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Noa Talent - The Totally not a scam Chinese company with ties to HoYoverse

MerelyTourist

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"Private" vent accounts continue to be a mistake - these people need friends (as in, actual friends, not enabler fanboys or random indie vtubers who are financially incentivised to backstab them) to talk to. This is an intrusive line of thought that you can't really avoid sometimes, but you tell your friend about it and he knocks some sense into you before you embarrass yourself in front of everyone. Regardless of how retarded she's being falling for a blatant scam like this, I honestly just find it depressing that so many streamers feel more comfortable talking about things that upset them to literal strangers than to their immediate circle.
Because their junky brain only want validation. They unconsciously create these yassss kweeen echochambers, because it takes less energy and brings more dopamine than discussing things with real friends who could give the dreaded pushback.
 

The Proctor

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I personally think people are missing the forest for the trees a bit. I don't believe that NOA is a blatant scam. They have money, they have connections, they have a level of prestige and power. I don't disagree that it's likely Sayu gets a lot of benefit from being part of NOA.

But from everything I've heard and everything that's been confirmed, they're still a Chinese company, and their business values are absolutely and completely anti-consumer, pro-nepotism (guanxi in their terminology) and egocentric to their core.

I believe they'll support Sayu, maybe even make her something great, because she has talent and an audience. But I also think they will have zero loyalty, and nothing she has signed with them will be worth the paper it's printed on the moment they decide she's an inconvenience rather than an asset, or someone with 0.1% higher RoI comes along and asks for her spot.
 

MerelyTourist

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I personally think people are missing the forest for the trees a bit. I don't believe that NOA is a blatant scam. They have money, they have connections, they have a level of prestige and power. I don't disagree that it's likely Sayu gets a lot of benefit from being part of NOA.

But from everything I've heard and everything that's been confirmed, they're still a Chinese company, and their business values are absolutely and completely anti-consumer, pro-nepotism (guanxi in their terminology) and egocentric to their core.

I believe they'll support Sayu, maybe even make her something great, because she has talent and an audience. But I also think they will have zero loyalty, and nothing she has signed with them will be worth the paper it's printed on the moment they decide she's an inconvenience rather than an asset, or someone with 0.1% higher RoI comes along and asks for her spot.
So far, owners only managed to scam themselves, in a sense. By trying to barge into western market with standard chink practices and getting immediate face slap. And i can't say anything they've done so far had any hint of maliciousness. She should be wary and keep corpo dealings strictly transactional though. Like, CEO being nice guy to hang around and party with must not affect your business analysis of his proposed deal and delivery.
 

CalciumAnimal

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So far, owners only managed to scam themselves, in a sense. By trying to barge into western market with standard chink practices and getting immediate face slap. And i can't say anything they've done so far had any hint of maliciousness. She should be wary and keep corpo dealings strictly transactional though. Like, CEO being nice guy to hang around and party with must not affect your business analysis of his proposed deal and delivery.
is this not basically what we said about Aviel?
 

The Proctor

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Like, CEO being nice guy to hang around and party with must not affect your business analysis of his proposed deal and delivery.

Yeah, a CEO being happy to hang out with the women he has a business relationship with in a personal setting has never had any potential issues or problems whatsoever and is always a 100% guarantee of legitimacy...
 

MerelyTourist

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Yeah, a CEO being happy to hang out with the women he has a business relationship with in a personal setting has never had any potential issues or problems whatsoever and is always a 100% guarantee of legitimacy...
Nah, it was a semi-abstract example, inspired by Nousagi's testament.

is this not basically what we said about Aviel?
Maybe? I can't assign malice by default, while everything so far points at incompetence. I Aviel's case malice became more possible the moment he started to virtue signal.
 

Egg the Boiled

Yeah.
Joined:  Nov 2, 2022

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This is the only company that wanted her (wonder why) and she's settling despite being aware of the problems from months ago.
I'm pretty sure she said she was in talks with my nigga fishman and I think I even made fun of her for not taking a deal. I get her trauma comes from being adopted but jesus chirst she has the worst combination possible here being a retard with abandonment issues and also delusional narcissistic. I don't know what his deal was but jesus christ if you had been objective you'd understand that you're fucking radioactive because you broke nda even if you were justified in doing so. Your only choice after the matter are scams and no name corpos ran by a retard that took a loan at 99% interest. Sayu is also right that I don't give a flying fuck about her, however I'm an actual advocate of true gender equality and there's a man out there who needs his alimony paid!!! :PomuAngry: I need you to do good so he can have a good life.
 

Nigel Nigerman

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So I was curious to know what kind of "man" Sayu's ex was and did a deep dive in Google to find him.
images

NGL he looks like a charming individual, bit of a psycho and has teeth that could make Froot blush with envy but he's just perfect for her.
:smugpipi::smugpipi::smugpipi:
 
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Murrayしないで

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Quotes from the earlier screenshots:
-This company is one of the few that saw value in me.
-No other company was willing to offer what they have.

This kind of language combined with her talking about having met with many other corpos makes me convinced that she went to corpos asking for unusual concessions because she's Sayu motherfucking Sincro//Nisity, bitch, and you'd better recognize, and NOA was the only one willing to play along. While there's virtue in knowing your worth, it's an odd thing to talk about because it comes off as rather selfish.

Full screenshot that's not from a filthy phoneposter.
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"This company is one of the few that saw value in me… No other company was willing to offer what they have." - More statements which support my theory.

"Nothing will change." Woman, you set aside one of the best indie models in the biz to debut in that very different big-tiddy model that's not bad but less imaginative and more busy. Your hair goes behind your boob-diamonds… So does that meant the boob-diamonds are actually floating a couple inches away from your boob?

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Also, put some panties on and lose the "I'm 14 and this is deep" collar and chain. You're a grown woman. smh.

Anyway, sorry that our reaction to NOA is not as optimistic as yours, but the fact that we're having a reaction at all proves that we do care and do want the best for you. Otherwise we'd just be sitting back and laughing. Maybe if NOA were backing up a dump truck full of cartoonish sacks of yuan to my house too, I'd also be more peppy about them.
 

Egg the Boiled

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This kind of language combined with her talking about having met with many other corpos makes me convinced that she went to corpos asking for unusual concessions because she's Sayu motherfucking Sincro//Nisity, bitch, and you'd better recognize, and NOA was the only one willing to play along. While there's virtue in knowing your worth, it's an odd thing to talk about because it comes off as rather selfish.

"This company is one of the few that saw value in me… No other company was willing to offer what they have." - More statements which support my theory.
She did mention being in talks with Sakana, but they couldn't come to an agreement. I don't think Phase are god's gift to vtubing of course, but her saying that gave me the impression that she's expecting far too much. Joining a corpo is always going to be a mixed bag, otherwise it's a shit deal for the corpo.
 

Xuhle

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She did mention being in talks with Sakana, but they couldn't come to an agreement. I don't think Phase are god's gift to vtubing of course, but her saying that gave me the impression that she's expecting far too much. Joining a corpo is always going to be a mixed bag, otherwise it's a shit deal for the corpo.
I do think Fishman very much tried to woo her and not just in recent time more like since she got fired from niji cause shortly after her return she went on business in japan that eventually lead to Canada where she was given a PC, I believe it's dead now as it had a lot of problems with it, and that was when she was starting to hit things off with the phase girls. Now could there have been things sakana was asking for that she wasn't will to give, probably ip being one of them because Sayu is part of her real fucking name which she mentioned on stream, could there be things she was asking for too much on also probably.
 

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I do think Fishman very much tried to woo her and not just in recent time more like since she got fired from niji cause shortly after her return she went on business in japan that eventually lead to Canada where she was given a PC, I believe it's dead now as it had a lot of problems with it, and that was when she was starting to hit things off with the phase girls. Now could there have been things sakana was asking for that she wasn't will to give, probably ip being one of them because Sayu is part of her real fucking name which she mentioned on stream, could there be things she was asking for too much on also probably.
Canada PC thing wasn't Phase, she said as much. Still no fucking clue who it was but I remember her ranting about having to pay it off cause they wouldn't just let her return it for some reason.
 

Xuhle

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So it looking like all of them are keeping there IP and its not just a Sayu thing.
 

Hff201

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This kind of language combined with her talking about having met with many other corpos makes me convinced that she went to corpos asking for unusual concessions because she's Sayu motherfucking Sincro//Nisity, bitch, and you'd better recognize, and NOA was the only one willing to play along. While there's virtue in knowing your worth, it's an odd thing to talk about because it comes off as rather selfish.
I don't think it's an entitlement thing as much as it is just not really understanding the business side of things enough to appreciate that if a company offers you an especially great sweetheart deal that the others won't, there's probably a reason for it. I'm not surprised her impressions are tainted after dealing with Niji's shit, but the usual corpo caveats like the company retaining IP ownership and placing restrictions on certain activities exist for a reason in reputable corpos who operate in good faith. An offer being too generous compared to the industry standard should be a red flag, rather than a selling point, since it reeks of incompetent management and is usually unsustainable long-term.

Sayu seems like the kind of person who would fall for Aviel's transparency meme, because 60% is more than 50% right?
 

Xuhle

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Abomination

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So watching Sayu 2.0 she mentioned liking to bully the haters back. I think these stuff certainly say otherwise for some things that's for sure.
"Bully the haters back"

Lol. Yeah. I'm sure that'll go well and totally won't backfire on her...
:deztheroom:
 

MerelyTourist

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"Bully the haters back"

Lol. Yeah. I'm sure that'll go well and totally won't backfire on her...
:deztheroom:
The only acceptable forms of "bully haters back" is doubling down (preferably after feigning compliance) and then thanking them for clout.
But if you're objectively wrong, it'll be a road to lolcowdom.
 

Xuhle

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The only acceptable forms of "bully haters back" is doubling down (preferably after feigning compliance) and then thanking them for clout.
But if you're objectively wrong, it'll be a road to lolcowdom.
Idk you're still here after all.
 
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