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Horo7618 · Friday at 4:36 PM

The Proctor said:
Similar things happen in vtubing a lot, except the standards of Due Process are decided by an arbitrary group of unelected corporate entities who never allow public trials or disclosure. I severely dislike this status quo, but I also understand why it happens. It's not fun knowledge to have. It doesn't make my life any happier to know that truth is often sacrificed in the name of convenience or career sustainability. It sucks. It's depressing. I wish it wasn't so.

This is hardly something specific to vtubing, it's just like if someone at work asks you if you're looking for a new job. The only sensible answer is no, no matter what you're actually planning. Vtubers often have the option of not answering shit like that at all, and usually should, but you can't realistically blame someone for "lying" in a situation like that, and characterizing it alongside actual dishonesty is kinda disingenuous....

Superduper Samurai · Friday at 4:41 PM

Punished Anime Discusser said:
You really want Skynet to kill us all after being fed Proctor ramblings and Azehara posts at the same time?

I have a feeling it would do the opposite and make the AI more retarded

CalciumAnimal · Friday at 4:41 PM

Azehara said:
Talents lie all the time. How many times have you seen that get posted here talking about things being great and fun and suddenly they hit you with a graduation 1 month down the line because the corporation has been harassing and abusing them? Its not about "who hurt you" and more about "this shit has happened so much that it should be the norm" unless proven otherwise.

but.... Oh wait your Axehera :smugpipi:

nice try weirdo.

La+ de Central Norte said:
When a Puerto Negro its about to quote half the forum to say nothing:
View attachment 95218

Thanks for summing it up so I don't have to.

As Superduper Samurai said dealing with extreme absolutes is pretty fucking stupid then again your the retard who was told to stop touching shit and decided to lick it instead.

agility_ said:
Has anyone attempted to summarize Azeharaposts with the help of AI.

Ai needs Coherent Text to use all i see is gibberish.

Phantasm · Friday at 4:41 PM

agility_ said:
Has anyone attempted to summarize Azeharaposts with the help of AI.

The provided text is a forum discussion within the VTuber community, focusing on trust, intellectual property (IP) ownership, and online presence dynamics. Here’s a concise summary of the key points:

Trust Issues (NeneLOVE vs. CalciumAnimal): NeneLOVE distrusts VTuber talents, citing instances where talents downplayed corporate issues only for problems like sudden graduations or mistreatment to emerge later. CalciumAnimal argues talents are generally trustworthy unless proven otherwise, as lying typically requires a motive.
IP Ownership Debate (bothyourhouses, frz, MerelyTourist): Users compare VTuber characters to traditional roles like Jack Sparrow. VTuber personas are deeply personal, unlike roles written by others, leading to debates about talents owning their IP. Some argue talents should retain rights to reference their roles post-departure, despite corporate ownership. NDAs are criticized for limiting talents’ ability to claim credit, though Japanese legal reforms may address this.
Social Media vs. Streaming Success (Phantasm): Phantasm questions if Twitter (X) followings translate to stream viewership, noting VTubers with large Twitter audiences often have low stream views. This is attributed to platform differences and minimal audience overlap, similar to YouTube vs. Twitch disparities.
Corporate Contracts and PR (ZerroDefex): Speculation arises about Nijisanji potentially letting contracts for talents like Twisty expire strategically to avoid PR backlash during new wave debuts.
Mental Health and Legal Action (Piava): A user discusses a VTuber’s stream addressing a traumatic situation, possibly involving a family member’s suicide, expressing hope for her mental recovery and potential legal action against a mental health institute.
Kayfabe and Persona Separation (Phantasm): A VTuber maintains strict separation between their real and virtual personas, emphasizing kayfabe (in-character performance) to keep their identities distinct.

Overall, the discussion highlights tensions between VTuber talents, corporations, and fans, focusing on trust, IP control, and the challenges of navigating online platforms while maintaining personal and professional boundaries.

CalciumAnimal · Friday at 4:45 PM

Phantasm said:
The provided text is a forum discussion within the VTuber community, focusing on trust, intellectual property (IP) ownership, and online presence dynamics. Here’s a concise summary of the key points:

Trust Issues (NeneLOVE vs. CalciumAnimal): NeneLOVE distrusts VTuber talents, citing instances where talents downplayed corporate issues only for problems like sudden graduations or mistreatment to emerge later. CalciumAnimal argues talents are generally trustworthy unless proven otherwise, as lying typically requires a motive.

IP Ownership Debate (bothyourhouses, frz, MerelyTourist): Users compare VTuber characters to traditional roles like Jack Sparrow. VTuber personas are deeply personal, unlike roles written by others, leading to debates about talents owning their IP. Some argue talents should retain rights to reference their roles post-departure, despite corporate ownership. NDAs are criticized for limiting talents’ ability to claim credit, though Japanese legal reforms may address this.

Social Media vs. Streaming Success (Phantasm): Phantasm questions if Twitter (X) followings translate to stream viewership, noting VTubers with large Twitter audiences often have low stream views. This is attributed to platform differences and minimal audience overlap, similar to YouTube vs. Twitch disparities.

Corporate Contracts and PR (ZerroDefex): Speculation arises about Nijisanji potentially letting contracts for talents like Twisty expire strategically to avoid PR backlash during new wave debuts.

Mental Health and Legal Action (Piava): A user discusses a VTuber’s stream addressing a traumatic situation, possibly involving a family member’s suicide, expressing hope for her mental recovery and potential legal action against a mental health institute.

Kayfabe and Persona Separation (Phantasm): A VTuber maintains strict separation between their real and virtual personas, emphasizing kayfabe (in-character performance) to keep their identities distinct.

Overall, the discussion highlights tensions between VTuber talents, corporations, and fans, focusing on trust, IP control, and the challenges of navigating online platforms while maintaining personal and professional boundaries.

There you go by grok

I was arguing against Proctard not Nene. Even if i could out argue Nene I don't want to risk tainted burritos for the rest of my life.

Ai once again failed to take into account I'm a fucking coward.

Phantasm · Friday at 5:00 PM

CalciumAnimal said:
I was arguing against Proctard not Nene. Even if i could out argue Nene I don't want to risk tainted burritos for the rest of my life.

Ai once again failed to take into account I'm a fucking coward.

Probably because all I fed it was Azehera's post and Proctor isn't mentioned there

NeneLOVE · Friday at 5:06 PM

Phantasm said:
IP Ownership Debate (bothyourhouses, frz, MerelyTourist)

Sounds like a brainlet competition ngl.

Moth Enjoyer V2 · Friday at 5:07 PM

UUUUUUUUU JUNI IS BACK UUUUUUUUUU

ZerroDefex · Friday at 5:11 PM

More R.E.P.O. (unfortunately Daiya is MIA.)

Multiview

Piava · Friday at 5:17 PM

Grandmaster Robin said:
The Elfin doc is funny when you get to the part when all the men she was sexting get together to confront her

I've been skipping some pages since I was pretty busy the last couple of days. Did this bitch finally get outed as a femcel larping grifter, or what's the doc about? I've read something about her sexting some viewers somewhere. Would appreciate, if you could provide some links/archives.

Phantasm · Friday at 5:23 PM

Piava said:
I've been skipping alot of the pages since I was pretty busy the last couple of days. Did this bitch finally get outed as a femcel larping grifter, or what's the doc about? I've read something about her sexting some viewers somewhere. Would appreciate, if you could provide some links/archives.

She engaged in e-dating with several Discord members, including having phone sex with them. I don't know if she did this with some others, but she met at least one in person. When she grew bored, she broke up with them and convinced the other members that they were obsessive stalkers or groomers upset she rejected them. However, she did these repeatedly and several of them afterwards got together, compared their experiences, and found out she's a lying whore.

NeneLOVE · Friday at 5:23 PM

Phantasm said:
She engaged in e-dating with several Discord members, including having phone sex with them. I don't know if she did this with others, but she met at least one in person. When she grew bored, she broke up with them and convinced the other members that they were obsessive stalkers or groomers upset by rejection. However, she did these repeatedly , several of them got together, compared their experiences, and found out she's a lying whore.

Classic woman behavior.

Phantasm · Friday at 5:32 PM

Since I've already did it with Azhera's post I've decide to have chatgpt summarize this doc for us as well so here you go

The PDF titled "elfin-doco" is a lengthy, personal exposé authored by someone using the alias AvgBirdEnjoyer. It details their experiences with a streamer named Elfinpsyop, documenting what the author alleges to be manipulative and inappropriate behavior over the course of a year-long personal and online relationship.

Core Summary

Purpose of the Document: Initially intended as a private warning, the document was made public after a statement by Elfinpsyop that the author perceived as slanderous. The document aims to clear the author's name, warn others, and document Elfinpsyop's alleged misconduct.
Main Allegation: The author accuses Elfinpsyop of engaging in flirtatious and sexual interactions with multiple members of her fanbase, then turning on them by making accusations (e.g., grooming, manipulation) once the relationships soured — allegedly to preserve her public image and career.
Named Individuals: Six individuals (including the author) are identified as having been involved in intimate or sexual exchanges with Elfinpsyop: AvgBirdEnjoyer, Merrick, Shovelbreath, Lauchlan, Captcha, and Sako.

Timeline & Key Events

March–June 2024

The author meets Elfin through her Discord server and streams.
Their relationship escalates from casual conversation to flirtation and sexual interactions (explicit messages, calls, and images), mostly initiated by Elfin while intoxicated.
The author tries to maintain emotional distance but admits engaging in flirtatious behavior.
He learns of similar interactions between Elfin and Merrick, leading to tension.

July–September 2024

The Merrick incident and its fallout cause a rift.
The author expresses concern over Elfin's involvement with another viewer (Shovelbreath), which Elfin downplays.
Elfin and the author plan to meet in person, and she resumes flirtatious behavior.
Similar concerns arise around another fan, Captcha.

October–December 2024

More viewers are banned or distanced, and the author suspects Elfin is lying to multiple people about the nature of their relationships.
The author and Elfin finally meet in person during his second UK trip. She gives a clear rejection during that visit — her only one, he claims.

January–March 2025

The author and another person (Sako) confirm through discussion that they had similar experiences with Elfin.
Information is shared with a mutual contact (Bean), who uncovers further discrepancies and manipulations.
The document is compiled after Elfin begins contacting others to control the narrative once she finds out about the exposé.

Recurring Themes & Evidence

Pattern of Behavior: Elfin allegedly initiates sexual relationships with fans, maintains emotional ambiguity, and then vilifies them after ending the interaction.
Manipulation: According to the author, Elfin uses her position as a streamer to build intimacy, then lies to cover up overlapping relationships.
Gaslighting & Victimization: The author presents messages where Elfin appears to deflect blame and claim victimhood, even when confronted with evidence.
Double Standards: She allegedly rejects responsibility by citing intoxication and powerlessness, while simultaneously continuing similar behavior with others.

Conclusion

The author asserts that while Elfin is free to live her life, her position of influence as a streamer comes with responsibilities, especially when it comes to interacting with fans. He claims this exposé is necessary because private interventions failed and she continues to engage in risky and harmful behavior.

He emphasizes that he is not seeking to ruin her career, but to provide transparency for the community so individuals can make informed decisions about supporting or interacting with her.

TLDR: The document is a personal exposé written by a former moderator and close associate of the streamer Elfinpsyop, accusing her of engaging in manipulative, sexualized relationships with multiple fans while maintaining a facade of exclusivity and later discrediting them with false accusations. The author details his own year-long experience with her, including emotional manipulation, sharing of explicit content, and a pattern of behavior where Elfin allegedly gaslit, vilified, or discarded those she became intimate with. He claims the document is meant to protect others in her community by revealing her actions, asserting it’s not an attack but a necessary act of transparency.

Piava · Friday at 5:37 PM

Piava said:
Pretty much the same shit that Hexa did.

Phantasm said:
She engaged in e-dating with several Discord members

Wow, I'm so surprised.
It only took about 2 weeks to confirm my suspicion about this grifting whore.
Edit: I hope she ends up like Hexa and all of her bullshit gets exposed to the public.
Call me a hater, but people like her deserve every negative attention they get.

Phantasm · Friday at 5:39 PM

Piava said:
Wow, I'm so surprised.
It only took about 2 weeks to confirm my suspicion about this grifting whore.

Femcels don't exist I've seen the nastiest ugliest most disgusting bitches get dicked so frequently that I can only believe the reason a woman isn't getting some is because they're incapable of giving the barest amount of effort

The Proctor · Friday at 5:40 PM

Piava said:
The most famous example is of course @naganon

Piava said:
Wow, I'm so surprised.

~~Naganon was never even part of Hexa's innermost circle of groomers. He couldn't afford the 500$ a month bill for access to it. He was just a janny for her.~~ I was wrong.

NeneLOVE · Friday at 5:43 PM

The Proctor said:
Naganon was never even part of Hexa's innermost circle of groomers. He couldn't afford the 500$ a month bill for access to it. He was just a janny for her.

That is actually really depressing lol, imagine going to bat for a fat drunk that much but to get close to her you either fork over 500 bucks or work for free like a filthy jannie... People really need to start having sex again.

Phantasm · Friday at 5:45 PM

NeneLOVE said:
work for free like a filthy jannie...

The Proctor · Friday at 5:49 PM

NeneLOVE said:
That is actually really depressing lol, imagine going to bat for a fat drunk that much but to get close to her you either fork over 500 bucks or work for free like a filthy jannie... People really need to start having sex again.

A fat drunk who had an IRL boyfriend the entire time and was bragging to her friends about how much money she was able to spend on him due to her simps.

Azehara · Friday at 5:49 PM

NeneLOVE said:
Yeah that's the thing.

When the talents say something bad, or their words are misconstrued or taken out of context to be negative (like with Lamy that one time) EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER is there with a microphone to broadcast the negativity as much as possible.

When the talents say something good, and tell people they, AT THAT TIME, aren't planning on going anywhere. They are suddenly big liars being manipulated by the corporate bureaucracy or the investors or what have you.

It's a very blatant double standard and I don't feel like getting berated for believing them in BOTH instances instead of just whichever fits my current narrative.

You do realize that this is a vtuber gossip forum and there will always be double standards. Some members in Phase have said shit that if other members in another corpo had said the same people would be lighting up their pitchforks.

Hololive so far seems to be one of those corporations where we dont know much about how they operate. The only thing I can use as comparison is all the other shit corpos.

Punished Anime Discusser said:
Shit nigga, gues Dokibird and Sayu were lying about everything, and they just dramatically left cause Riku wouldn't fuck them 17 times a day. Oh wait no, trusting those two gets you more little red hearts on twitter, doesn't it?

When it comes to talents talking shit about the corpo I tend to always side with the talent. I don't take their entire word as gospel like some of the "harassment" to come from other talents. I tend not to take those claims as 100% fact since more often than not it ends up being women being women and interpreting things in the worst way possible. Case in point Finana saying she got gaslight. Case in point Sayu believing that everyone hated her (and later on we learning that a few people did not view her as bad as she thought they did).

Phantasm said:
The provided text is a forum discussion within the VTuber community, focusing on trust, intellectual property (IP) ownership, and online presence dynamics. Here’s a concise summary of the key points:

Trust Issues (NeneLOVE vs. CalciumAnimal): NeneLOVE distrusts VTuber talents, citing instances where talents downplayed corporate issues only for problems like sudden graduations or mistreatment to emerge later. CalciumAnimal argues talents are generally trustworthy unless proven otherwise, as lying typically requires a motive.

IP Ownership Debate (bothyourhouses, frz, MerelyTourist): Users compare VTuber characters to traditional roles like Jack Sparrow. VTuber personas are deeply personal, unlike roles written by others, leading to debates about talents owning their IP. Some argue talents should retain rights to reference their roles post-departure, despite corporate ownership. NDAs are criticized for limiting talents’ ability to claim credit, though Japanese legal reforms may address this.

Social Media vs. Streaming Success (Phantasm): Phantasm questions if Twitter (X) followings translate to stream viewership, noting VTubers with large Twitter audiences often have low stream views. This is attributed to platform differences and minimal audience overlap, similar to YouTube vs. Twitch disparities.

Corporate Contracts and PR (ZerroDefex): Speculation arises about Nijisanji potentially letting contracts for talents like Twisty expire strategically to avoid PR backlash during new wave debuts.

Mental Health and Legal Action (Piava): A user discusses a VTuber’s stream addressing a traumatic situation, possibly involving a family member’s suicide, expressing hope for her mental recovery and potential legal action against a mental health institute.

Kayfabe and Persona Separation (Phantasm): A VTuber maintains strict separation between their real and virtual personas, emphasizing kayfabe (in-character performance) to keep their identities distinct.

Overall, the discussion highlights tensions between VTuber talents, corporations, and fans, focusing on trust, IP control, and the challenges of navigating online platforms while maintaining personal and professional boundaries.

How the fuck is the summary longer than the actual post? At most I just reply with 1 or 2 sentences per quote.

CalciumAnimal said:
but.... Oh wait your Axehera nice try weirdo.

What kind of retarded response is this?
1. What do I gain from lying?
2. I never claimed that what im saying is 100% true. Just a rrat/speculation.

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