Nijisanji L Collection

[VSoyBoy]

There is nothing indicating that Ike wrote that letter.

And there is no indication that he didn't. You think after Selen, there wouldn't be one single voice piping up if something was wrong?
You think if this was happening against his will, people who know him or he himself would keep quiet right now?

I get that there are reasons to believe the statements coming from Niji and Niji-affiliated channels might be untrustworthy, but what motive does someone who isn't beholden to Niji like Kuro or Hakka have to lie about what is happening?

 

[USS IOWA]

Oh The Nijisanji L thread has opened, I wonder what great Nijidrama has happenede. Huh lke Eveland is graduating, When is the graduation stream?
Nothing you say.
Any explanations why?
Nothing you say.

 

[Hff201]

Sometimes it feels like their trying to Streisand Effect the situation on purpose

Maybe, but I don't think the average vtuber is smart enough to think of this. Remember, in this industry the norms for handling a yab are to private vods, delete tweets, and ban people who bring it up. Hiding things is standard practice, making it less effective as a big-brain attempt to draw attention to the situation.

 

[Coffee Filter]

Man NijiL thread good to be back.

Announcing graduation, no graduation stream, removing all his videos from his channel, members removing collabs with him and asking not to mention his name?

It's Christmas in April for me holy shit.

 

[Negronald Trump]

Sometimes it feels like their trying to Streisand Effect the situation on purpose

Let me just say, no. They're just retarded.

 

[NeneLOVE]

Niji has learned from Holo and the art of "No info is better than character assassinations"

 

[Phantasm]

Niji has learned from Holo and the art of "No info is better than character assassinations"

Yeah except they took it an extra step by outright erasing his existence on his channel and on the others now by this time next month it'll be like there never was an Ike Eveland In Nijisanji En

 

[frz]

And there is no indication that he didn't. You think after Selen, there wouldn't be one single voice piping up if something was wrong?
You think if this was happening against his will, people who know him or he himself would keep quiet right now?

I get that there are reasons to believe the statements coming from Niji and Niji-affiliated channels might be untrustworthy, but what motive does someone who isn't beholden to Niji like Kuro or Hakka have to lie about what is happening?

what did Hakka says.
Kuro only says "He is physically well", "Noose anime picture", "he is the sweetest guy I know"

You think after Selen, there wouldn't be one single voice piping up if something was wrong?

Did you not remember how the Selen debacle turned out? Her mama and friends wasn't able to reach her and Selen went completely radio silent. They didn't speak out against nijisanji for "what nijisanji did". They speak out against Nijisanji for "not letting them contacting Selen"
Two entirely different situation here. I do believe if Nijisanji cut all communication between Ike & Kuro, Kuro would speak out against Nijisanji like RPR did.

Likely Ike signed an NDA saying he cannot divulge the actual reason behind his "Graduation" to Kuro & Hakka (or anyone really). And he acted accordingly to the NDA he signed, he never told Kuro & Hakka why exactly he "graduates", he only told the two "It was mutual" "I'd like to go off the internet for the time being" and "still doing fine physically". Kuro & Hakka themselves should know better than pressing more info from people when they don't want to say things, even more so for someone who says they are currently unwell mentally.

Heck we even had Shu came out and said he had no idea about the graduation or why Ike's graduating. I'm trusting his word here, not the opposite.

Your entire argument is based on "His friend didn't say anything and Nijisanji don't do NDA anymore after Selen." and my argument is "why couldn't he even hand sign something as significant as a graduation letter because that is clearly copy pasted".

There is a chance Ike himself might actually saw nothing too wrong with the letter they wrote to disavow it to his friend. He already don't want to deal with the internet right now. But that doesn't dismiss the letter being skinwalked.

If he is too lazy to sign his graduation letters, just don't copy paste and noone'd care if the "hand signature" is missing. The vtuber industry standard is black text on white black ground with 0 signature, the signature being there is unnecessary in the first place. I personally think the manager tried to make it seems like Ike wrote it by copy pasting it in.

 

[46gumi]

Sometimes it feels like their trying to Streisand Effect the situation on purpose

So in this case, it's the StrEveland effect?

 

[Phantasm]

So in this case, it's the StrEveland effect?

 

[Hff201]

Niji has learned from Holo and the art of "No info is better than character assassinations"

It works for Hololive because they're honest and say it's a termination, even in cases like Mel's (which is probably the best anyone has ever handled a termination, honestly) where it really didn't feel like there was any bad blood and they were just sacking her because they had to rather than because they wanted to.

A professional "terminated due to breach of contract" notice at least satiates a bit of our curiosity, while this "I'm leaving because muh mental health, anyway QUICK DFE RIGHT NOW" leaves more questions than answers.

 

[frz]

It works for Hololive because they're honest and say it's a termination, even in cases like Mel's (which is probably the best anyone has ever handled a termination, honestly) where it really didn't feel like there was any bad blood and they were just sacking her because they had to rather than because they wanted to.

A professional "terminated due to breach of contract" notice at least satiates a bit of our curiosity, while this "I'm leaving because muh mental health, anyway QUICK DFE RIGHT NOW" leaves more questions than answers.

even in holo case it still leaves a lot more questions than answer.

They did the right thing here beside the weird letter that put all the blame on Ike, was typed rather than handwritten unlike every other vtubers' letters (not just graduation, vtubers like to do handwriting for anything that is considered personal, birthday, concert, etc.), and with a clearly fake signature. I'd actually have 0 questions for this entire thing if the letter never existed.

 

[NeneLOVE]

It works for Hololive because they're honest and say it's a termination, even in cases like Mel's (which is probably the best anyone has ever handled a termination, honestly) where it really didn't feel like there was any bad blood and they were just sacking her because they had to rather than because they wanted to.

A professional "terminated due to breach of contract" notice at least satiates a bit of our curiosity, while this "I'm leaving because muh mental health, anyway QUICK DFE RIGHT NOW" leaves more questions than answers.

Words like "graduation" and "termination" are arbitrary anyways. They're only common lexicon because industry leaders like Holo and Niji have taken to using them, but honestly a corpo could call a talent leaving literally anything, something I have become keenly aware of after parsing through hundreds of "end of activities", "cancelation of contract", "talent departure", "retirement" and more notices from all kinds of companies from all kinds of eras during my charting efforts. "Graduation" as a term is actually rarer than you think among JP corpos, and I might even be inclined as to saying that it was Holo which popularized it in EN and the western scene just ran with it.

Remember that these kinds of words, and just about anything a company says to you directly are not objective facts nor verifiable truths, they are PR. If a company has even somewhat competent lawyers and somebody who's job is just to check statements then everything and anything you read or hear has been curated to provoke a feeling or thought in your head, to guide you to think in a certain way, do not fool yourself into thinking anything a company says is without some kind of manipulative wording.

 

[niggaphil]

Well, at least Holo let the talents to announce their graduations in live stream, and stated "due to disagreements with management and the company's direction".

In Kurosanji, they just nuked the talent with maximum efficiency if the talents "disagree" with the management.

Man, when I thought year Kurosanji has not much fucked up this year.......

 

[VSoyBoy]

my argument is "why couldn't he even hand sign something as significant as a graduation letter because that is clearly copy pasted".

Retarded.
How do you suggest he would hand sign it? Print out the piece of paper and scan it again? Sign it with a drawing pad?

And if that's your entire argument, how is that enough for believing he was terminated, for which you have to disregard everything he, Niji, anyone in Niji and people outside of Niji, several of whom know him personally and have contact with him are saying.

It's actually quite funny how focused you are on the fucking signature, since you're the only person I've seen bring it up, especially as a serious argument for why to disbelief the letter. Go back to apostrophe rrats, they were somehow more reasonable.

Your entire argument is based on "His friend didn't say anything and Nijisanji don't do NDA anymore after Selen."

That's not my argument though, is it? My argument is that there are no dissenting voices (except for those in your head that are screaming about signatures) in a climate where dissenting voices are encouraged and championed.

 

[frz]

Retarded.
How do you suggest he would hand sign it? Print out the piece of paper and scan it again? Sign it with a drawing pad?

How do you think that signature exist in the first place? If it existed once, it can exist again. All I'm asking is for a slightly difference signature, not the exact same one.
Do you really believe it is impossible to digitally sign something in 2025?

how is that enough for believing he was terminated

Did you not read anything else in this thread. The reason people believe he was terminated is because he graduated on the same day as the announcement, doesn't get to do a graduation stream, no graduation totsumachi, no chance for people to say farewell and his channel was deleted minutes after the announcement. His collabs on Shu's channel also got purged. This is brought up by most people in here.

If you want to fight about it being a natural graduation and not a termination, quote someone else and not my retarded rrat on the letter being written by a manager.

That's not my argument though, is it? My argument is that there are no dissenting voices (except for those in your head that are screaming about signatures) in a climate where dissenting voices are encouraged and championed.

And my argument is that the dissenting voices didn't happen because I think whatever happened between him and Nijisanji (which none of us know the real reason of), is not bad enough for "dissenting voices" to exist. They decided to part way, they deleted his channel, skin walked a letter, and that's all I'm saying. Ike might have thought the letter wasn't bad enough to make "dissenting voices" against it. And I'd agree, the letter wasn't bad at all compared to the shit doc they wrote against Sayu & Selen.

You are pushing that "Frz saying something super heinous must have happened between Ike & Niji, and because something heinous didn't happen since there is no dissenting voice so Frz is wrong". Meanwhille all I'm saying is all this time is that "The letter looked fake to me". You sure I am the one with "voices in my head"?

 

[MerelyTourist]

I wonder if it's another case of classic jap manager hopium "yeah yeah boss they will definitely sign the new contract"

 

[VSoyBoy]

Michi said before that Livers are given the choice of keeping the content up or not. Ike chose not to for reasons outlined in his letter.
Shu made the decision, either by himself or on request by Ike, to go along with Ike and remove content involving Ike on his channel.
Luca said (in an ongoing stream, so no clip or vod yet) that he won't delete any content involving Ike, so it's not an edict from management, at least not one Luca was informed of yet.

Add to that that content involving Selen and Zaion still lives on Niji channels, I think it's foolish to take Ike's content being gone as proof of him being terminated instead of graduated.

 

[Phantasm]

Add to that that content involving Selen and Zaion still lives on Niji channels, I think it's foolish to take Ike's content being gone as proof of him being terminated instead of graduated.

It's not that his content was removed but the speed at which it was his fans were told he graduated and then five minutes later the entire channel was wiped that coupled with the fact that other livers will be removing videos that feature him don't seem standard practice

 

[VSoyBoy]

It's not that his content was removed but the speed at which it was his fans were told he graduated and then five minutes later the entire channel was wiped that coupled with the fact that other livers will be removing videos that feature him don't seem standard practice

Not standard practice for someone who gets terminated, since their collabs usually stay up, and not standard practice for Livers who graduate and chose to keep the content.
But I don't really know what the standard practice is for Livers who graduate and chose to take their content down, which is a choice that's been confirmed by Michi, Gundou and I think Kuro.
In fact, for NijiJP it's quite common to get rid of at least some amount of content after you graduate. Yuki and Gundou had their channel wiped (I don't know in what timeframe) and Suzuya had his VODs deleted but left some music videos.
For now it just looks like Ike chose to delete his content and maybe asked Shu to do so as well, but it's also a possibility that Shu simply did so on his own out of solidarity with Ike's wishes.