Banter/Off-topic Thread & Community Stoning Platform

[CalciumAnimal]

Moth needs more friends to socialize with.
But in all seriousness, there are enough in groups at this point for people to go off and make their own clubs.
I made mine.
I just don't like seeing you guys beat your heads against the wall expecting different results.
I legitimately don't have beef with Proctor, I'm more disappointed that most of you grew up with Chris-Chan and Josh and fail to heed the lessons from that when everyone went through its carbon copy with Nolan and Proctor.
Time is a flat circle, Yamanbas.

the lack of users on this site is one of the things I at least am complaining about splitting us into even gayer discord channels solves that how?

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

So like, anyone else wants to host a forum?

 

[VSoyBoy]

Overreacting is fun, but lets not go wild.

 

[Godzilla1984]

the lack of users on this site is one of the things I at least am complaining about splitting us into even gayer discord channels solves that how?

You're assuming I want to fix this place.

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

dont mind him hes just lonely his grandkids dont visit him that much

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

Guys literally the Pippa thread is the only place where the good shit happens, Short nurdeers hfjfjfkfkslosos, Short nu.... Goddamn it. Short murdered some kids, Pippa joined numerous cults. I know it's been slow this past year but give itsl time! Fuck battery saver and fuck work!

 

[Faceless Waifu]

I'm not sure whether to call most of you guys as cowards for running away from the site just because @The Proctor keep on making bad decision for long and short terms or not, but it's tempting me to do so.

 

[Planetary Bombardment]

The forum is totally dying this time, for real, dude trust me.

 

[Godzilla1984]

"Nothing ever happens."

 

[Zizara]

I found it honestly funny that the VSJ thread has 10 replies total as of this post, and half of those are Vsoyboy

We have a VShojo thread?

Pretty sure I'm one of the few people here that actually watches VShojo members and didn't even know that.

Yeah I didn't even realise there was a Vshojo thread since it wasn't listed along with the others in the announcement, and then I've kinda just been too busy to keep up with forum posting lately.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

Little late I guess. Meh. Frankly I'm not gonna lie but the last big woman moment really killed my interest in activity for a good while. Thread splitting happened not long afterward which didn't help. Was only just starting to even get back to making my low effort garbage posts in the last week or so. Which to be some level of fair I guess is what the CEO of The Biggest Nicest Huggiest Forum Ever co. wants to get rid of anyway.
Exception for spamming bs in the 6th Fes thread when that started.

Spoiler: Rambling that ended up long. Tabbed to not shit up the page

I then decide to hop in here to catch up, lo and behold what a shocker, another big ass "You people are retarded and wrong and therefore my will and word is law and if you're too stupid to see why I'm making the best decisions for you well you're an idiot. No, I won't take multiple peoples comments into consideration or have any level of discussion. In fact, I'm going to only focus on one specific thing instead of multiple other issues people bring up to discredit the whole idea."
You do a lot of the type of shit people you claim to hate do for someone who wants some level of freedom or whatever.

Out of curiosity can we at least get a numbers crunch on how relevant the influx of fresh new posters or lurkers who finally started posting is? How much activity changed due to them? I would be curious to see how well it worked to integrate them into the community now that all the old mean guys got split up. Last I knew the "great community we built up" was told to be more kind and accepting, dare I say inclusive, in the new multiple threads so that we were less gate keepy and prevented from scaring off so much new potential. Unless of course we swapped the goal randomly to something else like "So long as we have several happy little communities it's a fair trade if the big overall one isn't as good."
Sure, 2 weeks isn't a good indicator of the numbers for new users, I'll give you that and we can skip it. However SURELY you have a chunk of data for the secret dms and lurkers who kept telling you they wanted to post a lot but them dang angry posters would have never allowed it. I should think that this being what they want would have them all showing up in the new threads going crazy happy no? There's no logic for people who asked for it to not already have dove in and gone crazy by now if they haven't.

Also yeah, of course the thread split is nicer for you. You don't care about 99% of the entire scene, except big announcements (especially if they let you peddle more corpo bad/vtubing is all awful except the small parts I specifically like) or drama you can milk/follow. "All corpos are shit, most big indies are whores," and of the people you care about- One has her own thread and is divisive if you don't already care about her, one is rambunctious and got herself a reputation for piss and soap, and the rest are small or less but you like them, so it's "offensive" if nobody is interested.
For anyone who wanted to keep up on several various people in various situations of hire, it's obnoxious. Most of the discussions in that aspect are still heavily slanted towards the same people anyway, just more inconveniently spread out. Virtually everyone ACTIVE has said something feels off and that the atmosphere seems to have fallen except maybe two decent threads, yet none of these people who supposedly asked for this have shown up nor voiced any opinion on how it's so much better.

I usually try to be some level of middle ground objective and not roll my eyes JUST because it's a post of yours, but anytime you post in reply about forum community shit it basically comes off as you actively hating this place and trying to write words to dance around saying it. "I like our community, I just don't like how you act, react, interact, talk, or do things with any given free reign."
Of course instead of caring about any of this, you generally default to "Well there's nowhere better so suck it up LAWL." Then sit there questioning why the mood seems more hostile and such around the place. Yeah I know, executive privilege or whatever.

Truth be told at this point, despite your "this place is great and worth fighting for" stuff I figure you would delete it in an instant if it didn't let you get "prestige" that works into getting all those dms and fighting all those gay battles you jump into. Wouldn't shock me the slightest is your goal was to get people out of here so you can axe it for the discord.

Anyway here's the @ so it's not some post into a void that I was "too scared" to direct at you or whatever. @The Proctor
Go ahead and follow it up with your reply of how everyone, especially me, is too dumb to understand. Hell go the full mile, call me an egomaniac or something. Like at this point fuck it right?
I'm not a big name in the community so I'm sure this was typed for no reason because "Lolwho?" (Legasp that TAWXIC term) but
At least you were up front enough to finally admit that you don't care if we lose parts of the community, whether it be members or culture, so long as you got your whale, Captain Ahab. Kudos for that.

We truly have the worst of both worlds
Small niche forum overlord Yamanbay and the discord mod shuffle
With several people wanting the discord mod crown because forums are hard
Anyways, going to just keep using the main thread out of tradition and to rvturn, i geniuenlly cant rationalize how a "small downtick in users" is worth it when we're already a niche and small community.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

I started this as an edit but decided to make an autistic formal response

A potential loss of users due to the nature of the transition was anticipated during the planning stage and deemed acceptable in order to accomplish the goals that staff laid out. Two weeks is in no way a sufficient amount of time to judge the results of this transition.

This is the new status quo. It will not be reverting. You are welcome to suggest alternatives and expansions of the existing topic range, or extra add-ons that will make the new site experience easier to navigate and pleasant to use, but that is it.

I think thats a fair assesment on the fact that its an early change, but i have no idea if the bleed of users in an already niche forum is sustainable. Although its nice to see that you forever will keep the smuggery

I am enjoying the new atmosphere in the new threads. I see people positively discussing things that would previously have gotten multiple sarcastic 'LITERALLY WHO?' or similar derogatory comments in the general thread. The majority of complaints are people talking about having to do 5% more work than before to find content they want. I do not consider these to be substantive criticisms.

This is where i dont get why, i think the threads are pretty nice enough because they're just people continuing on with what they did in the main thread, people posting clips and random discussion, but to me its still the same as the main thread. i geniuenly want to know if you honestly think some minority going "LITERALLY WHO" whenever a retard shilled his preferred 1-view is indicative of the entire main thread being autistic or combatative towards people doing so. I dont think i ever thought that was the case as a regular user from day one and even the KF thread

In regards to the accusations of the new threads being hugboxes as worthy of consideration, I have a different interpretation. Members have become very used to having control over one general thread. Within the single-thread structure, just a few people can easily suppress any viewpoints they disagree with and push any conversations they don't want to partake in out of consideration. Over time, this has created a very insular view of differing opinions, and an internal culture that is designed to be impenetrable to most of them.

As a result, the same talking points are repeated and reinforced, and challenging them becomes progressively harder. The illusion of openness is maintained because established users with good track records of not rocking the boat are able to sometimes suggest new ideas or avenues of discussion that don't threaten the overall culture that has developed, but radical new ideas are rejected and considered dangerous.

This is where you sound really strange and out of touch, how is individual, insular threads which are only going to be posted in by people with a bias for the thread topic by design (either a positive or a negative bias) better for avoiding hugboxes or making dissent to bitch people out of regular thread posting? Maybe people were going antsy or menhera about companies having bad strings of happenings (chief example here is Hololive), but how is the solution even more isolation into dedicated stomping grounds? wouldnt that caused wierd retarded circlejerks instead? instead of two or three users calling a dissident post retarded and maybe one or two agreeing with it, now it would just get dogpiled by an entire thread or have to be snidely posted in others to avoid said retarded dogpile.

I do not view this as healthy, and I take the negative reactions towards the new threads and the arguments that took place during their initial creation as justification for their implementation, rather than a reason to rescind their existence. A community that cannot endure the sight of other people posting about things they personally disagree with, in their own spaces, which they must voluntarily expose themselves to in order to even be aware of, is not a healthy community. I consider disrupting this status quo to be worth a short-term fall in user activity, and I hope that others will come to agree with that assessment as time passes.

Again, why did you develop the idea that people are much more aggressive in the main thread and that somehow separating people into little threads is a decent choice? good info is still be upvoted, even people who dislike vtubers for xyz reasons respect the passions people had from them for the most part. Hell, check your reactions to your Lennox/Silvy feature. You have that understandable bias like many do about creators and you effortposted to showcase someone fucking with her and many agreed how fucked up it was, it was entirely something that you have a bias towards,people discussed it and agreed with you because of how its presented and documented. It was entirely in the main thread and it was discussed for its time, it was threadmarked so people can see it when summarizing the pages and come back if they wish.
I would like to pick at your brain and see what originated that degenerated view of the forum as mass assholes who want to keep the little guy down for having different opinions, the lack of transparency in your reasoning why and how (i.e people dming you out of fear or whatever) makes it hard for people to consider even doing so, i understand the secrecy but also, is there any reason to trust someone saying that?


Overall this just feels very smug and out of touch. Why do you consider the forum to be so wild, rowdy and uncontrollable that you feel so dismissive of feedback and user concerns about your choices? As people have pointed out, people's feedback lead to liveposting threads and those are pretty good (even the pippa one, apparently). People's feedback lead to the bant thread that people use to shoot the shit. Im probably missing out on many more because i have to type this autistic manifesto in between e-mail monkeying, but, this is just such a wierd thing to post. It sounds more personal than any concerns about the overall community, since your examples are just too vauge and unsourceable even.

 

[SpringKusa]

70s and 80s animation was great:



Didn't know they made a third one, though...

I love rankin bass

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

Overall this just feels very smug and out of touch

never has a man been so close to the truth

 

[Helkar]

Move on with your lives?

but i wanna discuss chuubas and this is legitimately the best place to do that.

 

[UberSoldat]

Overall this just feels very smug and out of touch.

As has always been the case since Takodachi sadly

 

[Koronesuki]

 

[agility_]

Delete discord, lash everyone who has partaken in it.

Why do you consider the forum to be so wild, rowdy and uncontrollable that you feel so dismissive of feedback and user concerns about your choices? As people have pointed out, people's feedback lead to liveposting threads and those are pretty good

He hyper-fixates on the two or three negative ninnies who always are out to attack him. In a way, fittingly so that he would succumb to the 1-guy malaise that many a vtuber also falls to.

 

[Helkar]

Anyhow.
As i've been beaten down by my RL lately i don't really keep up with the forum much, so in this way threadsplitting has, strangely, benefitted me, as i can read up on Phase goings-on without looking into other threads at all.
And yet, end of the day, i don't think it's a good thing. Like for example, sure, i'm not watching Holo and i'm probably not going to in the future, but reading, even in passing, holokeks discussing their oshis in the old general was both interesting and educational, and i could engage with holoposters freely even if they knew i was a committed phasefag. Today, even if i made an effort to read up on the Holo thread, i'm never fucking posting there, because it would just feel weird.