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EIEN Project Disintegrates
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This shit is fucking retarded and will fall apart immediately. What they're offering boils down to paying them upfront for the the indie experience, but with more middlemen.
I don't know man, my patience for these virtue-signal projects is dead in the water at this point. We get it, you don't like other corpos, and you want to make your own one with blackjack and hookers. But when one of the first selling points is "freedom", I know they have nothing substantial to offer, and the thought process for the business hasn't made it past the "farm brownie points on Twitter" stage.
I don't want to dismiss the idea out of hand but I feel like they're using terminology which is obscuring how things will actually run, which seems to be that you will pay for management and "corpo benefits" (editing, merch production, sponsorship hunting) up front rather than from a cut of your earnings, much how indies pay traditional indie managers, editors, etc. But by using the word "audition" when it's really more like you apply for their services, and by using the word "corpo" in the first place, they're putting a corpo veneer on something which is nothing like a corpo in almost all respects. And it seems to be done in such a way that it's really hard to give them the benefit of the doubt that it's not being done intentionally, even though I don't understand what they stand to gain by confusing their potential
Unrelatedly, someone in the groomcord reminded me why the name Pippin Otter was familiar - apparently this was the chick who went on Ethan Ralph's show to slag on vtubers back when he was feuding with them for some fucking reason. That gives a lot of different types of people reason to have doubts about her character - I sure do. And of course we also know about Blaise's stability as of late.
tldr: Maybe not a bad idea but so far poorly communicated and owned by human land mines.
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A sekturfag trying to run a corpo sounds like a spectacular shitshow. They now have my interest
My worry is more that Blaise has a record of scamming her audience with donothons then running away before she completes even simple tasks, and by the look of things she's involved in some way as a staff member
Wait, so the actual "employees" of this company aren't going to be paid? The business model here is to take a vtuber's money to connect them to managers, editors, vocal coaches, and so on who will work "for exposure?"
I really hope I'm just further misunderstanding this.
I'm sure there are plenty of people who would be happy to work in the industry "for exposure" (read as: to groom a tiny 2 view.)Wait, so the actual "employees" of this company aren't going to be paid? The business model here is to take a vtuber's money to connect them to managers, editors, vocal coaches, and so on who will work "for exposure?"
I really hope I'm just further misunderstanding this.
Look, every other short-sighted vtuber collective with plenty of heckin' transparency and wholesome chungus freedom might have either disappeared into nothing or imploded spectacularly, but you can totally trust this one!
This distrust is actually giving me some hope, if only a small pinch of it. One of my greatest frustrations with this industry, over the past year, is that far too many prospective vtubers have blindly walked into new corporations who've been covered in red flags. It's always either a malicious CEO on a power trip, or an amateur well-meaning but too-good-to-be-sustainable arrangement, every fucking time, and the part that fucks with me is that it's not just complete retards who've been falling for this. Most of these talents are perfectly capable streamers rather than the technically-incompetent, monotonous rambling drones you'd expect a no-name company to have to settle for; too many good people have been anchored down by unfitting management.
If there's enough distrust in the community that it's starting to get to her, that's a good thing. It means more people are thinking critically about the available options, rather than aimlessly jumping onto the first sinking ship they see because they think it's better than having no ship at all.
"Hey, you know Takanashi Kiara's KFP bit? Where she runs this dystopian business where the employees pay her for the honor of working there?"
"Yeah?“
"Let's pitch our business exactly like that!"
"KFP but for real! Genius!"
Although I guess they did tone it down eventually so the managers don't actually have to pay the owners for the honor of working there.
Yet.
"Yeah?“
"Let's pitch our business exactly like that!"
"KFP but for real! Genius!"
Although I guess they did tone it down eventually so the managers don't actually have to pay the owners for the honor of working there.
Yet.
So they posted that the standard monthly fee will be $200 and gave a long list of benefits we can expect to get for that $200 (one list is in the tweet above but this more detailed list is from a later one in the thread):
I would expect to pay more than $200 for many of these things alone, particularly the editing and thumbnails, and of course anything related to merch. (Edit: Also the image attached to the tweet I quoted from promises "1 monthly vocal mixing/instrumental master" which I would also expect to be more than $200 on its own.) But seeing as how they seem to be expecting the people doing that work to be doing it for free somehow, I guess it works out. The line "All revenue from Talent Contracts is put into a fund spent ONLY on KokoSoko official projects" seems to support the idea that none of that $200 will be going towards the "creatives" doing all that work.
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This "graphic design is my passion" presentation slide is not inspiring confidence.
Someone is going to sign up for this.
KokoSoko will fail to deliver something or a lot of things.
That someone is going to ask if can have part of the $200 fee back since promised work wasn't delivered. The real shitshow will start then.
Okay, looking through KokoSoko's tweets, I noticed now that I conflated two of them and made some incorrect assumptions, so let's clear the air. Let's look at the two tweets in question:
This tweet states that "creatives" is the term that KokoSoko uses for managers and assistants, and these people will be unpaid.
This tweet solicits artists to partner with, with a "negotiated discount on commissions." This implies that artists, which in replies to this tweet are implied to include music producers and other creative types, are separate from "creatives" (because if there's some way that this company can be confusing, they will do so), and will be paid - at certain rates, anyway.
So my previous statements about how artists and editors and so on won't be paid were incorrect - it looks like it might work similar to an insurance company where they'll be like "you may bill us $15 for two thumbnails" - but I still believe the discounted rates will mean that they will depriorotize this work relative to work they can get for better rates outside the company.
Anyway, this stuff is only tangentially related to EIEN. Should we shunt it into a separate thread?
This tweet states that "creatives" is the term that KokoSoko uses for managers and assistants, and these people will be unpaid.
This tweet solicits artists to partner with, with a "negotiated discount on commissions." This implies that artists, which in replies to this tweet are implied to include music producers and other creative types, are separate from "creatives" (because if there's some way that this company can be confusing, they will do so), and will be paid - at certain rates, anyway.
So my previous statements about how artists and editors and so on won't be paid were incorrect - it looks like it might work similar to an insurance company where they'll be like "you may bill us $15 for two thumbnails" - but I still believe the discounted rates will mean that they will depriorotize this work relative to work they can get for better rates outside the company.
Anyway, this stuff is only tangentially related to EIEN. Should we shunt it into a separate thread?
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