFFKAI TO GET THEIR REVENGE?

 

[Superduper Samurai]

Why is this a bad thing? Those people have either deliberately made themselves irrelevant by choosing (perceived) fame over principles or are change agents themselves. If they won't stand up for an incredibly clear-cut, obvious and transparent attempt at censorship by an engine that they themselves know will eventually come for them, then my response is simply to quote Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars: Although the so-called "moral issues" were raised, in view of the law of natural selection it was agreed that a nation or world of people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence. Such people are beasts of burden and steaks on the table by choice and consent.

Because they are not entirely principled and just looking to get on the newest retard war controversy they can use to get their names out, usually for money. Not everyone who does these shoutouts or participates in these discussions actually is there for the actual principle of the thing, i mentioned those specifically because they picked up a cult of personality around opposing the current thing and are either incompetent out of retardation or to keep a grift going, regardless if you agree or not them talking about the scene like they will is just going to introduce meaningless retards who just want to feel righteous about opposing le libtards.

Why would they need to? They are already fully indoctrinated or surrounded by passive sheep who will swallow whatever slop they are given. It is assumed by default that you are accepting and enabling that kind of thing simply by giving them your dollars and your attention. Activists do not preach to the converted, they attack their enemies on their home territory.

Because Marina was a client, i think mentioning Mana was my b, but i would've agreed and raised my eyebrow further at this if we got some implications that Kirsche got blacklisted over a larger client threatening to quit and not seemingly Offkai being too cheap to hire anyone who isnt a raging fag.

 

[VSoyBoy]

The fact that in record time it has been picked up by tards like Grummz, Niche Gamer or Karbutus of stop SBI fame wont be a sympathetic light to people outside the politic sperging enjoyers like 99% of Corpo or Indie watchers.

You can gleam a lot about your character by looking at the people rushing to your rescue. I could be very confident in my position, but once only Proctor, Rev and some other choice grifters come to my help, I would assume I did something wrong along the way.

 

[NeneHATE]

You can gleam a lot about your character by looking at the people rushing to your rescue. I could be very confident in my position, but once only Proctor, Rev and some other choice grifters come to my help, I would assume I did something wrong along the way.

Holy fuck that stings.

 

[Limkin]

Getting kicked early from offkai was secretly a Niji W all along.

Excerrent.

They will make their own convention, with mahjong and concubines. The average volunteer will be significantly more yellow and with smaller eyes, but don't dwell too much on details. At least there will be guaranteed attendance instead of empty halls

 

[Superduper Samurai]

They will make their own convention, with mahjong and concubines. The average volunteer will be significantly more yellow and with smaller eyes, but don't dwell too much on details. At least there will be guaranteed attendance instead of empty halls

the average Nijicon (no not the SEA one) volunteer will be a 12 year old who they say is 30 whenever the authorities start to notice and they will not pay him for 36 months

 

[Bronze]

Doki has an announcement