General Thread v2: Enhanced Segregation Techniques!

[Limkin]

You can't "put someone under NDA", it's not how they work. If it's not written, and she didn't sign it, then it's irrelevant. You can also challenge them, just like any contract, in a court if you think it's unlawful. There is nothing that prohibits you from putting whatever you want in a contract, Apple had a clause where you are supposed to provide sexual services to any employee that shows up to your house in their ToS agreement, just as a way to point out no one fucking reads them. They were right and it was there for years before anyone noticed it. But just because it is in a contract doesn't mean it can be enforced, or will be enforced. Any lawyer worth a damn can easily convince their boss to put as much scary big words into it to persuade employees into doing nothing bad to the company. It's their job, they are hired to cover up the ass.
Rule #1 - read the fucking contract before signing it
Rule #2 - ask a lawyer (some firms provide free assistant, some have very unexpensive services specifically for this) to skim through it and point out obviously bad things. He studied it for years to help people, you are a moron who probably didn't even open Consitution. Guess who will do better job
Rule #3 - don't hesitate to bring up problematic clauses and discuss either removing them, or putting stop measures to prevent them from being exploited in company's favor
Rule #4 - if you did neither of this it's your fault you got screwed over. You will get screwed over if you did neither of this

 

[RestlessRain]

Hime has some real chaotic energy going after her diagnosis stream:

 

[Cubanodun]

Welcome to Phase Molest hamster, you will fit right in

 

[famous artist pipkun]

whats with the yuri Advertisement disguised as gossip? I thought she was doing good as nano

 

[smartestkidontheshortbus]

You can't "put someone under NDA", it's not how they work. If it's not written, and she didn't sign it, then it's irrelevant. You can also challenge them, just like any contract, in a court if you think it's unlawful. There is nothing that prohibits you from putting whatever you want in a contract, Apple had a clause where you are supposed to provide sexual services to any employee that shows up to your house in their ToS agreement, just as a way to point out no one fucking reads them. They were right and it was there for years before anyone noticed it. But just because it is in a contract doesn't mean it can be enforced, or will be enforced. Any lawyer worth a damn can easily convince their boss to put as much scary big words into it to persuade employees into doing nothing bad to the company. It's their job, they are hired to cover up the ass.
Rule #1 - read the fucking contract before signing it
Rule #2 - ask a lawyer (some firms provide free assistant, some have very unexpensive services specifically for this) to skim through it and point out obviously bad things. He studied it for years to help people, you are a moron who probably didn't even open Consitution. Guess who will do better job
Rule #3 - don't hesitate to bring up problematic clauses and discuss either removing them, or putting stop measures to prevent them from being exploited in company's favor
Rule #4 - if you did neither of this it's your fault you got screwed over. You will get screwed over if you did neither of this

Getting a quick read is usually less than $100. Having a lawyer negotiate for you will probably cap out under $5k. If you're a corporate vtuber, or thinking of going corporate remember this. You're talking in terms of tens of thousands over the first year at a mid sized corpo. Bite the bullet.
Edit: also Nano probably gave all vtubers the greatest advise anyone could give. Make sure you know whether you are W2 or 1099 (in the US), and if not in the US that your company is giving you the proper tax information. The difference between an independent contractor and an employee is vast. Both in terms of legal protections and tax deductible expenses.

 

[Pioneer]

An Azki a day keeps the doctor away

Speaking of AZKi, SorAZ major debut album (preview part2) released today along with a new MV

They also said on stream today that tickets to their concert on 01/27 are sold out, which is obviously good news .
I'm still waiting on another solo concert though, it's been over 2 years now...

 

[frz]

Is this about Phase or Idol? I don't think Phase spread lies about Yuri(at least not public).

You think Idol would really fit "well regarded by everybody ever"?

You can't "put someone under NDA", it's not how they work. If it's not written, and she didn't sign it, then it's irrelevant. You can also challenge them, just like any contract, in a court if you think it's unlawful. There is nothing that prohibits you from putting whatever you want in a contract, Apple had a clause where you are supposed to provide sexual services to any employee that shows up to your house in their ToS agreement, just as a way to point out no one fucking reads them. They were right and it was there for years before anyone noticed it. But just because it is in a contract doesn't mean it can be enforced, or will be enforced. Any lawyer worth a damn can easily convince their boss to put as much scary big words into it to persuade employees into doing nothing bad to the company. It's their job, they are hired to cover up the ass.
Rule #1 - read the fucking contract before signing it
Rule #2 - ask a lawyer (some firms provide free assistant, some have very unexpensive services specifically for this) to skim through it and point out obviously bad things. He studied it for years to help people, you are a moron who probably didn't even open Consitution. Guess who will do better job
Rule #3 - don't hesitate to bring up problematic clauses and discuss either removing them, or putting stop measures to prevent them from being exploited in company's favor
Rule #4 - if you did neither of this it's your fault you got screwed over. You will get screwed over if you did neither of this

You absolutely can, it's the tactics every corpos uses, threatening to sue to shut people up, even normal people with 0 corpos backing does it. Noone wants to deal with getting sued and spending thousands of dollars defending themselves, even more so for the autist, hikikomori being known as vtubers. They can't even walk outside without breaking down, much less spending weeks/months in a courtroom.

Though most people don't follow up with their frivilous cases & threats (except for big corpos they will ALWAYS do it), you are rolling the dice on whether Sakana is ruthless enough to do it.

And even if they didnt go public, they can still spread shit behind the scene. Reminder small western vtubing is an incestous circle where everyone knows each other.

 

[RestlessRain]

Getting a quick read is usually less than $100. Having a lawyer negotiate for you will probably cap out under $5k. If you're a corporate vtuber, or thinking of going corporate remember this. You're talking in terms of tens of thousands over the first year at a mid sized corpo. Bite the bullet.

I really have my doubts about Fishman offering out bad contracts. Most talents have been there for over a year and have signed multiple contracts to continue to be with Phase. Even if you mistakenly signed a single bad contract, there's nothing stopping you from graduating after a year (like several other small corpos who lose their talents after a year) and we've only had one person do that. Oh, and if bad contacts were being offered to potential talents, that shit would have long leaked out.

So, a big X to doubt Phase having shady contacts.

 

[VTuberThrow]

/pcg/s ponifag is processing the vod for the lia gorilla collab.

Man. Sleepy Airi hits so good. This was a great VOD, thank you.

 

[DanishCookies]

 

[Aquatic Novellite]

Don't you dare! That's stolen valor, he hasn't held enough shekels in his life to be chosen!

I have seen far too many ashkenazi rants about sephardi being welfare leeches whose women spend their entire lives being pregnant to produce more welfare leeches to believe this.

 

[famous artist pipkun]

You think Idol would really fit "well regarded by everybody ever"?

You absolutely can, it's the tactics every corpos uses, threatening to sue to shut people up, even normal people with 0 corpos backing does it. Noone wants to deal with getting sued and spending thousands of dollars defending themselves, even more so for the autist, hikokimori being known as vtubers. They can't even walk outside without breaking down, much less spending weeks/months in a courtroom.

Though most people don't follow up with their frivilous cases & threats (except for big corpos they will ALWAYS do it), you are rolling the dice on whether Sakana is ruthless enough to do it.

And even if they didnt go public, they can still spread shit behind the scene. Reminder small western vtubing is an incestous circle where everyone knows each other.

vt, kf and tva exist for propagating propaganda. plenty of options to diseminate info but turn about is fairplay. What if yuri was the polina pippa doxer? would you want her head?

shes from manitoba right? maybe on one trip to the phase office she used her teeth too much.

 

[agility_]

@Negzana where you at
Why the fuck is your oshi so cute. And what the fuck is this language called Thai
Their real alphabet is just a bunch of worms and their romanized words is literally "txng" "trwc" because vowels are too mainstream

Thai is a lot like French; the letters are there to indicate a suggestion of an idea of what a word represents. It's up to you to know by memory how to pronounce the things.

เสื้อ - /suueh/ : a shirt
เสือ - /souueh/ : a tiger

 

[Kuri Rinji]

It's been a long time since a update since she got a manager that kept her bullshit contained to her mind. Seems said manager has let his guard down recently.

Spoiler

 

[DanishCookies]

Uhhh

 

[smartestkidontheshortbus]

I really have my doubts about Fishman offering out bad contracts. Most talents have been there for over a year and have signed multiple contracts to continue to be with Phase. Even if you mistakenly signed a single contract, there's nothing stopping you from graduating after a year (like a lot of other small corpos who lose their talents after a year) and we've only had one person do that. Oh, and if bad contacts were being offered to potential talents, that shit would have long leaked out.

So, a big X to doubt Phase having shady contacts.

A contract can be fair and still be disadvantageous. An NDA even if extremely minor ,DDK glossed over Hololive's NDA disallowing a person making a direct connection between their personal and HL accounts, is still restricting a right, and thus a point to attack on negotiation/ renegotiation. If you're on the low end or the high end of earning on revenue being able to leverage an extra 5% could drastically change your income, or you could use that leverage for a benefits package.

 

[masterstocking]

Aww, the sweet little towl is growing up so fast



Yeah, hug on that winter



How Kromantic

 

[famous artist pipkun]

Uhhh

not that hard, we got an airfrier at work recently and they burned their mozzeralla sticks, had to use a fire extinguisher. people use the timings for a conventional oven instead of pan cook minus 2 or 3 minutes.

 

[naganon]

I reiterated to Hexa that she should never say anything that she doesn't want on the forum unless it is a completely private place (and no discord doesn't count). I know that is pretty since she can't seem to help herself.

 

[The Proctor]

Yes. Panko, xalamon and other people said that she was fired due receiving money/goods as a phase character without running through phase and giving them their cut

They have not. Nobody has ever said this.

all she said was that if people were to know what went down it would hurt yuri and she was more pissed about people calling phase a black company than the firing itself.

Exactly.

Just to elaborate, if fishman really did dirty to Yuri, Yuri can hire a lawyer and fuck with Phase Connect, like what Sayu did with Niji black company.

But no, Yuri/nanobites will only did some vague posting about 'careful when you signed a contract with a vtuber company, because i have similar experiences' in twitter, but she do not dare to elaborate any shits at all. It just show Yuri's narrative is unreliable

Heck, if Tenma did not stand up and defend Yuri at all (everyone knew Tenma loves to fuck with Fishman if fishman did weird shit), it really shows Yuri has some serious problem

Sayu could only make that document because she exploited an unbelievably tenuous legal loophole that only really works because of the distinction between her character persona and her as an actual person. It was the loudest 'I AM UNDER AN NDA AND WILL BE SUED IF I SAY ANYTHING ELSE' dogwhistle she could have blown, and any legal professional will tell you even that was an enormous risk. Even then, all she did was refer to things that were explicitly still affecting her current persona in the form of malicious rumours. If she had gone even one letter further or named a single name she would undoubtedly have been sued.

As it is, there's been plausible speculation from many people, including some artists and other people who work with Nijisanji, that Sayu's documentation caused an explosive change to how Nijisanji handled PR, and as a result talents are now hugely restricted in what they can say and do. /vt/, in one of its very rare moments of contributing something vaguely useful, have had their eyes on the newest generation and noted how stilted and awkward their communications with fans have been ever since the Sayu document dropped. This is not anything more than reasonably informed speculation but in my opinion there's zero chance Sayu's document didn't result in huge new restrictions being placed on a 100+ member company.

That kind of shit will get a lot of people to hate you, passionately, for the rest of your life. And all she did was vaguepost in such an extreme fashion that none of her document would read as more than fanfiction without a great deal of external context, strung together into a coherent narrative by other people who had witnessed it all live and were able to provide interpretation.

Can you disprove this then? This was in a semi-open discord where one of phase higher ups didn't denied the claim and said that they're separating sakana cut.

You have repeatedly and constantly made the logical fallacy that 'not denying' something equates to 'it being true'. Phase has absolutely no obligation to defend Yuri in any way. She is no longer a talent. They do not pay her, she does not make them money, etc. They have no reason to confirm or deny anything. Their silence is perfectly logical from both a legal and non-legal perspective. Legally speaking, if they say anything, then she could claim they were making her NDA invalid by using it as an excuse to spread rumours about her that she can't refute.

Remember, an NDA works for both refutations and affirmations. If she is completely innocent, she still can't technically say she is innocent, because that would still be referring to something her NDA doesn't let her talk about.

All this assumes she is under an NDA, which cannot be conclusively proven. But given the facts, she is either under an NDA or is one of the most retarded people in the entire industry who is wilfully and deliberately destroying herself for no reason. I was angry at her too for not coming clean after her termination, but with hindsight and more knowledge of the legal nature of an NDA, I'm actually kicking myself for not connecting the dots sooner and hate the fact I was once all aboard the 'retarded bunny threw away a golden ticket lololol' train.

tl;dr; I hate this loop and am really tired of seeing the same info brought back up all the time, months after the situation has massively evolved.