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Migoed Helmet

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Tbh after Kaguya-sama started getting bad I really started losing interest in a lot of JP media. Frieren is good, but it's on haitus right now and is getting a little battle manga-y for my tastes; Mieruko is great but is slow to update; I'm invested in World Trigger and it hasn't completely broken my interest yet. I can't even remember the last time I was genuinely surprised by a web novel, either: they really are all falling into the same list of tropes right now :depressedtako:
 

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Tbh after Kaguya-sama started getting bad I really started losing interest in a lot of JP media.
At least Kaguya somewhat had a happy ending. Oshi no ko nosedived completely then proceeded to desecrate its own grave with a terrible epilogue chapter. I wonder how both were even written by the same guy.

I could recommended you Apothecary Diaries. It's a pretty good mystery/romance anime set in imperial China. I've been enjoying it so far.
 

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I have absolutely no idea, particularly given that as far as I'm aware, the villainess trope doesn't actually exist in otome games (shoujo anime is a different matter).
To my knowledge the villainess in otome games started because of Kenkyo, Kenjitsu o Motto ni Ikite Orimasu e Hametsu Flag in kenkyo the girl reincarnates as a villainess in her favorite shoujo manga, the novel was a absolute success in the Shousetsuka ni Narou, every success gets copycats and one of the copycats was Hametsu Flag, hametsu is primarily a comedy novel with the protagonist making a accidental harem and not knowing by the factor of her being as dense as a fucking black hole, the novel was a gigantic success, and here is the thing, hametsu transplants a lot of tropes of Kenkyo, Kenjitsu but puts the tropes in a otome game for the comedy to happen, and everyone copied hametsu flag because hametsu is a way more lighhearted story and Kenkyo stopped launching new chapters, so because of that now we are stuck with shoujo manga tropes in a otome game setting
 

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At least Kaguya somewhat had a happy ending. Oshi no ko nosedived completely then proceeded to desecrate its own grave with a terrible epilogue chapter. I wonder how both were even written by the same guy.

I could recommended you Apothecary Diaries. It's a pretty good mystery/romance anime set in imperial China. I've been enjoying it so far.
OH RIGHT ok I do like Apothecary Diaries, that is a good series though the WN falls off during the locust arc IMO and I haven't gone back to it since. So maybe I'm just being a doomer with a shit memory and there are still good novels out there.

As for Kaguya's author, I legitimately think he's powered by sadness. Instant Bullet had a couple of my favorite concepts and theming in a manga ever, and it was depression all the way down. Even early Kaguya is a cynical series, that's how it danced through all of the rom-com tropes in such a refreshing way. It only really fell apart after Akasaka became the "rising star author" and started making boatloads of money.
 

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OH RIGHT ok I do like Apothecary Diaries, that is a good series though the WN falls off during the locust arc IMO and I haven't gone back to it since. So maybe I'm just being a doomer with a shit memory and there are still good novels out there.

As for Kaguya's author, I legitimately think he's powered by sadness. Instant Bullet had a couple of my favorite concepts and theming in a manga ever, and it was depression all the way down. Even early Kaguya is a cynical series, that's how it danced through all of the rom-com tropes in such a refreshing way. It only really fell apart after Akasaka became the "rising star author" and started making boatloads of money.
Kaguya was at it's best with long periods of humor followed by one/a short few serious chapters. Quality declined when the story started focusing far more on the serious stuff all the time instead of the comedy. Akasaka's strength is humor and his weakness is long-form drama, and he wants to write long-form drama. Plus he seems to suffer from losing interest in his own stories, started Oshi No Ko partway through Kaguya, which matched fairly well with a quality drop in Kaguya, and started his next series partway through Oshi No Ko, which had a massive quality drop when that happened.
 

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You know just because you don't like the direction of a series doesin't nessicarily mean the quality decreased.

the ending was depressing yes but it was still written in well and if you were off put by the "magical elements" i got news for you the story literally started with two people reincarnating into the children of a idol.

Current shows I recommend keeping up with.

Apothecary Diaries

Shangra-La Frontier

Dr Stone

100 Girlfriends

Sakamato Days

Re Zero

Welcome to Japan Miss Elf

Ishura

Headhunted to Anotherworld
 
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You know just because you don't like the direction of a series doesin't nessicarily mean the quality decreased.

the ending was depressing yes but it was still written in well and if you were off put by the "magical elements" i got news for you the story literally started with two people reincarnating into the children of a idol.

Current shows I recommend keeping up with.

Apothecary Diaries

Shangra-La Frontier

Dr Stone

100 Girlfriends

Sakamato Days

Re Zero

Welcome to Japan Miss Elf

Ishura

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Idk why people like 100 girlfriends, I tried the manga and it was literally the same thing over and over with slightly different tropes.
>Meet girl
>Learn girl's gimmick/trope
>Girl gets brainwashed
>Girl resists
>Learn girl's issue
>Fix girl's issue
>Meet up with everyone else for 1~3 chapters of filler slice of life
>Repeat
 

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Season 1 was fantastic, but season 2 stumbled around despite being good. Hopefully season 3 can recapture what made the first season so strong.
 

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No anime in recent years has wowed me. None of them have a strong story or characters.
It's 60% slop and/or isekai, 20% continuations of older shit I'm not following, 15% mediocre new stuff, and 5% new stuff that gets praised to hell and back because it had nice animation and trended on art twitter/became a meme.
 

CalciumAnimal

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Idk why people like 100 girlfriends, I tried the manga and it was literally the same thing over and over with slightly different tropes.
>Meet girl
>Learn girl's gimmick/trope
>Girl gets brainwashed
>Girl resists
>Learn girl's issue
>Fix girl's issue
>Meet up with everyone else for 1~3 chapters of filler slice of life
>Repeat
Nene do you actually like anime? Because the vast majority of even GOOD shows do that.

What i watch 100 girlfriends for is seeing how big the harem can get before the writer explodes.
No anime in recent years has wowed me. None of them have a strong story or characters.
It's 60% slop and/or isekai, 20% continuations of older shit I'm not following, 15% mediocre new stuff, and 5% new stuff that gets praised to hell and back because it had nice animation and trended on art twitter/became a meme.
You could have just said no.
 

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Nene do you actually like anime? Because the vast majority of even GOOD shows do that.

What i watch 100 girlfriends for is seeing how big the harem can get before the writer explodes.
My favorite anime is FMA:B, that's all you need to know.
 

CalciumAnimal

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My favorite anime is FMA:B, that's all you need to know.
All that tells me is you like the one anime everyone likes. Aka not an indication that you enjoy the medium.
 

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All that tells me is you like the one anime everyone likes. Aka not an indication that you enjoy the medium.
I like the vtuber corpo everyone likes, does that mean I don't enjoy vtubers?
I simply have (((unrealistic))) standards, not just with anime but all media I consume.
 

Tubedude

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You know just because you don't like the direction of a series doesin't nessicarily mean the quality decreased.

the ending was depressing yes but it was still written in well and if you were off put by the "magical elements" i got news for you the story literally started with two people reincarnating into the children of a idol.
The ending was written like shit, and the lead up movie arc was horrid. Him needing to murder-suicide Kamiki to stop him was never properly established. There was Kamiki and the former idol group member that was obsessed with the memory of Ai. There was nothing established that made it seem like Kamiki had some great network of psychos that would help him get away with shit, it was a ass-pull explanation for the ending (and no, a last minute "I have people that will help me kill lolol" right before getting stabbed is not proper build up). Multiple chapters building up the movie as if it is the thing that will end Kamiki, but then, oh no we need something FAR more drastic because.... oh wait we only established Kamiki and the crazy ex-idol that seem to have no greater psycho network, welp shit Akasaka isn't interested in the story anymore and he wanted a murder-suicide end for Aqua so that's what is gonna happen.
 
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Migoed Helmet

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You know just because you don't like the direction of a series doesin't nessicarily mean the quality decreased.
True, but it's possible for me to know the difference, and to give a series credit for it. Frieren is actually a good example I've already mentioned. I don't like the more combat oriented direction the series is going, as I feel that its strengths are the melancholic unpackaging of time's progress rather than wizard combat; however, the author is doing it with intention and care, and the endpoint of the more combat oriented arcs have always fit the series' greater theme and direction.

Oshi no ko doesn't do that, you can tell the exact moment at which Aka runs out of steam and starts throwing crap at the wall because he's out of ideas and wants to get to the next plot point. Same with Kaguya, really. After a while consuming media, it starts to become painfully obvious when a writer has no idea how to get from point A to point B and can't be bothered to write something compelling to fill the gap anymore.


My favorite anime is FMA:B, that's all you need to know.
What exactly pushes FMA into the number 1 spot for you? I like Brotherhood as much as the next guy, but it's something of a "jack of all trades" type show to me; executes well in all aspects but doesn't push into mind-blowing in any given category.
 
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What exactly pushes FMA into the number 1 spot for you? I like Brotherhood as much as the next guy, but it's something of a "jack of all trades" type show to me; executes well in all aspects but doesn't push into mind-blowing in any given category.
It does everything well, it doesn't excel anywhere but it doesn't fail anywhere either.

I like other shows too but they have issues that push them down.
 

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To my knowledge the villainess in otome games started because of Kenkyo, Kenjitsu o Motto ni Ikite Orimasu e Hametsu Flag in kenkyo the girl reincarnates as a villainess in her favorite shoujo manga, the novel was a absolute success in the Shousetsuka ni Narou, every success gets copycats and one of the copycats was Hametsu Flag, hametsu is primarily a comedy novel with the protagonist making a accidental harem and not knowing by the factor of her being as dense as a fucking black hole, the novel was a gigantic success, and here is the thing, hametsu transplants a lot of tropes of Kenkyo, Kenjitsu but puts the tropes in a otome game for the comedy to happen, and everyone copied hametsu flag because hametsu is a way more lighhearted story and Kenkyo stopped launching new chapters, so because of that now we are stuck with shoujo manga tropes in a otome game setting
Hey, I think I actually started reading Kenkyo.

Emphasis on started. Hametsu Flag was (at the start, because all successful Japanese webnovels extend forever eventually) the faster, more engaging read (and also the one that got me into the genre in the first place).

Since I'm not into otome games, yet alone a purist, the ill applied tropes are a curiosity, rather than an annoyance.
 

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To my knowledge the villainess in otome games started because of Kenkyo, Kenjitsu o Motto ni Ikite Orimasu e Hametsu Flag in kenkyo the girl reincarnates as a villainess in her favorite shoujo manga, the novel was a absolute success in the Shousetsuka ni Narou, every success gets copycats and one of the copycats was Hametsu Flag, hametsu is primarily a comedy novel with the protagonist making a accidental harem and not knowing by the factor of her being as dense as a fucking black hole, the novel was a gigantic success, and here is the thing, hametsu transplants a lot of tropes of Kenkyo, Kenjitsu but puts the tropes in a otome game for the comedy to happen, and everyone copied hametsu flag because hametsu is a way more lighhearted story and Kenkyo stopped launching new chapters, so because of that now we are stuck with shoujo manga tropes in a otome game setting
So it's because of HameFura? That makes sense. Everybody loves Bakarina.
My favorite anime is FMA:B, that's all you need to know.
The first anime was better than Brotherhood.
 

Migoed Helmet

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So it's because of HameFura? That makes sense. Everybody loves Bakarina.

The first anime was better than Brotherhood.
The first ~15 episodes are, it starts to lose the thread after that IMO. But boy the extra characterization in that first batch of episodes. If I could somehow combine those into Brotherhood it'd be perfect, Hughes in particular is fantastic with the extra screen time.
 

Koronesuki

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The first ~15 episodes are, it starts to lose the thread after that IMO.
It's better all the way until the ending. Then, instead of a proper ending, we get a sequel hook for a continuation that never happens, and instead it gets wrapped up in a movie that doesn't have a satisfying ending either.
But boy the extra characterization in that first batch of episodes. If I could somehow combine those into Brotherhood it'd be perfect, Hughes in particular is fantastic with the extra screen time.
This is the main crime of Brotherhood. It rushes through the early episodes to get to the point where the stories diverge faster, and the Hughes storyline suffers as a result. It loses almost all of its emotional impact.
 
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