Pippakistan's Psych Ward v4

[Furious George]

Optimising her day? Doesn't she spend most of the day lying in bed playing games & fucking around online. Or does she mean her day is optimised to make for time lying in bed playing games & fucking around online?

 

[RedRage]

You're welcome Pippa

And for the train autist in us all

 

[DogBone]

The reason why the food is better in Japan is because all prepared food in the US is made of toxic sludge intended to make you fat and sick.

 

[thhrang]

Honest question, because this has been on my mind for a while: is there actually free speech in America any more?

Americans point to the First Amendment and it's something I always respected the country for, but seeing the shit Josh goes through made me lose that appreciation I previously had for America's "freedom" culture. If ISPs, payment processors, tech companies, even just literally-who randos with a chip on their shoulder can have whatever you want to say silenced anyway, there's basically no point in the First Amendment even being there. You can't even set up a charity now if someone at the bank dislikes you personally; that's not freedom, it feels like the "I may not like what you have to say but I respect your right to say it" mentality has gone away entirely.

Trump's First Lady, Elon Musk, using free speech as a grift on X doesn't paint a promising picture ever. The guy sells X as a free speech site, but if you reply to someone calling them a retarded fag you'll get immediately shadowbanned. You're basically talking to yourself at that point, so it's just an illusion of freedom; you can sit alone in a room and say "I hate Yamanbas" to yourself in China if you wanted to.

I'm obviously not happy about the authoritarian shit Starmer's pushing over here, but it feels like the US is snowballing in the same direction while being too blinded by patriotism to notice.

America is still the only country in the world that allows sites like the Kiwi Farms to exist at all, and it is because of the protections afforded in the Constitution that despite corporations and politician's best efforts, still cannot be fully trampled over. Even in a neutered state the protections are still strong and Josh obviously is still able to maintain the site even with all of the troubles. Maybe that's mostly a showing of his dedication, sure, but he himself has said America is still the only place he can make this work. He's also still working to get his nonprofit off the ground.

 

[DTrp]

Honest question, because this has been on my mind for a while: is there actually free speech in America any more?

Americans point to the First Amendment and it's something I always respected the country for, but seeing the shit Josh goes through made me lose that appreciation I previously had for America's "freedom" culture. If ISPs, payment processors, tech companies, even just literally-who randos with a chip on their shoulder can have whatever you want to say silenced anyway, there's basically no point in the First Amendment even being there. You can't even set up a charity now if someone at the bank dislikes you personally; that's not freedom, it feels like the "I may not like what you have to say but I respect your right to say it" mentality has gone away entirely.

Trump's First Lady, Elon Musk, using free speech as a grift on X doesn't paint a promising picture ever. The guy sells X as a free speech site, but if you reply to someone calling them a retarded fag you'll get immediately shadowbanned. You're basically talking to yourself at that point, so it's just an illusion of freedom; you can sit alone in a room and say "I hate Yamanbas" to yourself in China if you wanted to.

I'm obviously not happy about the authoritarian shit Starmer's pushing over here, but it feels like the US is snowballing in the same direction while being too blinded by patriotism to notice.


It's one of those schemes someone uses to farm funding and/or votes before quietly forgetting about it later on. There's something like it in the news every few years or so, nothing ever happens.

short answer:
the free speech applies where it matters most - the government that you give a monopoly on violence to.

 

[Topo Chico]

is there actually free speech in America any more?

As an individual criticizing the government or doing any of the traditional aspects outlined in 1A, yes. You are correct in pointing out that the private (though deputized via the Patriot Act) payment processors/banks can de-person you if they don't like what you say. You can't be imprisoned if you say what you want. I can call a cop a Yamanba to his face and be fine, that cannot be said for a person in the UK, China, or virtually anywhere else. There is free speech left, but you do need to be judicious in how you exercise your right as you will be censored by private, or "private," entities and that does need to change and there are people working on it either nominally or in earnest. I still don't believe our problems and the problems of either other western countries or non-western countries are comparable 1-1. We mog the fuck out of them in critique of government and avoiding a cell for speech, we do get owned by countries that treat banking as a utility (where that may exist). Though I do feel it is overstated by people like Null as he is in a unique situation. I would also point out that these fears/issues are nothing new, our founders needed to utilize anonymity to spread their message. If freedom of speech ever existed, it existed then and their problems are still our problems.

 

[RestlessRain]

Honest question, because this has been on my mind for a while: is there actually free speech in America any more?

Americans point to the First Amendment and it's something I always respected the country for, but seeing the shit Josh goes through made me lose that appreciation I previously had for America's "freedom" culture. If ISPs, payment processors, tech companies, even just literally-who randos with a chip on their shoulder can have whatever you want to say silenced anyway, there's basically no point in the First Amendment even being there. You can't even set up a charity now if someone at the bank dislikes you personally; that's not freedom, it feels like the "I may not like what you have to say but I respect your right to say it" mentality has gone away entirely.

Trump's First Lady, Elon Musk, using free speech as a grift on X doesn't paint a promising picture ever. The guy sells X as a free speech site, but if you reply to someone calling them a retarded fag you'll get immediately shadowbanned. You're basically talking to yourself at that point, so it's just an illusion of freedom; you can sit alone in a room and say "I hate Yamanbas" to yourself in China if you wanted to.

I'm obviously not happy about the authoritarian shit Starmer's pushing over here, but it feels like the US is snowballing in the same direction while being too blinded by patriotism to notice.

I don't think the USA has free speech, as you point out, but you have freer speech in the USA than in other Western countries, and much more than Japan. The USA, under Joe Biden, had implemented a lot of shadow restrictions on free speech by funding NGOs, and Trump seems to be working on eradicating that.

As for X and Elon Musk, I'd say there are still restrictions, but you can post much more freely than before, it's much less ideologically captured than before, and you can get a lot of controversial opinions and viewpoints on there that weren't permissible before.

The implementation of free speech in the USA is not perfect, as you point out quite well, but I also think it's important to not have "perfect" be the enemy of "good", especially when the alternatives on offer are so much worse.

 

[Realticule]

Meat Pippa brings American food to Japan and wonders why it still tastes American.

 

[thhrang]

I can't believe Pippa is brown.

 

[Realticule]

I can't believe Pippa is brown.

She got searched in America, not Japan, she's very white because the west would let a dark through no matter what.

 

[Realticule]

Pippa is so proactive, it's very adorable.

 

[Topo Chico]

We must raise the price of airplane tickets by 10x minimum.

 

[RedRage]

Pippa looks like she wants to die, so they assume she's some sorta suicide bomber.

 

[Eat em and breed em]

Add fruit japan to the list now

 

[RedRage]

Add fruit japan to the list now

I think we peaked at
> Time, Japan

 

[Hff201]

There is free speech left, but you do need to be judicious in how you exercise your right as you will be censored by private, or "private," entities and that does need to change and there are people working on it either nominally or in earnest. I still don't believe our problems and the problems of either other western countries or non-western countries are comparable 1-1. We mog the fuck out of them in critique of government and avoiding a cell for speech, we do get owned by countries that treat banking as a utility (where that may exist). Though I do feel it is overstated by people like Null as he is in a unique situation.

See this is where I'm seeing an unfortunate shift, because the US is obviously still a better option than most, but from the outside looking in it looks like most of the changes have been going in the wrong direction rather than the right one - and that's being celebrated by the loudest and most influential voices from the younger generations meaning there's relatively little pushback toward more authoritarian practices slipping in.

It probably seems like this is mostly a Josh issue but that's because he's the most autistic motherfucker on the planet (affectionate) and doubles down when someone tries to shut him up so we hear about his problems more often than anyone else's. It makes me wonder how many other people have run into being deplatformed and have just given in because they don't have the time, funds, or reach to fight it.

I don't think the US is fucked in this respect, but I do think it's important to watch where things are going very carefully, and do whatever you can to pull up whenever someone finds a new loophole to suppress "problematic" or "degenerate" speech. Locking people up isn't the only way to silence them.

 

[geesecode]

Yeah but Fruit, Japan is 10000x the price.

Edit: You'd find decent fruit if you went to a place with good fruit.

 

[NTRAntagonist]

Just tuned in, what happened to the spooky times?

 

[thhrang]

what happened to the spooky times?

It never started.

 

[Hff201]

It never started.

And THANK GOD FOR THAT.