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Day 2 Vsai SF6 - zombie edition (LapxTowa sickness)
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(Every time I pick someone they do horrible so I will stop next time. Gomen Lap)

Head to head results for the different levels yesterday. FPS games have so many stats and room for interpretation but fighting games are brutal. Win or Lose. I hope the warm atmosphere that Coach Nanai (RIP) and others created softens the blow. For fucks sake Lap is sick and sad...

 

[RestlessRain]

Between ACCELERATION and Hololive the number of newcomers is falling far short of the demand im honestly surprised more grifters are not leveraging this fact though i suppose that's why half of the micro corpos explode overnight.

I wouldn't say demand for vtubers is falling short of supply, I'd say the exact opposite, that the amount of talents on offer could be argued to be oversaturated. Nearly all vtubers will have to have an second income source to cover their bills due to having small audiences and a limited income from streaming, and a new vtuber corpo can attract over a thousand applicants that are competing for approximately five positions within a gen, never mind an opening at a reputable vtuber corpo with a good track record.

 

[NeneLOVE]

I wouldn't say demand for vtubers is falling short of supply, I'd say the exact opposite, that the amount of talents on offer could be argued to be oversaturated. Nearly all vtubers will have to have an second income source to cover their bills due to having small audiences and a limited income from streaming, and a new vtuber corpo can attract over a thousand applicants that are competing for approximately five positions within a gen, never mind an opening at a reputable vtuber corpo with a good track record.

>Vtubers
>In short supply
Ha..ha... hahaha.... HAHAHAHAHAH!

 

[Helkar]

I wouldn't say demand for vtubers is falling short of supply, I'd say the exact opposite, that the amount of talents on offer could be argued to be oversaturated. Nearly all vtubers will have to have an second income source to cover their bills due to having small audiences and a limited income from streaming, and a new vtuber corpo can attract over a thousand applicants that are competing for approximately five positions within a gen, never mind an opening at a reputable vtuber corpo with a good track record.

e: I would say supply for specifically Hololive is falling short of demand.
A 2view can be incredibly talented, hard-working, engaging and entertaining and still be a 2view, because the market for 2-view indies is insanely over-saturated and she's nearly-impossible to find.
But even some people here are tracking every semi-notable graduation with "hey is this person going to be in EN5", despite the overall cynical nature of this place, i can only imagine how much of that is happening elsewhere.

e: wait, i'm retarded and haven't had much sleep in a week, shouldn't this be the other way around, supply falling short of demand? Demand falling short of supply means precisely what you wrote after saying you don't think that's the case.

 

[NeneLOVE]

I would say demand for specifically Hololive is falling short of supply.
A 2view can be incredibly talented, hard-working, engaging and entertaining and still be a 2view, because the market for 2-view indies is insanely over-saturated and she's nearly-impossible to find.
But even some people here are tracking every semi-notable graduation with "hey is this person going to be in EN5", despite the overall cynical nature of this place, i can only imagine how much of that is happening elsewhere.

Holo has a much bigger pull than just whatever people are already chuubas, Holo has reached the normalfag collective headspace so they can grab at talented girls in other industries just fine. Weren't people reeeing and having melties due to the fact that 2 flowglow girls were former c-tier idols?

Holo hasn't slowed down due to lack of applicants or talented people, mostly just because debuting more people has diminishing results for them and their business shifted to hoarding their valuable IPs, not spamming out chuubas to find new ones. We will still likely get 5-10 new girls this year and half of them will be established vtubers as always.

Smaller corpos aren't in trouble either, the better ones can lure in reincarnations with empty promises, the shittier ones don't mind hiring whatever comes to their door so they'll be fine. Brave and Vshojo feed on the scraps of others so as long as other people do the work for them they'll also be well fed. Idk why anyone would be struggling rn.

 

[Helkar]

Holo has a much bigger pull than just whatever people are already chuubas, Holo has reached the normalfag collective headspace so they can grab at talented girls in other industries just fine. Weren't people reeeing and having melties due to the fact that 2 flowglow girls were former c-tier idols?

Holo hasn't slowed down due to lack of applicants or talented people, mostly just because debuting more people has diminishing results for them and their business shifted to hoarding their valuable IPs, not spamming out chuubas to find new ones. We will still likely get 5-10 new girls this year and half of them will be established vtubers as always.

Yeah i goofed with the wording of that post, my overall idea was basic "the market is heavily over-saturated at the bottom, but those at the top don't really feel this and will probably not feel it for a long time".
Though i guess even Niji has slowed down with pumping chuubas out, so the mentioned saturation is having some effect.

 

[NeneLOVE]

Yeah i goofed with the wording of that post, my overall idea was basic "the market is heavily over-saturated at the bottom, but those at the top don't really feel this and will probably not feel it for a long time".
Though i guess even Niji has slowed down with pumping chuubas out, so the mentioned saturation is having some effect.

Popularity-based markets will never be saturated at the top, if someone gets popular someone else has to loose popularity unless new eyes are getting brought in.
Small corpos aren't really feeling it imo because they constantly die, you might say indies are gonna pull ccv away from them but there's a specific niche for small corpo vtubers as long as none of them hold a stable monopoly then the niche will stay open for new challengers.

I say this because all of these tiny corpos I have never heard of get brought up, hyped before their debut and then the talents get 3view status instantly. It's very obvious there's an audience for these things in the west, chalk it up to people wanting their own pet corpo or whatever.

 

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[Moth Enjoyer V2]

based fuck those catty black bitches

 

[RestlessRain]

e: I would say supply for specifically Hololive is falling short of demand.
A 2view can be incredibly talented, hard-working, engaging and entertaining and still be a 2view, because the market for 2-view indies is insanely over-saturated and she's nearly-impossible to find.
But even some people here are tracking every semi-notable graduation with "hey is this person going to be in EN5", despite the overall cynical nature of this place, i can only imagine how much of that is happening elsewhere.

I don't know if you could increase the number of talents at Hololive faster than Hololive already is, though. If you release talents too quickly, you run into the problem that Nijisanji ran into, cannibalising the audiences of previously-established talents and not really making more money for your efforts. Not good. There's also the bottleneck of the mocap studio - more talents means more demands on the studio, and I don't know how much you can scale to meet increased demand there, either.

I'm also not sure that there is a pool of talents large enough to pull from more often than Hololive is now - they might get tens of thousands of applicants when they open auditions, but how many of those are really at Hololive-tier and aren't just tourists and two-views that are too clueless to see how lacking they are?

 

[dkn2038]

Hopefully saved for eternity

 

[NeneLOVE]

I don't know if you could increase the number of talents at Hololive faster than Hololive already is, though. If you release talents too quickly, you run into the problem that Nijisanji ran into, cannibalising the audiences of previously-established talents and not really making more money for your efforts. Not good. There's also the bottleneck of the mocap studio - more talents means more demands on the studio, and I don't know how much you can scale to meet increased demand there, either.

I'm also not sure that there is a pool of talents large enough to pull from more often than Hololive is now - they might get tens of thousands of applicants when they open auditions, but how many of those are really at Hololive-tier and aren't just tourists and two-views that are too clueless to see how lacking they are?

I believe there are more than 80ish sufficiently talented people in this world lol, Holo isn't THAT elite anyway. As I said if the industry itself runs dry they'll still be getting lots of outsiders. Another thing to consider is that Holo makes their own future applicants, at least in the JP side a couple of the new girls have cited watching one or more OGs of the company years ago and being inspired to work hard to join.

Remember that poll where a big chunk of japanese schoolchildren said they'd want to be vtubers when they grew up? Yeah, the new recruits for gen 89 are already being trained.

 

[RestlessRain]

Remember that poll where a big chunk of japanese schoolchildren said they'd want to be vtubers when they grew up? Yeah, the new recruits for gen 89 are already being trained.

Yeah, and every black kids in the US wants to play basketball when they're an adult, but out of hundreds of thousands of kids that do, there might be three that end up playing pro.

 

[NeneLOVE]

Yeah, and every black kids in the US wants to play basketball when they're an adult, but out of hundreds of thousands of kids that do, there might be three that end up playing pro.

I think that whatever zerro saw as wrong with the industry (the comment that started this whole conversation)

I swear the VTubing world just keeps feeling smaller, every time someone "new" debuts it's a voice already heard and since their previous character graduated several months prior it's a net-zero increase in the overall community.

is more related to corpos which are too lazy to raise their own talent or audiences which just wanna watch the same 10 people they like rather than "WE'VE RUN OUT OF TALENTED PEOPLEEEEE!!!!!!!". I don't think there's any shortage of hidden talent in people, just that both audiences and companies are too lazy to actually nurture it or give it a chance.

In this regard Holo and Niji are actually the least culpable, as both still get a mix of unproven and proven people.

 

[Negronald Trump]

Let me tell ya, in terms of cultivating talent, Holo's the best. They turned a normalfag into a powerful duck idol, a D-tier actress as their own daisenpai, a rapping wigger who just recently sold out her concert, an autistic gamer who had a million eyeballs watch her graduation and a Flip who's a very popular singer in Japan. Holo is not perfect but damn, their hit rate is about 80% (Let's not talk about Stars though...).

 

[Abomination]

based fuck those catty black bitches

This one actually just came across my feed and was looking a bit into it too. Her original Tweet that caught traction definitely popped off. Over a million views in the last few days.

Obviously, most people have been supportive and not a bunch if whining retards, but there have definitely been plenty of those:


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And of course, this retard had something to say:

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Typical story of retards chimping out (pun intended) about something stupid, and instead of bringing much hate or anything towards this vtuber, they helped boost her popularity by a ton. But of course, all the support is coming from a bunch of racists, including all those black people who say they have no issue with it. I saw a bunch of people compare this to that Animal Crossing hair incident that happened years ago, and yeah, pretty much the same.

So congrats to BananaJuju for the boost in popularity because some retards decided to act as your publicists.

 

[Italian Raccoon]

This one actually just came across my feed and was looking a bit into it too. Her original Tweet that caught traction definitely popped off. Over a million views in the last few days.

Obviously, most people have been supportive and not a bunch if whining retards, but there have definitely been plenty of those:


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And of course, this retard had something to say:

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Typical story of retards chimping out (pun intended) about something stupid, and instead of bringing much hate or anything towards this vtuber, they helped boost her popularity by a ton. But of course, all the support is coming from a bunch of racists, including all those black people who say they have no issue with it. I saw a bunch of people compare this to that Animal Crossing hair incident that happened years ago, and yeah, pretty much the same.

So congrats to BananaJuju for the boost in popularity because some retards decided to act as your publicists.

Nothing will be funnier than SJW's making up racist narratives in their head for something and in turn showing off how racist they actually are. A normal person wouldn't try to co-relate her having dreads and being a monkey vtuber to be racist against black people lol.

 

[Hff201]

Is the monkey chick even American? This backlash really feels like one of those "Americans not realising the rest of the world isn't America" situations, performative outrage about "cultural appropriation" is such a distinctly unique middle-class college kid phenomenon that the average seamonkey or latinx would look at and wonder what the fuck they're talking about.

isn't bint a SEAmonkey

I'm not sure, but he spends every moment of his day farming validation from English-speaking social justice warriors on Twitter so he's just as fucked in the brain as they are.

 

[frz]

Is the monkey chick even American? This backlash really feels like one of those "Americans not realising the rest of the world isn't America" situations, performative outrage about "cultural appropriation" is such a distinctly unique middle-class college kid phenomenon that the average seamonkey or latinx would look at and wonder what the fuck they're talking about.

isn't bint a SEAmonkey
Skimming through the monkey chick twitter, she seems to be european, self-proclaimed homeless & living in a van as she travels through sweden. Most of her pictures were in a place called Öland in Sweden

She also drove her van through this place

Which I located as the ifö center in Bromölla, Sweden, which is a 4 hour drive from Oland
So my money is not american, and she specifically picked monkey because she enjoys camping in the jungle.
I have very little reason to doubt that this backstory is all fake as the payoff is not worth the effort

 

[kushami tasukaru]

AZKi singing to reach 1.2 million subs.

Under 3000 subs to go.

Re:AcT's Usuwa Suu will have a 3D karaoke collab with Hizuki Rurufu and 774inc's graduating member Touri Sei.

Suu talked about this in her previous Wednesday karaoke when she heard the graduation news, she reached out to Sei to do one last collab. Also mentioned she had to request Re:AcT to provide a studio for 3D on a short notice which the company gave.
Sei mentioned in her last weekend recap that only her original songs will remain public which means unfortunately these piano sessions will be privated at the end of April. Enjoy while you still can.

She also said during her zatsu she wished to put her viewers in chains and take them away with her.

Chihaya's expo story.


Leveret subbed another section of the RPG with too many spoilers but instead of Re:AcT's Marumochi Tsukimi, the player is an indie Vtuber this time.

Checking the channel, she plays Wuthering Waves, Blade And Soul, and some other games. Part 3 might have a different Vtuber playing and getting clipped (mentioned either Yuki Sakuna or Lize Helesta).

Another picture of Kohaku Yuri's new look, from 774inc's account.