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El Rrata

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Kaela's Holocure save data got nuked... you know what that means, right?

Grinding time.

I can't tell if Kronii's JP has improved or if she looked up some words just for this collab but it's been pretty gold so far. Lots of good polmaos.
From what I have heard, apparently, Korean and Japanese contain a lot of lingustic similarities, so if you know one or the other, learning the other is mostly just learning vocab. Her Japanese seems to be mostly learned through anime, though lol.
 
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Crush

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Man the comment section talking about 'forbidden knowledge' sounds a little cringe.

Reminds me of dialogue in a JRPG where NPCs persuade the MC away from learning the 'forbidden knowledge' about something at the beginning. Till they inevitably find out and just a mid tier revelation.
Honestly this whole thing feels like someone who is getting massive shit and deserves to get it, but the reasons they’re getting it aren’t for the right reasons. That being he deserves shit for the Keeki vid but he’s primarily getting shit for the “forbidden knowledge” paywall stuff because of the fandom’s odd obsessive hatred of PL stuff and the rampant assumptions.
 

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I feel like the Keeki video was just him stupidly using his YT account to host a video for archival purposes.
 

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Apparenly, Kiara and Gura's videos had "full doxes" including names and family members, plus locations? Neither video has surfaced, afaik. This is inconsistent with what he did for Ame's, but could be true or heresay.
Thanks for the recap.

It seems that this bit is complete hearsay, judging by me being told by the same someone who mentioned that Nousagi has privated every member video he make except for HoloCN. Still a bit thunkful, but eh
 

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Idk exactly how I ended up here but I'm watching Melody do a lewdcast and she just dug herself right into a tranny debate by daring to declare that everyone either has a dick and balls or a vagina.

I don't know whether to laugh or weep but it's entertaining watching her try to hike her way out of that danger zone of a topic. She's currently trying to overcompensate for potentially angering the vermintide by declaring that everyone has a dick?
 

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  • Link to the unlisted Ame video on YT is leaked. He explicitly does not give her full name or info like that.
  • Apparenly, Kiara and Gura's videos had "full doxes" including names and family members, plus locations? Neither video has surfaced, afaik. This is inconsistent with what he did for Ame's, but could be true or heresay.
1. So here's the thing with DN's paywalled vids on Youtube: Each and every single one of them has two separate uploads, one that is tagged as members-only for those who join his membership on Youtube, and one tagged as unlisted for those coming from Patreon. I was initially inclined to believe that one of his Patreon supporters was passing out the link to the unlisted version of the Ame PL vid to non-Patrons/Members, but then I found out that DN's Patreon became the victim of a scraper.

2. You are correct in that these things are inconsistent with what he did for Ame, because they are in fact HEARSAY. I've watched all 3 of his HoloMyth vids and none of them had full doxes, with only Kiara's vid having more info than the others (Specifically previous jobs, and health/psychological issues) given its relevance to her PL.

Also...
Nousagi has privated every member video he make except for HoloCN

Clarification: In this context, I meant almost every single video that only exists as paywall content (ie. No public version due to majority or all of it talking about PLs or other personas), even then some of his public video have had their paywall version privated.
 
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El Rrata

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2. You are correct in that these things are inconsistent with what he did for Ame, because they are in fact HEARSAY. I've watched all 3 of his HoloMyth vids and none of them had full doxes, with only Kiara's vid having more info than the others (Specifically previous jobs, and health/psychological issues) given its relevance to her PL.
Thanks for the recap.

It seems that this bit is complete hearsay, judging by me being told by the same someone who mentioned that Nousagi has privated every member video he make except for HoloCN. Still a bit thunkful, but eh
Honestly, not surprised to hear this. I only saw the Ame video, so it made no sense to me that he would go out of his way to say that he would not provide such info of Ame and then fully dox Gura or Kiara.

Figured it was Reddit spreading BS, as usual, because they don't know the difference between an actual dox and breaking someone's kayfabe.
 

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Well even then Vox has been at least trying to curb the parasocials and get them the fuck out if his stream back in May.

Vid related.

Still not gonna interact with his fanbase of course but gotta at least respect that he's putting his foot down and telling the parasocials to GTFO.

Lucky you must have missed this the first time, well, you’re not so lucky anymore:

This is the same man who "called out" his parasocial fans. He clearly gave up his dignity long ago.

Yes, foot down, parasocials told off, he sure laid down the law.
 

Crush

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I feel like the Keeki video was just him stupidly using his YT account to host a video for archival purposes.
I still don’t know why he would do that and not something else. It’s one hell of a big mistake, and linking it from another paywall video is weird and unnecessary imo. I’ll admit it probably wasn’t malicious, but it was a retarded move.

It looks scummy.
 

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In all likelihood it was "this video is rough so I won't show it in this video, but if you really want to see it I've linked it in the description"
 

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From what I have heard, apparently, Korean and Japanese contain a lot of lingustic similarities, so if you know one or the other, learning the other is mostly just learning vocab. Her Japanese seems to be mostly learned through anime, though lol.
I believe it after all the standard shounen lines she's shouted lol.

Also Polka after trying to get Kronii to stop saying testicles in JP for the 5th time and gaslighting her into thinking she's an alcoholic:
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Edit: Oh Polka wasn't even lying. Kronii was drinking because she was nervous about speaking JP but didn't want to admit it to chat. Next time she should just get some lean :guh:
 
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Sithis

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Alright so I don't normally go for the coombait streamers (shut the fuck up about my history watching Melody lmao) but I've come to actually enjoy this crazy chick. I don't watch her streams regularly but she's a cozy and fun watch and seems to always be streaming in some capacity.

She's currently trying to do a full 1 hour stream just repeating "ara ara" and is struggling to make it past 2 minutes without bursting into laughter
 

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Moving away from "nousagi u fucked up" session, I distinctly remember that MornLurker mentioned that ANYCOLOR has made a statement regarding their first ex-ID talent graduation, Miyu Ottavia and how she will be doing member stream to explain stuff regarding her decision.



So she chose the nuke option out of her own choice and that some of her cover might be gone.

Her membership stream is 2hrs long (q&a styled chat stream), I just got back so I'm going to try watching the whole thing later and see if there's any more info apart from this one
Btw as far as VODs talk goes, I believe ragtag will be archiving most of her public stuff but as for membership and twitter stuff it's up to those who are interested in doing the job

Plenty, because all Luxiem fanfic I saw is all gay stuff.

No really, they really like to tell all sort of stories that would result in luxiem fucking each other with handholding and gay kisses and shit. Is scary.
A large number of luxiem fans are fujos, which is also because a lot of them tend to do gaybaiting stuff in the early year (even before Uki, actual gay men debuted) and even if it does gets toned down, they've already cultivated a huge community of coomers fujo so nothing could be done except if they wanted to tardwrangle 'em and possibly losing half if not most of their audiences.
Doesn't help that the retardation gets tripled when it comes to Chinese fujos

anw the nousagi stuff is horrifying, I would initially give the guy the benefit of doubt from panicking over being exposed but putting that particular keeki video and re-uploading it to his own channel is just vile at best
 
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Sithis

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So about 2 hr 45 minute into her fishing stream Shiina discussed some stuff about her own parasocialism and that led to discussing the "limited interaction" drama going on.

She didn't say much about it for not wanting to cause problems for Tenma or anyone else but clarified it wouldn't be an issue for her or her community - which is great since her interactions with her community do seem a lot, um, healthier than some of the other PC girls... But holy shit yeah she just confirmed what we already knew, fishman and PC management are putting new and different rules that dictate how much the talent can interact with community and in what ways.

Fishman you idiot do you not realize that their interaction is why PC enjoys such a loyal fan base? Phase probably has  the most loyal fanbase I've seen. Holo has armies of simps but I feel like that meta community goes from one to another favorite and Hololive is a large company so their parasocial feels are spread over a larger target.
Phase Connect might not have as many whales throwing red supas every minute or so but they have a very loyal audience of people who tend to pick one or two of the streamers as favorites yet support all the rest as a group. Longevity of any company requires loyal fans.
And it's really weird that Tenma seems to have been one of them targeted. The only explanation I can think of is that it was some dumbass attempt at a persuasion/coercion move by fish to show her who's boss after the drama with Pippa and people speculating that if Pippa was driven out Tenma would leave.
I hope fishman learns to stop fucking with the sad girls. Pippa and Tenma especially have seemingly each found their own innovative ways to grow, Pippa keeps drawing in more and more people from various communities while Tenma has been gaining more appeal on channels like Nagzz, and they both have extremely loyal spergs who turn up in numbers for them. Leave them alone and let them grow!
:fishfry::cursedbae:
 

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Have all ye heard? It's Christmas.

Rates Christmas as D tier and talks up all the other holidays.
Starts celebrating Christmas a month early before Thanksgiving has even happened.

But holy shit yeah she just confirmed what we already knew, fishman and PC management are putting new and different rules that dictate how much the talent can interact with community and in what ways.
This seems like a very messy way of handling things. The difference between a good boss and a shitty one is how heavily the presence is felt, so a shitty one will see a problem, such as unicorns, and put restrictions on the talent which makes them feel less free and more under the microscope. A good boss would instead find ways of creating action plans so that if something starts getting too heated or some shit becomes suspicious they're ready with measures to protect the talent, but otherwise those things don't hamper how the talent performs.
 

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So about 2 hr 45 minute into her fishing stream Shiina discussed some stuff about her own parasocialism and that led to discussing the "limited interaction" drama going on.

She didn't say much about it for not wanting to cause problems for Tenma or anyone else but clarified it wouldn't be an issue for her or her community - which is great since her interactions with her community do seem a lot, um, healthier than some of the other PC girls... But holy shit yeah she just confirmed what we already knew, fishman and PC management are putting new and different rules that dictate how much the talent can interact with community and in what ways.

Fishman you idiot do you not realize that their interaction is why PC enjoys such a loyal fan base? Phase probably has  the most loyal fanbase I've seen. Holo has armies of simps but I feel like that meta community goes from one to another favorite and Hololive is a large company so their parasocial feels are spread over a larger target.
Phase Connect might not have as many whales throwing red supas every minute or so but they have a very loyal audience of people who tend to pick one or two of the streamers as favorites yet support all the rest as a group. Longevity of any company requires loyal fans.
And it's really weird that Tenma seems to have been one of them targeted. The only explanation I can think of is that it was some dumbass attempt at a persuasion/coercion move by fish to show her who's boss after the drama with Pippa and people speculating that if Pippa was driven out Tenma would leave.
I hope fishman learns to stop fucking with the sad girls. Pippa and Tenma especially have seemingly each found their own innovative ways to grow, Pippa keeps drawing in more and more people from various communities while Tenma has been gaining more appeal on channels like Nagzz, and they both have extremely loyal spergs who turn up in numbers for them. Leave them alone and let them grow!
:fishfry::cursedbae:
With all the back and forth leash tightening and then loosening up the fish has done over the past few months, it feels like he really badly wants to "clean up" Phase's image. Is he badly looking for a buyout?
 

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He's still doing erotic BFE ASMRs.

In short, Vox is a lad of contrasts.
He just knows where his $80,000 from last month's superchats come from.

This vtuber made the Lolime fanart which Pippa retweeted. She's only done a couple of streams so far averaging like 1-2 viewers i think, but I like her voice and her drawing stream I'm watching right now is comfy. She's making an anime girl inspired by a weird stringy looking sea creature. So consider checking her out. EilisUmbra.


The Lolime art she posted very shortly after Pippa's FlaVR creation stream was concluded:
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That was very chill. Sorta reminded me of when Ina used to do art streams except with barely anyone talking on chat. Even so, she still managed to keep talking.

I feel like the Keeki video was just him stupidly using his YT account to host a video for archival purposes.
Yes, which he fucked up. Should've hosted it on a throwaway account.

Yes, foot down, parasocials told off, he sure laid down the law.
I don't think they have been targeting Mika or Reimu with harassment after he called them out on it so technically he did lay down the law. He never said he would stop doing ASMR or BFE. He did say he would stop doing them if the harassment continued which is basically the kryptonite to his fujo fans. Guessing a few of them got hunted down and lost social credit for harassment.

So about 2 hr 45 minute into her fishing stream Shiina discussed some stuff about her own parasocialism and that led to discussing the "limited interaction" drama going on.

She didn't say much about it for not wanting to cause problems for Tenma or anyone else but clarified it wouldn't be an issue for her or her community - which is great since her interactions with her community do seem a lot, um, healthier than some of the other PC girls... But holy shit yeah she just confirmed what we already knew, fishman and PC management are putting new and different rules that dictate how much the talent can interact with community and in what ways.

Fishman you idiot do you not realize that their interaction is why PC enjoys such a loyal fan base? Phase probably has  the most loyal fanbase I've seen. Holo has armies of simps but I feel like that meta community goes from one to another favorite and Hololive is a large company so their parasocial feels are spread over a larger target.
Phase Connect might not have as many whales throwing red supas every minute or so but they have a very loyal audience of people who tend to pick one or two of the streamers as favorites yet support all the rest as a group. Longevity of any company requires loyal fans.
And it's really weird that Tenma seems to have been one of them targeted. The only explanation I can think of is that it was some dumbass attempt at a persuasion/coercion move by fish to show her who's boss after the drama with Pippa and people speculating that if Pippa was driven out Tenma would leave.
I hope fishman learns to stop fucking with the sad girls. Pippa and Tenma especially have seemingly each found their own innovative ways to grow, Pippa keeps drawing in more and more people from various communities while Tenma has been gaining more appeal on channels like Nagzz, and they both have extremely loyal spergs who turn up in numbers for them. Leave them alone and let them grow!
:fishfry::cursedbae:
As I said before, I feel that this all comes from the whole shitshow with Vera Vee and Lumi/Yuri's old failed company where she basically killed the company.
I completely agree with you. Phase Connect has a very loyal fanbase and as you say, part of that comes from how involved the talents are with the community. Talking about Nagzz, his fucking community is stupidly loyal. A few weeks ago they raided Koe and he got 400 gifted subs in about an hour.

In parts I understand why Fishman wants to avoid it but at the same time he has to understand that a huge part of what makes Phase popular is the talent/viewer interaciton which most big corpos dont really have.
 

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I'll play devil's advocate and say having different rules for different talents isn't inherently wrong, there can be reasons why something may be appropriate for one talent but not for another. For example I think intervening with Lia's drunk streams was the right decision. She's emotionally unstable and seemingly becomes vulnerable when she's been drinking, so broadcasting to hundreds of people in that state is a disaster waiting to happen. But I don't think that should have to impact other streamers in the company who can drink responsibly.

The actual problem in Phase comes from those rules constantly changing for arbitrary reasons. You can talk about Kiwi Farms, now you can't. You can post 4chan memes, now you can't. You can watch films with the Discord group, now you can't. It's frustrating for the viewers because what may be fine to post one week will get your message deleted the next, and there's no doubt it puts the talents on edge knowing there's constantly a new restriction in place they have to remember.

This has been said plenty before but what Phase really need is for the fish to stop being so fucking stingy and hire more talent managers. One-size-fits-all regulations don't work when you have so many varying personalities but they do still need personal guidance, more staff would mean the girls can liaise with someone who can help them interact with their community in a healthier manner because the manager would actually have time to understand their respective content and communities.
 
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