General Vtuber Discussion (V1)

[Big PiPi Energy]

Did something happen that made most of Myth speak out about AI art? Did I miss some sort of yab? It just seems strange that all of a sudden 4 of the 5 girls are talking about it on the same day.

 

[Piarro]

Did something happen that made most of Myth speak out about AI art? Did I miss some sort of yab? It just seems strange that all of a sudden 4 of the 5 girls are talking about it on the same day.

It feels very reasonable to assume that this is all coming from management.

 

[BioBreak]

Nah, right after she made the original tweet, there were a few angry replies accusing her of supporting AI pictures, so she deleted it and made a new tweet where she omitted out the tag name and made it clear that she is not making a statement.

Can't say I'm not disappointed. Watson's been pretty good at handling her stream schizos and backseaters but the moment some art fags sperg out, this is where she backs down? You're still my oshi, Watson, but you can't let these luddites back you down like that. Fuck 'em.

Did I miss some sort of yab? It just seems strange that all of a sudden 4 of the 5 girls are talking about it on the same day.

Not necessarily a holo-specific yab but the NovelAI statement saying they've been training their AI on art posted on Danbooru did generate some fairly loud outcry from some anime artist as a lot of unattributed art does get posted on Danbooru. But then again, the hard part is explaining that the AI isn't necessarily taking their art and mish-mashing them but is actually training on those pixels and generating it's own - much in the same way that an artist may see a piece of art and create something similar inspired by it. A lot of the debate is centered around the lack of understanding (or the resistance to it) on that end.

Curious to hear what Ina's take on it is - being the best artist of the group and actually having a massive following of art-fags.

 

[Empty_Inbox]

Look at that hair turned into tie, lol

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More to Vtuber topic, Selen said it out loud (well, she tweeted)

Spoiler: Twitter

Also stumbled onto this, holy shit the memories

Spoiler: Twitter, art of Kronii referencing old internet video

 

[Scoots]

Horse tweet


Cyno VA suffering from RNG

 

[DrStupid]

Look at that hair turned into tie, lol

> It's not copypasting from existing art.
> Exhibit A

ok bro.

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

Now all we need is just a text-to-speach immitating her voice and we don't even need the original anymore! Glory to our new AI overloards!

Artificial mold sucks! Give me the real deal!

Re: chatbots
Did anyone use chatbots for anything but porn? I remember it being a challenge to not accidentally sodomize your mother in aidungeon

 

[RestlessRain]

Re: chatbots
Did anyone use chatbots for anything but porn? I remember it being a challenge to not accidentally sodomize your mother in aidungeon

Was in a Discord which had a chatbot that had a setlist of randomly-generated phrases based off a particular person and would, occasionally, randomly say one of those phrases. Due to the randomish, left-field nature of what the original person would say, this would make for some hilarious responses.

 

[Scoots]

Pon Wolf makes a parody
Pon Wolf bullies (actually gets bullied by) Narrator

 

[Ensok]

Kiara happy as ever playing Mario Kart now, everything being overblown as always. Also she plans doing a watch along of the Mario movie trailer in a couple hours when it comes out.

 

[Thomas Talus]

I would offer that this would be no more or less risky than using art from any other source, but I can see why people who are new to navigating these waters, such as corporates, would be hesitant to want to progress into uncharted waters; regardless of what the Trademark Office says.

Regardless, they did posit that it can be applied the Fair-Use Doctrine just like every other artist under the moon. This, more or less is putting the AI developers under the same burden artists undergo; and many of the copies that have come out wouldn't breach Fair-Use unless the user explicitly asked for something specific that would; like a specific character (which isn't any different than fan-art unless you are trying to profit off of it) or drawing in "a specific user's style" (something commented on in a different section of that pdf.)

If the AI took upon so many different art pieces to learn from, all from many, many different artists, it is likely that no copyright claim would exactly stick (how could 100's or even 1000's of artists all leverage a copyright claim against the same entity? Did they all copy each other as well?). Any of the similarities at that point would be so nuanced and benign that it would begin to breach into "copyright concepts and styles" territory. If we actually allowed lawsuits like this, in general, to hold water, nothing really could be created anymore.

For brevity, I think: they said fair-use doctrine can and will apply, they mention of no additional burdens the AI must prove than any other artist must prove. The fact by fact case basis is fine IMO, if they didn't keep it to the same standard applied to all artists, then they could blatantly copy and get away with it.

The use of the derivative work is going to be an important factor in fair use analysis, and a for-profit corpo using it as part of their revenue-generating activities is going to weigh strongly against fair use.

Also the training process seems to require reproduction of the copyrighted work in full as part of the process, so you potentially have thousands of claimants who can seek statutory damages of $750-$30k each.

 

[lakyus]

Amiya playing more Megaman Legends 2

 

[Faceless Waifu]

More to Vtuber topic, Selen said it out loud (well, she tweeted)

She also tweeted this.


IDOLE

 

[masterstocking]

The use of the derivative work is going to be an important factor in fair use analysis, and a for-profit corpo using it as part of their revenue-generating activities is going to weigh strongly against fair use.

Also the training process seems to require reproduction of the copyrighted work in full as part of the process, so you potentially have thousands of claimants who can seek statutory damages of $750-$30k each.

And Japan doesn't even believe in fair use at all, which is why companies like Cover are shitting themselves over their being even the slightest potential for lawsuits (I think they had enough of just dealing with Holobass' bullshit anyways, they don't need more legal headaches). AI art will likely be considered legally derivative in Japan, knowing how they think. God knows how insanely protective Nintendo is of their IP



Ah, good old Quasarcake. Recording Kronii at her best...and at her worst

 

[Scoots]

Rie wtf


Regis in scarle chat

 

[Realticule]

I don't think this Azchan clip was shared yet:


And in Lumi's own words

 

[Fucking YTs]

"I also love the way she gags, it's so cute! What the heck? I gag like a 50 year-old man. It's like 'blah', right? But, when like Kronii gags it's like 'hekah' . It sounds like a bird." - Bae 2022

 

[Realticule]

I don't know why this was made, but here it is

 

[Sh4gg1]

This motherfucker just released a better version of Let's get It Started and edited his face in the entire mv.

Peak kino.

 

[Piarro]

Shark time. Horror game with heart monitor.

She's finally admitted to being a Disney adult.