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Autism is a hell of a drug.
People are far more receptive of small indies here than large in my experience.
It's just that some people are tired of the constant 2-view drama resulting in the "WHO?" posting that seems to get under his skin so easily.
Indies and corpos are fairly equal for content, however corpos do bigger things so discussion around them is gonna be bigger because they are gonna be doing if not interesting but at the very least large enough for people to notice. So Corpos have a larger discussion ceiling, so then we have part 2 of discussion the Drama but-
Indies are rarely good for drama anyway. Getting immolated by the man, other talents conspiring against, Calamari Clara. That is the good shit.
Indie drama is like "I fucked my tweaker mod who promised to get me to 3 view but I caught him fucking one of vtuber friends and now he is stalking me by following me on twitter" so again it's like the ceiling isn't there. You'd have to have something pretty big, but on the corpo side something almost always is happening.
TLDR corpos will generate more content regardless by default. The indie threads are useless
Indies are rarely good for drama anyway. Getting immolated by the man, other talents conspiring against, Calamari Clara. That is the good shit.
Indie drama is like "I fucked my tweaker mod who promised to get me to 3 view but I caught him fucking one of vtuber friends and now he is stalking me by following me on twitter" so again it's like the ceiling isn't there. You'd have to have something pretty big, but on the corpo side something almost always is happening.
TLDR corpos will generate more content regardless by default. The indie threads are useless
This is not the issue I or any other staff have. The current corporate threads have already proven quite lively and active in general, only the peripheral threads are slower, which was anticipated. Activity in those areas was never expected to immediately pick up, the option to use them was simply introduced where previously it was unavailable. Members can choose where to post as they wish, there is no current gatekeeping aside from in the new threads themselves to keep them on topic; the general thread is still the same as it has always been.
I personally don't feel a need to merge the more lively and active threads back together, but would be open if a majority of users who are currently making use of them would agree, perhaps at a review point by the end of March. The indie threads are a more plausible candidate for a merging together.
The H is silent btw, is not Je or Eich
I wish man but she is charging 100 bucks to get to the super duper secret discord, if you want to take one for the team give me a dm
The only thing I feel worked is splitting Niji L and Niji General, as a person who habitually shits on Niji, I do actually think Nijifans here should not have to be subjected to it.
He will never revert it. He will simply merge the split threads. Completely different.
I know this is probably a bad time to say this, but I was one of the other people who proposed the thread split, for various reasons. I understand most people hate it, and I totally see the benefits to the general thread - but the longer I've tried to browse here the more people seem more simply jilted and less willing to discuss the streams and content over the drama.
I liked the general thread format for a long time. Back on Kiwi, we all were kinda cramped into our own space and when events went down people would constantly livepost about them, there was a pretty decent appeal to that. But when there were talks about a splinter forum, I already was saying that a proper organized, traditional forum would be much better, simply because it would make the site less intimidating to use and more accessible to a wider audience. I get the fact that the general thread format in the first place is supposed to be a big filter, but I think its unfair the site has become this massive sekrit club where a lot of newbies end up confused over the layout of the site and choose to stop browsing rather than feeling comfortable. Site growth is an unfortunate necessity for it to be upkept.
One of the big reasons I tended to dislike the general thread format, especially lately, is because a lot of the fun has simply been overwritten by people constantly getting jaded over the state of vtubing as a whole. It doesn't help that a handful of people here have effectively written off vtubing entirely and treat the site as a dumping ground cough Xenlar's clique cough over trying to contribute to it being a better, even great place for vtuber discussion.
It also doesn't help that with liveposting moved to its own thread, we don't see endearingly obsessed fans of certain vtubers really properly advertising or even showing their appeal to the rest of the site. It brings the energy and the unity of the site down as a whole.
I will say right now, before I continue: I do not particularly like Proctor. Frankly, he was incredibly stubborn to budge on this idea, and when he actually took it he took it for all the wrong reasons, and has explained them incredibly poorly. He's too autistic to properly explain his reasoning in short, so here's my reasoning, summed up in a small, neat package:
The general thread has stopped being fun. Vtubers are now too much of srs bzns to really discuss jovially in a larger capacity, which is why I see split threads as a good way to reignite some passion in people. Not to encourage tribalism, but to bring people together over the joy of our favorite corps/Vtubers. A perfect example of this, although I know people loathe it, is the Pippa thread - the people that spend time there are more passionate about the girl they watch, more fun to spend time around and banter with, and generally much more enjoyable company because they have a (properly moderated) space for themselves.
We all need a little room to get ourselves out of the pits of sadness and misery.
I completely understand at the end of the day if this seems wrong, or if I'm blatantly incorrect, but the feelings I feel in the general thread are the same ones I feel browing a schizo-filled general thread on /vt/. The split threads and even the Pippa thread give me the same warm feelings other good, fun forums gave me in the past, and we ought to have those feelings here.
I liked the general thread format for a long time. Back on Kiwi, we all were kinda cramped into our own space and when events went down people would constantly livepost about them, there was a pretty decent appeal to that. But when there were talks about a splinter forum, I already was saying that a proper organized, traditional forum would be much better, simply because it would make the site less intimidating to use and more accessible to a wider audience. I get the fact that the general thread format in the first place is supposed to be a big filter, but I think its unfair the site has become this massive sekrit club where a lot of newbies end up confused over the layout of the site and choose to stop browsing rather than feeling comfortable. Site growth is an unfortunate necessity for it to be upkept.
One of the big reasons I tended to dislike the general thread format, especially lately, is because a lot of the fun has simply been overwritten by people constantly getting jaded over the state of vtubing as a whole. It doesn't help that a handful of people here have effectively written off vtubing entirely and treat the site as a dumping ground cough Xenlar's clique cough over trying to contribute to it being a better, even great place for vtuber discussion.
It also doesn't help that with liveposting moved to its own thread, we don't see endearingly obsessed fans of certain vtubers really properly advertising or even showing their appeal to the rest of the site. It brings the energy and the unity of the site down as a whole.
I will say right now, before I continue: I do not particularly like Proctor. Frankly, he was incredibly stubborn to budge on this idea, and when he actually took it he took it for all the wrong reasons, and has explained them incredibly poorly. He's too autistic to properly explain his reasoning in short, so here's my reasoning, summed up in a small, neat package:
The general thread has stopped being fun. Vtubers are now too much of srs bzns to really discuss jovially in a larger capacity, which is why I see split threads as a good way to reignite some passion in people. Not to encourage tribalism, but to bring people together over the joy of our favorite corps/Vtubers. A perfect example of this, although I know people loathe it, is the Pippa thread - the people that spend time there are more passionate about the girl they watch, more fun to spend time around and banter with, and generally much more enjoyable company because they have a (properly moderated) space for themselves.
We all need a little room to get ourselves out of the pits of sadness and misery.
I completely understand at the end of the day if this seems wrong, or if I'm blatantly incorrect, but the feelings I feel in the general thread are the same ones I feel browing a schizo-filled general thread on /vt/. The split threads and even the Pippa thread give me the same warm feelings other good, fun forums gave me in the past, and we ought to have those feelings here.
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Like literally thats all you needed to say to get your point across I dunno why you brought out 7 paragraphs of irrelevant anecdotes
I don't agree with all of that but I can understand this perspective.
Thanks for talking about your reasoning.
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I don't entirely agree with you but I also don't entirely disagree.
The pessimism permeating this forum is largely just a reflection of the industry as a whole and how fashionable dooming is nowadays, people talk a lot more about drama because drama has become a hot commodity and "the thing to care about". There's a lot of wanting to have a say in whatever is happening this week even if you have never before given a shit about those involved. We are also ex-kiwis, people from a site exclusively dedicated to discussing and documenting internet happenings, it is not unexpected for us to be predisposed to these sorts of topics.
Do I think splitting the threads is inherently bad? No, I actually think it could've worked if this forum had 1. more people, 2. We had not spent years with the old format and 3. it was implemented in a way that people actually agreed on
The single thread just worked very well for our size and people are used to it, in general people online do not enjoy change and I think everyone would've acclimated to it better if it wasn't imposed on them by Proctor. A lot of this anti splitting discussion is in part the userbase lashing out against proctor and his apparent unwillingness to give a shit about what anyone is saying, he may have the forum's best interests at heart and the splitting may work in the long run, but for right now this is just stoking the flames of discontent.
You know, I get what you're saying, because this is exactly what I want too. That's the entire magic of this site, and it was part of the magic of the kf thread too. I absolutely agree with you on that feeling.
But you know the one thread that gave me that feeling? That's right, it was the general thread. Because I'd see the joy of random people pushing their oshi, and I'd get to find out about the cool things someone I'd never watch has been doing, and there was a vibe that this celebration of vtubers was all part of the same thing. You lose that feeling when you unravel and compartmentalize it. It only sticks around for extremely high activity threads, which is why the Pippa thread works. There isn't another single talent discussed here that can sustain a thread on their own, so we relied on the shared activity of a thread like General to keep the hype high.
This is mostly lost to me now. The sense of shared celebration.
I guess I can just go back to the general, ignore the splits, and if enough people do the same, they'll die on the vine and problem solved.
How the fuck is that a perfect example? You have one dedicated thread to contain a user that cant stop talking about "MEAT"
Is also the source of 90% of homoerotic fanfiction in this place
It's nice enough when Pippa is streaming but some of the autism gets tiresome.
Doomerism comes and goes, it was pretty apparent because of the recent holo happenings, but Fes and the posting around it really made people less jaded, i think i understand that, but you can also be less suceptive and just post what makes you happy without giving a fuck imo
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Lol idiot
I wish we had a "I understand" reaction, cuz I appreciate your point here. I will be fair and say that the happenings with Holo have left me personally quite upset since Dooby has simply not been the same as Ame was, and it feels a lot sadder to force myself to watch Holo stuff since she isn't there anymore. I am glad to hear Fes has made people happier though.
I'll be sticking with Pippa for a while until things get better with Dooby and she can be a bit more consistent. I wanna give Hina a proper shot too since I did like her back when she was streaming but never got to watch her much since she streamed at a bad time for me. Who know what'll happen. All I know is that I can definitely use an injection of optimism myself right now.
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