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Sankisei

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Meanwhile Altare is coming up on two months in his "one month, maybe more" hiatus and Shinri is still vague posting on PL.

I wonder when the Altare bomb will hit and if he'll take anyone with him, I'm 80% sure he is gone at the next opportunity and others are showing similar signs of frustration.

They are still making merch of him for the EXPO but didnt confirm him appearing in the HOLOSTARS side

Maybe after EXPO? in can be April or May , because the last time someone graduated after EXPO was Aqua but hers was on August


Mike apparently joined a talent agency (that seems to only have two other vtubers on their roster) and signed a record deal (label details TBA)

Oh yeah i will trust this great talent agency with vtubers such as (BIGHATMONKEY)
 

The Proctor

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Genuine question: why are so many young women fucking obsessed with gay porn? What is the brain-switch that triggers this?
Like it's not even a recent phenomenon, fanfiction as far back as i can remember was mostly women writing gay porn of their favorite male characters(or self-inserting, it's one of the two)

I've been curious about this myself and done a decent amount of research on it. Given how ubiquitous it is in vtubing, I've been able to ask a fair few and gotten their thoughts on it, so I've got what I feel is a solid mixture of first-hand accounts and actual scholarly analysis.

Most women trust gay men more than regular men, because they don't feel threatened by them. The average man can overpower the average woman with only minimal effort, so any interaction between a woman and a straight man always carries a risk that is absent in the company of a homosexual. Women perceive gay men as intrinsically more feminine and agreeable, while still retaining the basic social inclinations of men, which makes them better company than other women - hopefully I don't need to explain why.

Women are statistically more likely to go to a gay man for dating and relationship advice about another man than either a straight man or another woman (if given equal access to all choices). They also trust gay men more in nearly all social contexts. The female stereotype of the homosexual relationship is one of passionate spontaneity - a very quick, intense romance and emotional bonding followed by sexual consummation. Women often crave this kind of relationship themselves, as do straight men, but know that it's extremely unlikely to happen due to all sorts of factors that again, I hope are self-evident.

Women also project their existing selves onto characters rather than imagining themselves as said characters. If you wrote a story about a hulking Amazonian woman who dominated men and was physically superior to them, it'd appeal only to submissive men and misandrists. Normal women wouldn't be able to project themselves onto such a character.

Gay fiction on the other hand lets women project themselves onto the bottom partner in the relationship and experience that idealized perception of passionate lightning romance, without the issue of childrearing and societal expectations interfering with the fantasy. They also enjoy seeing men dominating and controlling each other. They feel powerful and empowered by consuming media that depicts those who would normally have power over them using that power on each other, in a way that arouses and amuses the woman.

That's also why cuckoldry appeals to a lot of women, as does NTR or even various forms of extreme pornography like gore, rape and mindbreak. They want to feel desired and fought over because that assigns them intrinsic value as something worth fighting over and exerting effort to control.

As a side-note, women experience arousal in an entirely different way than men do. A straight man is usually repulsed by gay porn, while a gay man is usually repulsed by the opposite. Women on the other hand don't really care about the orientations involved.

The social dynamics of this kind of thing really interest me, because it shows such profound delineations between the psychology of men and women. It's also why I have such a visceral loathing of progressive nonsense, because it completely infiltrated these fields of research years ago and torched treasure troves of objective, evidence-based studies and debates.
 

TKN_Lurker

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Joined:  Dec 19, 2023
The green parrot is late. And gay. But more :kurosanji: is always acceptable.
 

Abomination

The abominable amalgamation known as "chyaaat!"
Joined:  Apr 1, 2023
A little bit of FE Autism: Shouzo Kaga was already leaving IS after Genealogy of the Holy War but still had a little time before leaving it to create its own game company so he created Thracia 776 to be his last project
This game introduced Capture,Rescue,Fatigue,Fog of War and Weapon Ranks so its considered to be the most hard of the franchise even to this day
I wish her luck on the streams
Yep. It's definitely the hardest I've played in the series by quite a bit with Genealogy probably coming in second. Didn't manage to beat it the last time I tried playing it. Was fun, but damn it gets rough if you aren't careful. Especially if you don't spend enough time capturing enemies to loot their shit or aren't careful enough to prevent your backline units from getting captured, which can easily happen by getting flanked/ambushed in fog-of-war maps and shift your entire focus on getting them back before you lose them.

Still want to get back and finish it at some point. Genealogy is still easily my favorite game in the series, in part because of the story and characters, so Thracia is also great for the story and characters considering in takes place in the middle of Genealogy.

So best of luck to her playing it. I'm sure it'll be a fun watch, and I'm sure she'll have people in chat that can help give some tips because, if I remember correctly, I don't think the game explained some of the mechanics too well in-game.

Anyway, to make up for my non-vtuber related rambling, here's an Ember update from a few days ago:

She's finally starting to feel better. Was pretty sick for a bit and hasn't been able to stream in the last week and a half because of it. So that's good to hear. Looking forward to her return.
 

frz

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Joined:  Oct 1, 2023
I've been curious about this myself and done a decent amount of research on it. Given how ubiquitous it is in vtubing, I've been able to ask a fair few and gotten their thoughts on it, so I've got what I feel is a solid mixture of first-hand accounts and actual scholarly analysis.

Most women trust gay men more than regular men, because they don't feel threatened by them. The average man can overpower the average woman with only minimal effort, so any interaction between a woman and a straight man always carries a risk that is absent in the company of a homosexual. Women perceive gay men as intrinsically more feminine and agreeable, while still retaining the basic social inclinations of men, which makes them better company than other women - hopefully I don't need to explain why.

Women are statistically more likely to go to a gay man for dating and relationship advice about another man than either a straight man or another woman (if given equal access to all choices). They also trust gay men more in nearly all social contexts. The female stereotype of the homosexual relationship is one of passionate spontaneity - a very quick, intense romance and emotional bonding followed by sexual consummation. Women often crave this kind of relationship themselves, as do straight men, but know that it's extremely unlikely to happen due to all sorts of factors that again, I hope are self-evident.

Women also project their existing selves onto characters rather than imagining themselves as said characters. If you wrote a story about a hulking Amazonian woman who dominated men and was physically superior to them, it'd appeal only to submissive men and misandrists. Normal women wouldn't be able to project themselves onto such a character.

Gay fiction on the other hand lets women project themselves onto the bottom partner in the relationship and experience that idealized perception of passionate lightning romance, without the issue of childrearing and societal expectations interfering with the fantasy. They also enjoy seeing men dominating and controlling each other. They feel powerful and empowered by consuming media that depicts those who would normally have power over them using that power on each other, in a way that arouses and amuses the woman.

That's also why cuckoldry appeals to a lot of women, as does NTR or even various forms of extreme pornography like gore, rape and mindbreak. They want to feel desired and fought over because that assigns them intrinsic value as something worth fighting over and exerting effort to control.

As a side-note, women experience arousal in an entirely different way than men do. A straight man is usually repulsed by gay porn, while a gay man is usually repulsed by the opposite. Women on the other hand don't really care about the orientations involved.

The social dynamics of this kind of thing really interest me, because it shows such profound delineations between the psychology of men and women. It's also why I have such a visceral loathing of progressive nonsense, because it completely infiltrated these fields of research years ago and torched treasure troves of objective, evidence-based studies and debates.
1. men watch lesbian porn, weeb male reads yuri.
Even though don't actively engage in them loves yuri-bait.

2. Men also are a huge consumer of NTR. There are more NTR than Vanilla on any hentai sites you can think of.

3. The study you linked itself is flawed, basically they make a straight girl choose "which out of the three random people you have never met would you trust to ask for relationship advice". In reality people only ask their close friends and far more female ask their best female friends than confining in gay dudes.
and their sample size is a whopping 29. You can pull literally any result from that sample size. E.g if you pick 29 male from a gay bar you can make a paper research saying "male prefer sucking dick than pussy".

4.
>Gay fiction on the other hand lets women project themselves onto the bottom partner in the relationship
Just like how man watch lesbian porn, woman don't project when they read gay fiction. Not everyone is like you proctor.

5. While rape/ntr is very dominant in the porn/fetish gay fiction, the more popular, long form, safe for work gay fiction don't feature rape and overpowering. At least for the chinese shit I'm familiar with. The one that sells millions and millions of copy? Normal vanilla romance.
Same case for man who like to read NTR, they don't actually want any NTR in their normal anime like Frieren or Chainsaw man.
Source: my sister is a huge CN fujoshi. I even actually picked up a few gay novels/TV series from her. They are actually great. No rape included.
Chinese gay novel are usually two twinks dating.
Most EN vtubers read/watch chinese gay shit, not japanese gay shit.

Tbf anecdoctal evidence maybe flawed since not like she's going to leave porn shit around in her room. But I have a lot of normal vanilla romance laying around in her room
 
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Horo7618

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Orange Woman Alert (this is from today's member stream)
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1. men watch lesbian porn, weeb male reads yuri.
Even though don't actively engage in them loves yuri-bait.

2. Men also are a huge consumer of NTR. There are more NTR than Vanilla on any hentai sites you can think of.

3. The study you linked itself is flawed, basically they make a straight girl choose "which out of the three random people you have never met would you trust to ask for relationship advice". In reality people only ask their close friends and far more female ask their best female friends than confining in gay dudes.
and their sample size is a whopping 29 woman. You can pull literally any result from that sample size.

4.
>Gay fiction on the other hand lets women project themselves onto the bottom partner in the relationship
Just like how man watch lesbian porn, woman don't project when they read gay fiction. Not everyone is like you proctor.

5. While rape/ntr is very dominant in the porn/fetish gay fiction. The more popular, long form, safe for work gay fiction don't feature rape and overpowering. At least for the chinese shit I'm familiar with. The one that sells millions and millions of copy? Normal vanilla romance.
Same case for man who like to read NTR, they don't actually want any NTR in their normal anime like Frieren or Chainsaw man.
Source: my sister is a huge CN fujoshi. I even actually picked up a few gay novels/TV series from her. They are actually great. No rape included.
Chinese gay novel are usually two twinks dating.
Most EN vtubers read/watch chinese gay shit, not japanese gay shit.

And even for the more "extreme" japanese gay shit. You think haikyuu is full of dudes raping each other on the field?
Just ask the resident fujo.

@Zyklon Mag Why do you watch/read gay shit?
 

Todd's Strongest Howard

Do not trust the sticker farmer.
Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 13, 2022
Nimi is cute, and I am happy she's back. Also people are absolutely going to draw her vaping people's nightmares in a goth outfit, calling it now.

Please God expedite us to a land of goth Nimi :MozumiPichi:

Isn't Lando in a long term relationship with a woman? Or is that old news?

It's called 'having a beard'.

I do love her mutually antagonistic relationship with chat. Without chat trolling her we wouldn't get things like Andou Rainbow Johnny Johnny or her unofficial fan name being Trash.

Clip tax:


I would sacrifice my firstborn child for NiMint MGS brainrot collab.

Then what was the point of the whole other story in the first half of the video? Am I missing something?

Bait-and-switch setup by offering a story with a character that looks to have the traits we associate with someone else to make a connection of "Oh wait is that...!?", only for it to turn out to just be a fabrication/coincidence, the real character is someone else. In this case the story sets it up to look like she was the storied maid, but really she's just a loser otaku that graduated life because her oshi likes dick more than being on stage. Also sort of takes the piss on elaborate or fantastical vtuber lore where they're supposed to be this big important person, where in Mint's case she's just a dead nerd.


There's also the fact that Proc's sourcing some of his data from vtubers, which is a poisoned well in this subject. You walk into a leather club and ask aloud "How many y'all folks like whips?", you're going to get some pretty heavy leaning answers.
 

Willemshaven

Outlasted the Chinese Community Sinicization Group
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Joined:  Sep 23, 2023

shipmate_F

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Joined:  Jun 21, 2023
It warms my heart to see everyone shitting on Twitch. Seriously, why anyone would use a website that employs a third party investigation firm to spy on streamers and then ban them for shit they say or do off-site is beyond me. But I'm told that Twitch has slightly better chat features than YouTube, so I guess it's all worth it.
I'm pretty sure YouTube does the same, they own the infrastructure to oversee it anyway: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9288567?hl=en

The shit part is that when Twitch works, it works pretty well. Unfortunately that's limited to small bubbles such as Shindigs' or small indie groups, with the risk of a handful of bad actors having power to ruin it for everyone because of the bot-fueled report system or the ire of a simp.
The moment Youtube fixes mod tools and the chat I think most people will switch but that's expecting the pajeets to put in the effort.
 

VSoyBoy

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Joined:  Feb 16, 2024
1. men watch lesbian porn, weeb male reads yuri.
Even though don't actively engage in them loves yuri-bait.

2. Men also are a huge consumer of NTR. There are more NTR than Vanilla on any hentai sites you can think of.

3. The study you linked itself is flawed, basically they make a straight girl choose "which out of the three random people you have never met would you trust to ask for relationship advice". In reality people only ask their close friends and far more female ask their best female friends than confining in gay dudes.
and their sample size is a whopping 29. You can pull literally any result from that sample size. E.g if you pick 29 male from a gay bar you can make a paper research saying "male prefer sucking dick than pussy".

4.
>Gay fiction on the other hand lets women project themselves onto the bottom partner in the relationship
Just like how man watch lesbian porn, woman don't project when they read gay fiction. Not everyone is like you proctor.

5. While rape/ntr is very dominant in the porn/fetish gay fiction, the more popular, long form, safe for work gay fiction don't feature rape and overpowering. At least for the chinese shit I'm familiar with. The one that sells millions and millions of copy? Normal vanilla romance.
Same case for man who like to read NTR, they don't actually want any NTR in their normal anime like Frieren or Chainsaw man.
Source: my sister is a huge CN fujoshi. I even actually picked up a few gay novels/TV series from her. They are actually great. No rape included.
Chinese gay novel are usually two twinks dating.
Most EN vtubers read/watch chinese gay shit, not japanese gay shit.

Tbf anecdoctal evidence maybe flawed since not like she's going to leave porn shit around in her room. But I have a lot of normal vanilla romance laying around in her room
As someone who has unsurprisingly read a lot of gay shit: Yes, non-consensual and even dubious consent are really going out of favour, even in Japanese BL. There are big authors like Harada that still put a lot of disturbing scenes in their new releases but it's mostly "villains" as the perpetrators, not really the main love interest.

The feel good, boy meets boy stories are overwhelmingly the more favoured kind these days with a few notable exceptions. And it's those stories that get the live-action and anime adaptations, like Sasaki and Miyano or Twilight out of Focus.
 

Koronesuki

X-Potato
Joined:  Oct 1, 2023
Subaru's taking 2 weeks off to recover as she's developing vocal cord nodules:

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She's been pushing herself non-stop since the start of December, most of that time being with a sore throat, so I guess the one good thing is that she can actually take it easy now. Please rest and recover smoothly.

Man :depressedtako:

Has she tried speaking at less than 100 decibels? Would that help?

Seriously though, I hope she gets some rest and recovers properly.
It's nice to see vtuber agencies not discriminating against older women.
Why would they?
:holohag::hololove:
I've been curious about this myself and done a decent amount of research on it. Given how ubiquitous it is in vtubing, I've been able to ask a fair few and gotten their thoughts on it, so I've got what I feel is a solid mixture of first-hand accounts and actual scholarly analysis.

Most women trust gay men more than regular men, because they don't feel threatened by them. The average man can overpower the average woman with only minimal effort, so any interaction between a woman and a straight man always carries a risk that is absent in the company of a homosexual. Women perceive gay men as intrinsically more feminine and agreeable, while still retaining the basic social inclinations of men, which makes them better company than other women - hopefully I don't need to explain why.

Women are statistically more likely to go to a gay man for dating and relationship advice about another man than either a straight man or another woman (if given equal access to all choices). They also trust gay men more in nearly all social contexts. The female stereotype of the homosexual relationship is one of passionate spontaneity - a very quick, intense romance and emotional bonding followed by sexual consummation. Women often crave this kind of relationship themselves, as do straight men, but know that it's extremely unlikely to happen due to all sorts of factors that again, I hope are self-evident.

Women also project their existing selves onto characters rather than imagining themselves as said characters. If you wrote a story about a hulking Amazonian woman who dominated men and was physically superior to them, it'd appeal only to submissive men and misandrists. Normal women wouldn't be able to project themselves onto such a character.

Gay fiction on the other hand lets women project themselves onto the bottom partner in the relationship and experience that idealized perception of passionate lightning romance, without the issue of childrearing and societal expectations interfering with the fantasy. They also enjoy seeing men dominating and controlling each other. They feel powerful and empowered by consuming media that depicts those who would normally have power over them using that power on each other, in a way that arouses and amuses the woman.

That's also why cuckoldry appeals to a lot of women, as does NTR or even various forms of extreme pornography like gore, rape and mindbreak. They want to feel desired and fought over because that assigns them intrinsic value as something worth fighting over and exerting effort to control.

As a side-note, women experience arousal in an entirely different way than men do. A straight man is usually repulsed by gay porn, while a gay man is usually repulsed by the opposite. Women on the other hand don't really care about the orientations involved.

The social dynamics of this kind of thing really interest me, because it shows such profound delineations between the psychology of men and women. It's also why I have such a visceral loathing of progressive nonsense, because it completely infiltrated these fields of research years ago and torched treasure troves of objective, evidence-based studies and debates.
1. men watch lesbian porn, weeb male reads yuri.
Even though don't actively engage in them loves yuri-bait.

2. Men also are a huge consumer of NTR. There are more NTR than Vanilla on any hentai sites you can think of.

3. The study you linked itself is flawed, basically they make a straight girl choose "which out of the three random people you have never met would you trust to ask for relationship advice". In reality people only ask their close friends and far more female ask their best female friends than confining in gay dudes.
and their sample size is a whopping 29. You can pull literally any result from that sample size. E.g if you pick 29 male from a gay bar you can make a paper research saying "male prefer sucking dick than pussy".

4.
>Gay fiction on the other hand lets women project themselves onto the bottom partner in the relationship
Just like how man watch lesbian porn, woman don't project when they read gay fiction. Not everyone is like you proctor.

5. While rape/ntr is very dominant in the porn/fetish gay fiction, the more popular, long form, safe for work gay fiction don't feature rape and overpowering. At least for the chinese shit I'm familiar with. The one that sells millions and millions of copy? Normal vanilla romance.
Same case for man who like to read NTR, they don't actually want any NTR in their normal anime like Frieren or Chainsaw man.
Source: my sister is a huge CN fujoshi. I even actually picked up a few gay novels/TV series from her. They are actually great. No rape included.
Chinese gay novel are usually two twinks dating.
Most EN vtubers read/watch chinese gay shit, not japanese gay shit.

Tbf anecdoctal evidence maybe flawed since not like she's going to leave porn shit around in her room. But I have a lot of normal vanilla romance laying around in her room
No, I'm pretty sure that it's not more complicated than this:
 

RiverBear

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Joined:  Sep 29, 2022


Mike apparently joined a talent agency (that seems to only have two other vtubers on their roster) and signed a record deal (label details TBA)

How many agencies is Mike going to join before she becomes persona non grata in the Vtubing circles

Is she still active in WACTOR? How about the VOICEORE one? Didn't she get a small VA role out of that?
 

Cubanodun

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Joined:  Jul 22, 2023
Orange Woman Alert (this is from today's member stream)
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Whoever said "she is going to melt hardcore if one of her cats died" come get your medal because she is awfully mentally unprepared for that

I've been curious about this myself and done a decent amount of research on it. Given how ubiquitous it is in vtubing, I've been able to ask a fair few and gotten their thoughts on it, so I've got what I feel is a solid mixture of first-hand accounts and actual scholarly analysis.

Most women trust gay men more than regular men, because they don't feel threatened by them. The average man can overpower the average woman with only minimal effort, so any interaction between a woman and a straight man always carries a risk that is absent in the company of a homosexual. Women perceive gay men as intrinsically more feminine and agreeable, while still retaining the basic social inclinations of men, which makes them better company than other women - hopefully I don't need to explain why.

Women are statistically more likely to go to a gay man for dating and relationship advice about another man than either a straight man or another woman (if given equal access to all choices). They also trust gay men more in nearly all social contexts. The female stereotype of the homosexual relationship is one of passionate spontaneity - a very quick, intense romance and emotional bonding followed by sexual consummation. Women often crave this kind of relationship themselves, as do straight men, but know that it's extremely unlikely to happen due to all sorts of factors that again, I hope are self-evident.

Women also project their existing selves onto characters rather than imagining themselves as said characters. If you wrote a story about a hulking Amazonian woman who dominated men and was physically superior to them, it'd appeal only to submissive men and misandrists. Normal women wouldn't be able to project themselves onto such a character.

Gay fiction on the other hand lets women project themselves onto the bottom partner in the relationship and experience that idealized perception of passionate lightning romance, without the issue of childrearing and societal expectations interfering with the fantasy. They also enjoy seeing men dominating and controlling each other. They feel powerful and empowered by consuming media that depicts those who would normally have power over them using that power on each other, in a way that arouses and amuses the woman.

That's also why cuckoldry appeals to a lot of women, as does NTR or even various forms of extreme pornography like gore, rape and mindbreak. They want to feel desired and fought over because that assigns them intrinsic value as something worth fighting over and exerting effort to control.

As a side-note, women experience arousal in an entirely different way than men do. A straight man is usually repulsed by gay porn, while a gay man is usually repulsed by the opposite. Women on the other hand don't really care about the orientations involved.

The social dynamics of this kind of thing really interest me, because it shows such profound delineations between the psychology of men and women. It's also why I have such a visceral loathing of progressive nonsense, because it completely infiltrated these fields of research years ago and torched treasure troves of objective, evidence-based studies and debates.
CBMGPT tldr: for the same reason mens like lesbians

In other news the Shark kinda remember she works here, i suppose tomorrow Aster will finally die



And the Naplings has decide to come back to their old cult behaviour by making a website to measure how many seconds Nimi has not been streaming
 

Limkin

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Joined:  Mar 1, 2023
How about the VOICEORE one? Didn't she get a small VA role out of that?
She got a softcore hentai role and coomers didn't like that they started censoring the show from the episode that Rushia's character appeared in. The show failed, the company she worked for closed soon after, all she got out of it was a bunch of haters who thought she was the reason the show got censored to hell and back
 

USS IOWA

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Joined:  Oct 22, 2022
Whoever said "she is going to melt hardcore if one of her cats died" come get your medal because she is awfully mentally unprepared for that
Nah looks like nothing too serious, The vet said Chonkers might have rolling skin syndrome, Kind of psychological but not fatal.
 

VSoyBoy

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Joined:  Feb 16, 2024
VShojo will have a big collab with the entire company tomorrow. Almost everyone is there, the only ones missing are Hime Hajime, Ironmouse and Froot.
There is a good chance that new talents will at least be teased during this event after they posted that envelope tweet some days ago.

Also, more teasing from the two people who I suspect work closest with management.
 

Thomas Talus

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I just don't want a wife who can't cook, and handles a kitchen knife like it's a feral Tasmanian Devil.
I don't think most women are into politically retarded femboys.
 

Todd's Strongest Howard

Do not trust the sticker farmer.
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Whoever said "she is going to melt hardcore if one of her cats died" come get your medal because she is awfully mentally unprepared for that


CBMGPT tldr: for the same reason mens like lesbians

In other news the Shark kinda remember she works here, i suppose tomorrow Aster will finally die



And the Naplings has decide to come back to their old cult behaviour by making a website to measure how many seconds Nimi has not been streaming


Napling is such a stupid fucking "we can't let go" tier name, at least with Doki reclaiming dragoons it's a direct "fuck you" response because it's also generic enough as a term you can just handwave it as not having to be a direct reference. I'd have at least preferred something like Napirs. :depressedtako: I'd have also accepted dreemir or something but I can smell the undertale reek that'd bring and the farther I am from those retards the better.
 
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