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The MSM Talent Scandal & Subsequent Disintegration

LuminousCove

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Joined:  Oct 20, 2023
Here are temporary links. Make local copies if you want to have them available.
Krimbo's vod https://mega.nz/file/8aF3RQ6S#Q1ryh87Ap0rhZFnwn2RCLwwzvIrn6jTyhJeSi32B8B8
Fuululuu's vod https://mega.nz/file/1X9jgShL#zeAclwPddp3djl3geSyhIbxfLMQVXtMWpxk8CFb3WEs
Bonus (?): AI generated, fairly accurate subtitles for Fuululuu's 5h 30min vod if you want to ctrl-f through it for something specific https://mega.nz/file/0D9wyIgY#nsujDem-zkxI1zYU4ffFnSNdBIxEXKeEu6kqeAmVaKk
I think Coqui is doing her own stream on the situation today.

FYI, Discussing and keeping track of situations like these largely happens in groomcord instead of the forums now. It is what it is.

Everything I've seen makes Seth sounds like a slimy, manipulative person and I wouldn't trust him in any capacity. I really dislike Krimbo, but he actually freely admits to everything I view as his faults here before moving onto the actual subject. He also admits to having been on 4chan in the /trash/ days a lot, and making many friends there, as well as admitting it's not nearly as bad as people say or pretend it is. I think some MSM talents are afraid to speak out, and some benefit from being favored by Seth so they have no reason to. Fuululuu's account reinforces my view, she mentions Seth isolating people and blacklisting them starting at 2:04, and favoritism at 01:55. She mentions at 01:52 that she had no access to her MSM business email for a year


He mentions that the LLCs situation is due to them not paying taxes, and encourages people to report MSM to the IRS. This is an amusing level of flaggotry I've not encountered before.
Coqui either didn't stream or has the VOD privated, it is not on her channel.
 

21st Century Pipkin Man

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Joined:  Jan 18, 2023
Coqui spoke about this, it's a concise 45 minute stream. Backs up many of the blacklisting claims, but no receipts shown. Also mentions that her and Meat both got doxed (on 4chan's lig) shortly after giving info solely to MSM.
https://mega.nz/file/pQlkBBAB#9kJU_jxILGM8lgZ7B4a4qW-qCA10NS5ivJVZd-0Fb9A

e: She says she deleted by accident, vod is back up on her Twitch:
 
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Cptn Snshn

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Joined:  Oct 23, 2022
I don't understand how Krimbo has any audience to begin with he's like aggresively offensive to look at.
 

reinigen

Dang it
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Joined:  Sep 16, 2022
Coqui spoke about this, it's a concise 45 minute stream. Backs up many of the blacklisting claims, but no receipts shown. Also mentions that her and Meat both got doxed (on 4chan's lig) shortly after giving info solely to MSM.
https://mega.nz/file/pQlkBBAB#9kJU_jxILGM8lgZ7B4a4qW-qCA10NS5ivJVZd-0Fb9A

e: She says she deleted by accident, vod is back up on her Twitch:

Coqui also came back and posted this in the dead of night.

 

The Proctor

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Staff member
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Things have been quiet for a little here, but it seems like Grimmi is taking action about her sauce company;

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21st Century Pipkin Man

rabbit's foot, vomit drawer
Joined:  Jan 18, 2023
Of note is that it still hasn't been verified whether a company even exists, legally speaking. Assuming it should be based in California, there's absolutely nothing for "saucy biz," which is the name on the website and the bottle. I'm using https://bizfileonline.sos.ca.gov/search/business to check for CA based businesses.
 

The Peanut Gallery

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MerelyTourist

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Joined:  Feb 5, 2024
I'm concerned about the fact that Grimmi trying to juggle multiple important and time-consuming things at once. She's going to remove the cyst, and even if there's no compications, it will definitely affect her mental balance, she gonna need few months to adjust. Dealing with both streaming and sauce stuff at the same time while adjusting to shifts in your brain activity and behaviour is not the best idea. Being busy could help if she's lucky, but also clould do damage. And vtubers are famously unlucky, and Grimmi is among worst examples.
 

lolwatagain

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Joined:  Jun 1, 2023
Of note is that it still hasn't been verified whether a company even exists, legally speaking. Assuming it should be based in California, there's absolutely nothing for "saucy biz," which is the name on the website and the bottle. I'm using https://bizfileonline.sos.ca.gov/search/business to check for CA based businesses.
If she's getting decent legal advice regarding her company now, she would not incorporate in California. She would incorporate in Delaware.
 

PleaseCheckYourReceipts

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Joined:  May 6, 2023
If she's getting decent legal advice regarding her company now, she would not incorporate in California. She would incorporate in Delaware.
Or NV. If she's in CA, NV probably makes the most sense.
 

lolwatagain

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Joined:  Jun 1, 2023
Or NV. If she's in CA, NV probably makes the most sense.
NV definitely makes more sense than CA since you can form an Anonymous LLC there. But I still think Delaware is the best choice, because having to buy out a business partner probably means you'll be facing business litigation sooner, rather than later.
 

Thomas Talus

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DE is making itself less business-friendly, as we saw with the judge trying to void Musk's shareholder-approved pay package.
 

The Peanut Gallery

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MerelyTourist

jkterjter jkterjtier
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Joined:  Feb 5, 2024
Yesterday there were only 15 people left of erstwhile 42.
Now it's this:
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Archive doesn't work for most recent version of the page https://web.archive.org/web/20240730021328/https://msm.gg/talent
but it worked for older ones before expose https://web.archive.org/web/20240413230336/https://msm.gg/talent/

Notable people who disappeared form the page before it going full black box:
PumpkinPotion, Nagzz, Numi, Cottontail, HeavenlyFather, LucyPyre, Nanoless, Grape, Tobs, Aethel, Grimmi, Jowol, whole vchiban and FUCKING FINNSTER - gone
though other 3 from Heavenly's gang are still listed
as well as Vienna and Yuzu
 
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The Proctor

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God damn. I checked on them something like a week and a half ago and they had only lost a few people overall. I figured they were stable overall. Then suddenly, this. Wow.
 

MerelyTourist

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Joined:  Feb 5, 2024
Another thing of note: Grimmi said she have a lot of work, but overall she's enjoying running hot sauce venture by herself. She'll have to file taxes for in in two states though, for that brief period of co-ownership.
Site relaunch and new taste somewhere in august, hopefully.

A bit of info for all people saying "it's just whitelabel of existing product!":
For some products, it's just branding indeed. But you have to dig into specifics on how each product is manufactured. Most hot sauces are made in small factories with a lot of manual labor. Workers are carting around pots ranging from 10 to 100L, main vessels to brew end product range from 100 too 500L. There are many videos on youtube with factory tours, basically automation only exist at packing stage. There is no extra manufacturing cost if you want to make minimal batch (100-200L) with custom recipe once in a while.
Also, and i don't know how much of it is Grimmi's usual dramatization, but she slipped "we might have saved the factory" in the launch stream, which compounds on it being very small production.
 
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shipmate_F

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Joined:  Jun 21, 2023
Yesterday there were only 15 people left of erstwhile 42.
Now it this:
View attachment 74954
We can compare to the archives:
May 1st https://archive.ph/VRIVM
July 30th https://archive.ph/jo2x5

So from the thread creation to today, the talents lost were:
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So the defamation campaign worked, congratulations Krimbo! Your wife can now suck your cock in peace knowing that she brought down the evil that was checks notes the finantial support Tob needed. Now you can all celebrate your livelihood ransom and invite her to 3AM and pretend everything is fine now.
I can only hope someone comes out with it.
 

MerelyTourist

jkterjter jkterjtier
LM's Ladyboy
Joined:  Feb 5, 2024
So the defamation campaign worked, congratulations Krimbo!
It wouldn't work if there were no real problems. Very gay shit all around nevertheless. One dead sure thing is Seth being sloppy fart-sniffer.
 

PleaseCheckYourReceipts

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Joined:  May 6, 2023
You know the issues in the space are bad when you have to think through "now which mess was this company?" and have an index of a couple to go through. Reading back, I think my initial assessment likely has merit. Seth is semi-competent and never learned to do his paperwork properly and got himself into this mess because he refused to do his paperwork properly.

There's at least 3 social groups that have left the company, so that probably isn't too surprising. A little surprised Nagzz is still there, as he's probably the guy in the indie Vtuber/Vtuber Adjacent space with the most practical business experience. Curious if Seth is going to reincorporate a new agency, just so it actually can exist legally.
 

MerelyTourist

jkterjter jkterjtier
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Joined:  Feb 5, 2024
We can compare to the archives:
May 1st https://archive.ph/VRIVM
July 30th https://archive.ph/jo2x5

So from the thread creation to today, the talents lost were:
240801-150246.png
little surprised Nagzz is still there, as he's probably the guy in the indie Vtuber/Vtuber Adjacent space with the most practical business experience.
When i was looking at the list yesterday, Nagzz and RPR weren't there. Archive snapshot from 30th have 19 people, i counted only 15 people around midnight UTC 31/1. So there were multiple edits.
 
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