General Thread v2: Enhanced Segregation Techniques!

[Hff201]

But still, most won't notice or care. Especially for a fantasy background.

I agree to an extent, though I feel it's one of those things where if you notice it once, you'll always notice it; so people's reception to it literally comes down to whether they've had this conversation before or not.

I likened AI to autotune earlier and I think it's similar in this sense too: a lot of casual listeners will have the radio playing in the background and won't even consider that the voices they're listening to have been digitally pitch-corrected. But as soon as you become conscious of that slightly uncanny robotic pitch bend once, you'll start noticing it everywhere, especially if you're listening to music from the mid-to-late 2000s where record producers really didn't know how to cover up the tells.

Again I don't have an issue with the use of AI art, I just think the creator should have done a better job with it.

 

[bothyourhouses]

If they missed a melting AI background then their oft talked about "We need to consult the rules" or "We need to consider how X will look" process is all just for show.

Of course it's all for show, it's a Japanese company. A secretary takes the request that was faxed in to some middle aged middle manager, he loses it on his desk somewhere for 6 weeks and then eventually picks it up and stamps it so that when his secretary notices it can get faxed over again to the next waste of space's secretary. Every time a mistake like this one happens they add one more person to delay it until they stamp it, that way they've taken corrective action and are behaving responsibly. No-one at any point in this process is going to cause trouble or risk their position by doing something as stupid as looking at the artwork or thinking about whether there's anything they should check before stamping approve.

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

Some fans(?) Pointed out some of the backgrounds for the new holofantasy outfits are made by AI. Which i have to agree it looks very AI generated.

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Im no anti AI but i feel like Cover being the biggest Vtuber company shouldnt rely on it and should prioritze work from artists.

Edit: the person calling it out isnt actually a random fan. Its Doki's rigger.

That isn't self-generated. They likely bought it or commissioned someone. Frankly, that looks a lot more like Photoshop's internal tools being applied over a framework. It screams heavy filter, but the only real AI oddities are some of the lighting effects. This wasn't likely generated in total, but some sort of baseline was used then a generation pass was put over it. That should mean it's likely commissioned or bought from a set.

The background in the Pekora screenshot doesn't look great, but the problem is the quality, not the fact it's AI. Eventually AI art will be indistinguishable from man-made art and it'll be completely redundant paying and having to wait on artists to turn over art for these one-shot novelty scenarios, so I hope they don't back down and apologise now or they'll just be causing themselves problems later.

I don't see why any corporation, regardless of size, shouldn't use AI. They don't owe anyone commission work.

It's mostly just "generic, sort of Middle Ages European place" like you'd find described in 1 of the 1000 fantasy isekai stories. AI art will always have a weird convergence towards specific end looks, so you have to filter over it to hide the issue. It you use AI art as something of a "really advanced Fill Tool", it works a lot better.

Counterpoint, sites that sell cheap stock image stuff are being flooded with AI generated stuff. Could have been a stock image purchase without looking over it for typical AI gen giveaways.

Most likely scenario is they bought something, somewhere, and it has some generative aspects to it.

My understanding of AI is that it's not even sampling, just pattern recognition (which is why it has to be forcibly neutered whenever talking about the Jews), so artists got one less leg to stand on, unless they want to open a weird box of how "learning" is somehow infringement.

That court case coming up between the record labels and music AI companies is going to be real interesting.

It's basically hashing the image for what it's "looking for" to use as part of a model to recreate something similar when asked. It's absolutely commercial use of someone else's copyrighted material for use in the models. I'm no fan of the anti-AI crusade, but the legal reality is the AI scraping of images is absolutely a violation of the commercial rights of the creators. Right now the companies are in a made dash to get their models done before the laws & cases catch up to them.

What are even the "dead giveaways" of those backgrounds? For a one time stream especially they looked completely fine and theme matching to me?! I'd wager it looked fine for most, if not all, non-art-fags.

Why would I pay someone for something like that? (With all the hassle that comes with it)

Assuming it really was made by ai and by the girls/management.

Marine herself is/was an artist and is not pissed of by it, apparently.

It was clearly a set of outfits for some purposes, so the backgrounds were likely commissioned by Cover in bulk. If they bought any stock photos, those are flooded with AI effects. If they commissioned someone, that probably use some of Adobe's new generative tools to save a lot of time.

 

[Bronze]

Why is Dizzy doing a late night karaoke?

in 45 minutes

15 min passed and girl is nowhere to be found. This prom experience is pretty realistic

 

[shipmate_F]

Counterpoint, sites that sell cheap stock image stuff are being flooded with AI generated stuff. Could have been a stock image purchase without looking over it for typical AI gen giveaways.

This is a good point, but:

They need every single idea a talent puts forth faxed in and hanko stamped still. If they missed a melting AI background then their oft talked about "We need to consult the rules" or "We need to consider how X will look" process is all just for show. Either that, or they're turning into a real large corporation who's willing to have some bad optics if it means saving a couple yen.

FTFY. If by "professional" they mean "go through with the fastest and least ethical, thus cheaper, method and see if it works" then good fucking luck to COVER in the following 5 years. Maybe vtubing will end by then and they'll have their golden cradle, I don't know, but these little things that people think "It's fine" is how big changes come to be, because "it didn't matter for a long time".

What are even the "dead giveaways" of those backgrounds? For a one time stream especially they looked completely fine and theme matching to me?! I'd wager it looked fine for most, if not all, non-art-fags.

Some of the most egregious melting parts lose form or meaning, or are generated out of nowhere, like the piece of grass floating by the entrance gate

There's more like the melting mailbox but even then you can excuse it with "artistic vision", the rest just lacks consistency. Why is it only the mailbox melting and not every object? And so on.
If this was a 2view funding vtubing with part-time jobs and sub/membership revenue no one would bat an eye, this is a company worth 75 million dollars.
If you wanna be a cunt, at least argue for the ones who needs protection, like the FlaVR girls needed.

 

[Kazuma]

Haachama is doing an unarchived karaoke

 

[46gumi]

Pina giving an update on her current situation

Spoiler: Local copy

 

[NeneHATE]

This is a good point, but:

FTFY. If by "professional" they mean "go through with the fastest and least ethical, thus cheaper, method and see if it works" then good fucking luck to COVER in the following 5 years. Maybe vtubing will end by then and they'll have their golden cradle, I don't know, but these little things that people think "It's fine" is how big changes come to be, because "it didn't matter for a long time".

Some of the most egregious melting parts lose form or meaning, or are generated out of nowhere, like the piece of grass floating by the entrance gate

There's more like the melting mailbox but even then you can excuse it with "artistic vision", the rest just lacks consistency. Why is it only the mailbox melting and not every object? And so on.
If this was a 2view funding vtubing with part-time jobs and sub/membership revenue no one would bat an eye, this is a company worth 75 million dollars.
If you wanna be a cunt, at least argue for the ones who needs protection, like the FlaVR girls needed.

 

[Seth]

If you wanna be a cunt, at least argue for the ones who needs protection, like the FlaVR girls needed.

REEEEEEEE WATCH MY 2 VIEWS

 

[kushami tasukaru]

Slight bit of update, but the OP of the reddit post was updated due to misinformation (reddit taking info from /vt/ without confirmations, as per usual) related to the whole "CEO of ReACT sexually harrasing her" stuff, which was covered in a different reddit post. [Archive]

Since the original reddit post as quoted by the Samurai man has been updated to accommodate the new information (though the archive obviously doesn't), I took liberty on archiving the current version for posterity sake. It can be accessed here: https://archive.is/ZFJvQ

Thanks for this update. Confirms that OP is the scummy drama vulture I expected he is.

This scum is actually a "predebut" Vtuber itself.

https://old.reddit.com/r/vtubers/comments/1epxcyp/question_about_predebut_for_vtubers_and_predebut/

Honestly there are two advice I can give. Don't accuse people of sexual assault without proof and if you can't do that kiss an oncoming train.
Cunts are already spamming abuse on the company's accounts and the waiting room for the summer live today because of this karma chasing human garbage.

 

[BlueSharkTV]

If you wanna be a cunt, at least argue for the ones who needs protection, like the FlaVR girls needed.

ah yes the "it's shit and horrible unless it was used by someone I simp for" excuse, you phaseYamanbas are among the most retarded Yamanbas to ever Yamanba, I hope AI takes every single job out there just so I can laugh at all the anti AI Yamanbas when they shit themselves every time they don't get hired.

I see you went to the proctor school of winning arguments, nice facebook mom tier image dude you sure got him good.

 

[shipmate_F]

ah yes the "it's shit and horrible unless it was used by someone I simp for" excuse, you phaseYamanbas are among the most retarded Yamanbas to ever Yamanba, I hope AI takes every single job out there just so I can laugh at all the anti AI Yamanbas when they shit themselves every time they don't get hired.

You're crazy, I don't even watch FlaVR girls. I just think it's an easy example because they got hate for having no money, that is just retarded.
I'm not even anti-AI, but I treat is as it should be for now: acessibility tool. If you have difficulty coming up with stuff, generate some drafts and start working from there with your hands. If you can't afford 25 bucks for a SEAnig PNG, generate something you think it's worthwhile.
I have the same stance on AI I have on creative tools: I would never be able to learn graphic, video and editorial stuff without pirating Adobe, Corel and Vegas products, but now that I'm able to buy licenses, there's no reason not to, it's called giving back.

 

[Salado]

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

I think Sena Bonbon is neat

 

[Euthyphro]

15 min passed and girl is nowhere to be found. This prom experience is pretty realistic

Why is Dizzy doing a late night karaoke?

in 45 minutes

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[Willemshaven]

Highlights of the Dark Souls race between Fauna and Gura.


Zeta-Ame team got some emeralds just after the time was over.


Aqua's relationship chart with ReGLOSS.


Why Towa picked Kaminari Qpi and Aruse Inu for her VSaikyo team.

 

[Security]

It's basically hashing the image for what it's "looking for" to use as part of a model to recreate something similar when asked. It's absolutely commercial use of someone else's copyrighted material for use in the models. I'm no fan of the anti-AI crusade, but the legal reality is the AI scraping of images is absolutely a violation of the commercial rights of the creators. Right now the companies are in a made dash to get their models done before the laws & cases catch up to them.

I don't see how it is, by your description. If it's looking for an object to recreate, it still recreates it. Sounds like any number of songs or movies or art pieces that get away with being ripoffs. "Legally distinct," if you will.

If it's not a direct copyrighted sample, like you see used in music, I don't see how it runs afoul of copyright.

 

[frz]

That isn't self-generated. They likely bought it or commissioned someone. Frankly, that looks a lot more like Photoshop's internal tools being applied over a framework. It screams heavy filter, but the only real AI oddities are some of the lighting effects. This wasn't likely generated in total, but some sort of baseline was used then a generation pass was put over it. That should mean it's likely commissioned or bought from a set.

It is not hololive-generated. People traced and found the exact pixiv "artist" and source.

You're crazy, I don't even watch FlaVR girls. I just think it's an easy example because they got hate for having no money, that is just retarded.
I'm not even anti-AI, but I treat is as it should be for now: acessibility tool. If you have difficulty coming up with stuff, generate some drafts and start working from there with your hands. If you can't afford 25 bucks for a SEAnig PNG, generate something you think it's worthwhile.
I have the same stance on AI I have on creative tools: I would never be able to learn graphic, video and editorial stuff without pirating Adobe, Corel and Vegas products, but now that I'm able to buy licenses, there's no reason not to, it's called giving back.

I think the issue is that you assume hololive wasnt paying for it and was trying to save cost. Knowing "AI artists" on pixiv. They might have charged hololive full price and they didn't realize they are getting scammed.

"AI artists" on pixiv actually charge money btw. Ahem I did some research, just talking about the 18+ ones. The average post their shit censored to oblivion and charge $10/month on patreon for the "good" stuff. Some charge $30/month. Some even goes further and beyond and actually sells every posts as small books on sites like booth. So if you goes through their entire catalogue it can cost thousands of dollars. Japanese "AI artists" are one of the most shameless people on the planet.

I totally did not buy one of these. Totally didnt.

 

[Hff201]

I don't see how it is, by your description. If it's looking for an object to recreate, it still recreates it. Sounds like any number of songs or movies or art pieces that get away with being ripoffs. "Legally distinct," if you will.

If it's not a direct copyrighted sample, like you see used in music, I don't see how it runs afoul of copyright.

Technically since machines "think" in data and reproduce the data from memory as requested it is lifting samples from copyrighted material; it's just that the actual portion used is so absurdly tiny thanks to the gigantic pool of samples it gets mixed in with that nobody should reasonably care. It's like getting mad someone stole a grain of sand from your beach.

 

[Security]

Technically since machines "think" in data and reproduce the data from memory as requested it is lifting samples from copyrighted material; it's just that the actual portion used is so absurdly tiny thanks to the gigantic pool of samples it gets mixed in with that nobody should reasonably care. It's like getting mad someone stole a grain of sand from your beach.

If it's reproducing something measurable, it'd be interesting to study, no matter how small. However, I've not yet seen one demonstration of this. From what I can tell, it's "understanding" an object from massive amounts of data and then recreating it, like if someone were to hear a lot of songs in a musical genre and then made their own song in that style. Derivative, yes, but still something "new."