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[CalciumAnimal]

I do not see how they disprove my point in any way. The hiatus of a talent does not equal the company not having power over them.

If they needed to fear fishman they would not be coasting for months and Hina would not have gotten a cover immediately upon return that's a pretty strong indicator your speaking out your arsehole again.

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

If they needed to fear fishman they would not be coasting for months and Hina would not have gotten a cover immediately upon return that's a pretty strong indicator your speaking out your arsehole again.

Not to side with Proctor on this, I think the stronger indicator would be if either streamed or did stuff outside of their Hina/Saya personas. I think that would be a more probable case of leniency

 

[Helkar]

The hiatus of a talent

According to Hina it was more of a disappearance. As in, she ghosted the company, entirely*, for at least two months and was still allowed back in as if nothing happened after reappearing.
This level of leniency for a relatively-new and relatively-unimpressive employee(we're not talking gura-level juggernaut here who'd generate heaps of cash even in absentia) is frankly absurd for any sane business enterprise.

*i have speculated back when they paused memberships for Hina that Phase themselves actually had no idea where she was, and it later turned out i was absolutely correct lol.

 

[The Proctor]

If they needed to fear fishman they would not be coasting for months and Hina would not have gotten a cover immediately upon return that's a pretty strong indicator your speaking out your arsehole again.

According to Hina it was more of a disappearance. As in, she ghosted the company, entirely, for at least two months and was still allowed back in as if nothing happened after reappearing.
This level of leniency for a relatively-new and relatively-unimpressive employee(we're not talking gura-level juggernaut here who'd generate heaps of cash even in absentia) is frankly absurd for any sane business enterprise.

I don't view it as absurd at all. It was a prime example of turning a bad thing into a good thing. I cite the Tenma model leak as a supporting example. In that event, Sakana was fully justified in heavily punishing a talent. Most corporations would probably have done something. Instead it was turned into a PR move. The Hina situation can be argued as no different. Besides that, we have no idea whatsoever how Hina was treated behind the scenes. We don't know if there are or were consequences for her absence, a renegotiation of contracts, conditions upon her return, etc. All of that is opaque to us.

I see it as simply a logical move to support her return, one that has obvious PR benefits and no downsides. Firing her would simply have lost that IP asset and all possibilities related to it. We also don't know exactly why she was no-contact either, just speculation and circumstantial evidence. It may be that she was able to provide perfectly acceptable, sympathetic reasons for her hiatus - or more pragmatically, her reasons were sympathetic enough to an audience that firing her in the current climate would've been a potential source of controversy best avoided.

Edit: Also a factor worth noting is that vtuber employees are essentially zero-maintenance when not streaming. They don't get paid unless they work. A vtuber who isn't streaming but still in your company is a net-neutral asset; they aren't any drain on resources, so the traditional approaches of dealing with unproductive employees either aren't applicable or have their dynamics redefined.

 

[dkn2038]

lesbear stream

 

[Saturnus]

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Cursed ass twitter pfp from a Liacon as usual.

 

[dkn2038]

According to Hina it was more of a disappearance. As in, she ghosted the company, entirely*, for at least two months and was still allowed back in as if nothing happened after reappearing.
This level of leniency for a relatively-new and relatively-unimpressive employee(we're not talking gura-level juggernaut here who'd generate heaps of cash even in absentia) is frankly absurd for any sane business enterprise.

*i have speculated back when they paused memberships for Hina that Phase themselves actually had no idea where she was, and it later turned out i was absolutely correct lol.

I imagine sakana agreeing to wait while managers were praying to hear again she was alive at least...

 

[All-Usernames]

noting is that vtuber employees are essentially zero-maintenance when not streaming. They don't get paid unless they work. A vtuber who isn't streaming but still in your company is a net-neutral asset; they aren't any drain on resources, so the traditional approaches of dealing with unproductive employees either aren't applicable or have their dynamics redefined.

Just noting that, especially in smaller companies, that "essentially" is doing a lot of heavy lifting for company overhead costs.
Running a company always generates costs. Things without revenue are not net-neutral.

 

[The Proctor]

Just noting that, especially in smaller companies, that "essentially" is doing a lot of heavy lifting for company overhead costs.
Running a company always generates costs. Things without revenue are not net-neutral.

I'm looking at costs in terms of things like model cost, asset cost, equipment cost, etc. Were you thinking of others? It's nearly 4AM, I'm not about to claim my analysis is comprehensive.

 

[RestlessRain]

I think the power dynamic is more complex than that. The vtuber community on the whole carries the most anti-corpo sentiment it ever has and even Hololive has been knocked back onto one leg with the recent chain of graduations (reputation-wise; it'll obviously survive, but Nijisanji EN is technically surviving even if everyone involved is one bad day away from neckroping). Everyone is waiting for the next corpo fuckup they can use to push that anti-corpo sentiment even further and I'm absolutely certain Sakana's aware of this; he knows that he's one bad (or even good, but unpopular) decision away from being the next villain, so while he has more sway over the lesser-performing talents than he did in 2021 as it stands right now, the fact he knows his life could be made significantly more diffficult at any moment probably has him walking on eggshells anyway to compensate.

Sakana not only has to justify his decisions to Phase Connect fans and the wider vtuber community, he also has to justify them to the talents, many of whom are quite outspoken and not subtle when discussing their thoughts on Phase Connect's decisions if they disagree with them. If Sakana was being unreasonable or unfair with his decisions, I'm sure we'd hear about it in quite short order.

 

[John Vtuber👁️]

I've tried reading all of this, and have failed, so my position still stands that Muumi should be paid more for the sheer amount of work she does in holding the company together, and the talents have every legal right to bully fishman whenever they want

WHERE'S THE MUUMI MERCH, FISHMAN, I DON'T WANT TO GACHA FOR THE CHANCE OF IT, I WILL PAY THE FULL PRICE FOR ONE (1) MUUMI MERCH

 

[Saturnus]

I didn't really read any of this, just thought this was important to finish off the conversation here on TVA.

Spoiler

 

[Superduper Samurai]

I didn't really read any of this, just thought this was important to finish off the conversation here on TVA.

Spoiler

I hope your oshi joins Nijisanji
Oh wait, she already did
I hope your oshi joins Vshojo

 

[Thomas Talus]

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Life is like a hurricane
Here in
EmBurg

I don't view it as absurd at all. It was a prime example of turning a bad thing into a good thing. I cite the Tenma model leak as a supporting example. In that event, Sakana was fully justified in heavily punishing a talent. Most corporations would probably have done something. Instead it was turned into a PR move. The Hina situation can be argued as no different. Besides that, we have no idea whatsoever how Hina was treated behind the scenes. We don't know if there are or were consequences for her absence, a renegotiation of contracts, conditions upon her return, etc. All of that is opaque to us.

I see it as simply a logical move to support her return, one that has obvious PR benefits and no downsides. Firing her would simply have lost that IP asset and all possibilities related to it. We also don't know exactly why she was no-contact either, just speculation and circumstantial evidence. It may be that she was able to provide perfectly acceptable, sympathetic reasons for her hiatus - or more pragmatically, her reasons were sympathetic enough to an audience that firing her in the current climate would've been a potential source of controversy best avoided.

Something about the industry that I think Fishman gets in a way that Riku or a lot of failed microcorpo CEOs don't is that the talents, once they attract their audiences, aren't particularly fungible. The audience isn't there for just any streamer you put in front of them, they're showing up for the particular talent(s) they like, and will go elsewhere if presented with a "replacement." You might retain some of them, but losing a talent will often mean a commensurate loss of your total business which would have to be rebuilt from scratch as a new, unproven talent tries to grow.

 

[God's Strongest Dragoon]

What evidence from the streams you claim I don't watch invalidate any of my claims here? I'd appreciate timestamps and references, because I want to make sure I have a complete picture on matters and am not mislead, thank you.

>Phase tourist makes retarded claims and argues the burden is on me to provide timestamps and references to refute him
Fuck off and do your reps, fag.

How would that have an impact on whether or not she would leave Phase? To clarify, I agree that they'd throw a fit. But my point had nothing to do with how they'd react, but how Pippa's mindset would influence her decision to begin with. The fact that her fanbase would revolt would not have any particular impact on her own self-doubt and recrimination, in my assessment. I would even weigh it as a negative factor in her potential decision to graduate in a bad situation, because she'd likely see the resulting fallout as 'her fault' and causing disruption for the other talents, whose situations she has repeatedly shown deference to.

In your original argument, you were claiming that Sakana had obtained significant leverage in his position over the talents due to Phase becoming an established corpo. You argued that because of this, he doesn't need to listen to his talents and he could lose any 2 or 3 talents and the corpo would be perfectly viable. I refuted that by pointing out how if Pippa and Tenma left and it was presented in any way less than perfectly harmonious, Phase would be labeled a pariah and be crippled.

Then you claimed I misunderstood your point, which you claimed was that Sakana had gained enough power and influence over the industry that he doesn't need to be confrontational to get what he wants but nonetheless he could whip Pippa to the point of scars and Phase would be fine when she leaves because she would self-blame and would avoid confrontation. I also pointed to regardless of whether that's true, Capipis would immediately notice her behavior and blame Sakana. I had also mentioned how your claim that Tenma would avoid confrontation with Sakana is such a tourist take that you might as swap your icon for @MerelyTourist.

Now you're trying to claim your point is that Pippa's mindset would influence her to either avoid a messy graduation, which is entirely different that the prior rebuttal I made that it doesn't matter how the graduation is presented, it's how she'll act and Capipis would pick up on it.

Stop trying to argue in circles, retard. You do this every time you get called out on being blatantly wrong.

 

[All-Usernames]

I'm looking at costs in terms of things like model cost, asset cost, equipment cost, etc. Were you thinking of others? It's nearly 4AM, I'm not about to claim my analysis is comprehensive.

The talent specific costs, assuming they are already recoupedy are probably non existent.
But that's why I mentioned "company overhead costs"
That's everything you pay for running the company.
That includes prospective growth, as it is not non-profit.
Examples would be: non-talent salaries, pre paying assets/merchstuff (not made by order)/company event stuff/new gens, marketing and I'm sure other things.

Or a simplified example: you have running costs of 100vbucks/month
5 talents generate 20vbucks/month
No you are break even
Now you suddenly only have 4 talents
This gives different scenarios:
4 have now to generate 5vbucks more per month
Or you have to fire staff
Or you run a loss

And this would not include growth.

I hope this is concise and understandable as I myself run on no sleep right now

 

[lakyus]

 

[Kanna's Glowiest Assistant]

Nephilim and Aussie Rat (forma de chuuni) got hired to shill the port of a 30-year-old arcade game. It's scuff at all levels

Aussie Rat (forma de mimic) organises a monsterfucker competition with other GlitchStars girls

I have to say, I've been enjoying Arisa a lot these last few weeks. She has very good streamer energy and a vtuber who specialises in dating sims and other narrative-heavy games is an interesting niche.
Muscle yeen gets remonetised

She plans to transfer the Patreon streams to Youtube membership and just keep a $1 Patreon membership for BTS content and as a feedback inbox.
Looking at who at Brave was demonetised in February, it appears the situation has resolved itself.

I've just checked, and as far as I can tell everyone in VSPO!EN and Globie is monetised (I'm going by who has their Join membership button activated). As for the other agencies, here's who don't seem to be:

• idol-ES: Akugaki Koa, Ruby Runeheart
• idol-EN: Enya Ignis (ENCORE), Coni Confetti (Endless), Cersea Soulstorm, Yena Youngblood, Riki Poppet, Daisy Dandelion (all of WILDFYRE)
• V4Mirai: Yae Yugiri (Gen 2), Alias Anono (Gen 3), the V4Mirai official channel

Edit: Alias has been demonetised for more than 6 months, so she doesn't count for this situation.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEY9CnSH0n0QKmY2Q-OH7Zw/community?lb=UgkxaMecNCiAkZHGPZoPTvBjMU3qmP8nVUWs

Just checked, everyone has been remonetised, even Yae, who I thought had been bonked for her content. She's celebrating right now

Imagine if gooning generated electric power...

Uwo has you covered

 

[frz]

The talent specific costs, assuming they are already recoupedy are probably non existent.
But that's why I mentioned "company overhead costs"
That's everything you pay for running the company.
That includes prospective growth, as it is not non-profit.
Examples would be: non-talent salaries, pre paying assets/merchstuff (not made by order)/company event stuff/new gens, marketing and I'm sure other things.

Or a simplified example: you have running costs of 100vbucks/month
5 talents generate 20vbucks/month
No you are break even
Now you suddenly only have 4 talents
This gives different scenarios:
4 have now to generate 5vbucks more per month
Or you have to fire staff
Or you run a loss

And this would not include growth.

I hope this is concise and understandable as I myself run on no sleep right now

When you dumb things down too much you run into the mistake of giving people ammunition
If phase connect generate 20 coffee beans/month (I refuse to use vbucks as a currency)
It would look more like this:
Pippa generate 8 coffee beans/month
Tenma generate 4 coffee beans/month
Lumi generates 4 coffee beans/month
Uruka generates 3 coffee beans/month
Hina generates 0.1 coffee bean
The rest cover the missing 0.9 coffee bean
Edit: I can't math

Proctor is arguing Hina generate so little it doesn't matter and not make sense to punish her. If pippa on the other hand decided to stop and you lose that 10 coffee beans/month. Things will certainly be dealt differently than the way Hina situation was handled.

At least that's what I hope Proctor is arguing, I didn't read most of his paragraphs
I'm just pointing out your argument is flawed.

 

[ZerroDefex]

When you dumb things down too much you run into the mistake of giving people ammunition
If phase connect generate 20 coffee beans/month (I refuse to use vbucks as a currency)
It would look more like this:
Pippa generate 8 coffee beans/month
Tenma generate 4 coffee beans/month
Lumi generates 4 coffee beans/month
Uruka generates 3 coffee beans/month
Hina generates 0.1 coffee bean
The rest cover the missing 0.9 coffee bean
Edit: I can't math

Proctor is arguing Hina generate so little it doesn't matter and not make sense to punish her. If pippa on the other hand decided to stop and you lose that 10 coffee beans/month. Things will certainly be dealt differently than the way Hina situation was handled.

At least that's what I hope Proctor is arguing, I didn't read most of his paragraphs
I'm just pointing out your argument is flawed.

Plus also given the circumstances concerning Hina's father maybe Sakana just took pity as well.