Banter/Off-topic Thread & Community Stoning Platform

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

A decent chunk of the userbase has made me completely miserable interacting with this website.

all me

 

[BioBreak]

all me

You're the reason Sena went on hiatus.

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

You're the reason Sena went on hiatus.

Im the reason youll graduate

 

[BioBreak]

Im the reason youll graduate

 

[reinigen]

If one of my posts or responses to you (or another moderator/site member) has made you feel uncomfortable, I apologize. Just let me know if/where a post is crossing the line; as a general rule most of my posts are meant as genuine discussion or memery rather than full-stop criticism, and I do respect the work the moderation team puts into the site.


tl;dr: you alright janny

Helmet, you're cool. You're passionate about what you think. You might get aggressive sometimes but I don't think negative of you.

Like, thought experiment here. Did you know Null (the admin of Kiwifarms for the off-chance anyone here doesn't know) just doesn't talk about his hobbies or things he likes on the Farms forum? It's that ways because any time he did in the past he would just get hounded by people who hate him and are just trying to intentionally get under his skin as hard as they can.

And like, on the Farms that's not the WORST thing ever. There's tons of other things to discuss. Here though? It's basically all vTubers. If I don't want to discuss vTubers here because I feel like I get harangued by the same people over and over what then? If I'm not allowed to respond because Jannie is supposed to be above that, but it just spurs people on to be worse and worse what then? If we all get so emotionally uninvested from this forum we don't even want to bother maintaining it, what's the future?

Like...I love this place for the most part. But I've tried to reason with people in the past and largely it's just met with mockery. I don't know what to do at this point.

 

[agility_]

Okay, but mockery is a big part of the bygone spirit of "anything goes" bulletin boards.

I post about stuff, knowing that 1) a fraction of people will read it and move on 2) someone will like it 3) someone will agree with me 4) someone might quote me and add or start a debate 5) someone will disagree with it 6) someone will hate it and trash me 7) some a-log will add that data to his 'agility.doc' for future ammo 8) a new migo to add to my pile. I can't let any of that get under my skin, because at a distance you cannot tell the difference between a concern-poster, an evil clown, or a skillfully articulate shitposter.

What I'm saying is dish it out as well as you can take it, but don't take it to heart; otherwise you're bound to get rattled a lot. Do you need to know how much I hate anime or just don't care about Advent at all in every post I make? not really. Do I need to know the latest patch notes on current marvel-slop? not really. I think we can all get along just fine, cursing and swearing included.
I guess this makes a lot more sense if you grew up with lots of brothers and sisters.

 

[Migoed Helmet]

Helmet, you're cool. You're passionate about what you think. You might get aggressive sometimes but I don't think negative of you.

Like, thought experiment here. Did you know Null (the admin of Kiwifarms for the off-chance anyone here doesn't know) just doesn't talk about his hobbies or things he likes on the Farms forum? It's that ways because any time he did in the past he would just get hounded by people who hate him and are just trying to intentionally get under his skin as hard as they can.

And like, on the Farms that's not the WORST thing ever. There's tons of other things to discuss. Here though? It's basically all vTubers. If I don't want to discuss vTubers here because I feel like I get harangued by the same people over and over what then? If I'm not allowed to respond because Jannie is supposed to be above that, but it just spurs people on to be worse and worse what then? If we all get so emotionally uninvested from this forum we don't even want to bother maintaining it, what's the future?

Like...I love this place for the most part. But I've tried to reason with people in the past and largely it's just met with mockery. I don't know what to do at this point.

...I hadn't even thought about the V-tuber exclusivity angle of it, because it's certainly true that there's just... not that many other places to discuss v-tubing like sane people. TVA is ten thousand times better for that than /vt/ (or god forbid reddit or simpcity or something). So not being able to talk v-tubers in the site about discussing v-tubers is... certainly a problem.


I don't know. I do hope things get better.

 

[Sankisei]

>I POST MY OSHI
Everyone is happy so we laugh together and Jannys dont want to kill themselves
>LITERALLY ANYONE ELSE POST THEIR OSHI
Battle Royale stlye fights, warnings being handed, Jannys get depressed

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Mikeposting will save the forum

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

like im sure you people are alright

but that post was cringe

edit: and the one below

 

[reinigen]

Okay, but mockery is a big part of the bygone spirit of "anything goes" bulletin boards.

And I don't disagree! But the problem is we CAN'T fire back as hard as others do because the second we do we get accused of potentially abusing our power, which just stirs the whole hornets nest and I have to just stop talking because people are so agitated they don't even want to listen to anything I say. Like, MAN. I like @El Rrata . But I'm trying to reasonably bear my soul here about a genuine problem with myself and the current state of the forum. And I'm hit with a Migo? Like, okay, it's a fucking sticker. I get it. But it just feels like - again - genuine expressions of what I'm trying to say is a very real impending problem for this website aren't taken seriously.

I'm a 40 year old man. I have an autistic toddler. My job has been going wild, and I only have so much free time in the day. I think this website provides a decent refuge to talk about this kind of stuff. But I only have a finite amount of time to do things you know? So when I decide "Do I want to administer and participate on a website where it feels like nothing I say is actually cared about and discussed anymore" so I just lurk in the off-topic threads like the Video games thread, or do I just want to ignore this place and play some Monster Hunter and shit talk with my friends on Discord....like, what kind of a choice do you think I make?

I basically haven't touched the general thread for PROBABLY 600 pages. Not because I stopped watching vTubers. I watch them every day. It's because any passion for chatting with you guys has just tanked. And I try to say things and it feels like any attempts to talk where I let the walls down and have a heart to heart with you goobers is met with derision. Us admins are only human, and we have normal emotions like the rest of you guys.

...I hadn't even thought about the V-tuber exclusivity angle of it, because it's certainly true that there's just... not that many other places to discuss v-tubing like sane people. TVA is ten thousand times better for that than /vt/ (or god forbid reddit or simpcity or something). So not being able to talk v-tubers in the site about discussing v-tubers is... certainly a problem.


I don't know. I do hope things get better.

Like I said. My solution has been - unfortunately - to detach for the better part of 4-5 months. I don't like it. I feel bad. I wish I had a desire to talk to people. But a few bad eggs can ruin the whole experience. And it's currently where I'm at.

 

[El Rrata]

I am gonna write a "How to" guide on causing the complete collapse of society with nothing but Migo spams and make millions.

 

[BlueSharkTV]

I am gonna write a "How to" guide on causing the complete collapse of society with nothing but Migo spams and make millions.

this shit really is causing melties it's too powerful it can't be contained

 

[El Rrata]

this shit really is causing melties it's too powerful it can't be contained

@VSoyBoy How do you even stay sane? You must impart us with your wisdom.

 

[agility_]

They told everyone about the bombs they dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But few people knew the truth, that an enormous Migo landed on those cities and people just couldn't bear with the shame.

 

[thhrang]

I am gonna write a "How to" guide on causing the complete collapse of society with nothing but Migo spams and make millions.

Rein's complaint is you now contributing nothing to the conversation except being an agitator who attempts to act aloof and above it all who would then almost certainly cry wolf if hit for refusing to engage in good-faith.

 

[shipmate_F]

Okay, but mockery is a big part of the bygone spirit of "anything goes" bulletin boards.

I post about stuff, knowing that 1) a fraction of people will read it and move on 2) someone will like it 3) someone will agree with me 4) someone might quote me and add or start a debate 5) someone will disagree with it 6) someone will hate it and trash me 7) some a-log will add that data to his 'agility.doc' for future ammo 8) a new migo to add to my pile. I can't let any of that get under my skin, because at a distance you cannot tell the difference between a concern-poster, an evil clown, or a skillfully articulate shitposter.

What I'm saying is dish it out as well as you can take it, but don't take it to heart; otherwise you're bound to get rattled a lot. Do you need to know how much I hate anime or just don't care about Advent at all in every post I make? not really. Do I need to know the latest patch notes on current marvel-slop? not really. I think we can all get along just fine, cursing and swearing included.
I guess this makes a lot more sense if you grew up with lots of brothers and sisters.

It might be my autism, others' autism or everyone's autism but I feel a bit of antagonism directed at staff as if they weren't people.
I mean, they aren't, that's the whole lemma of being a janny, but I think we can pretend they are, we're at an asylum after all.

I don't blame people tired of Bossman essays after he fucked up for the third time (I don't really think it's a huge fuckup anyway, there was no DEFCON order until now), but expecting anyone in an open space to keep a clear mind 100% of the time is insanity, employ an AI for that.

Maybe there's something lost in translation between janny's and users' perspectives, it's a very gay conversation to have but better late than never I guess.

TL;DR

 

[Egg the Boiled]

And I don't disagree! But the problem is we CAN'T fire back as hard as others do because the second we do we get accused of potentially abusing our power, which just stirs the whole hornets nest and I have to just stop talking because people are so agitated they don't even want to listen to anything I say. Like, MAN. I like @El Rrata . But I'm trying to reasonably bear my soul here about a genuine problem with myself and the current state of the forum. And I'm hit with a Migo? Like, okay, it's a fucking sticker. I get it. But it just feels like - again - genuine expressions of what I'm trying to say is a very real impending problem for this website aren't taken seriously.

I'm a 40 year old man. I have an autistic toddler. My job has been going wild, and I only have so much free time in the day. I think this website provides a decent refuge to talk about this kind of stuff. But I only have a finite amount of time to do things you know? So when I decide "Do I want to administer and participate on a website where it feels like nothing I say is actually cared about and discussed anymore" so I just lurk in the off-topic threads like the Video games thread, or do I just want to ignore this place and play some Monster Hunter and shit talk with my friends on Discord....like, what kind of a choice do you think I make?

I basically haven't touched the general thread for PROBABLY 600 pages. Not because I stopped watching vTubers. I watch them every day. It's because any passion for chatting with you guys has just tanked. And I try to say things and it feels like any attempts to talk where I let the walls down and have a heart to heart with you goobers is met with derision. Us admins are only human, and we have normal emotions like the rest of you guys.

Like I said. My solution has been - unfortunately - to detach for the better part of 4-5 months. I don't like it. I feel bad. I wish I had a desire to talk to people. But a few bad eggs can ruin the whole experience. And it's currently where I'm at.

It sucks you're going through that, and I don't know the solution to regular users coming up and yelling when you're doing regular vtuber discussion. The only way I can think of, and I might be optimistic here, is to sincerely engage again and stop taking things so personally. People aren't out to get you, we're thankful we have a site at all. The problem is that the site feels like it's one meltdown away from exploding.

The mods seem to lash out when people dislike certain vtubers, like Kirsche for example. If they were just an opinion sure, Miko and move on. I agree that some things are stupid. But when people are responding with an aura of "well as a mod you should be glad you can say these untruths" is obviously going to be met with hostility.

That, and there's a pattern of Proctor saying something stupid, apologising, and then everyone forgives him. I can sympathise with a lot of what he puts up with, but that sympathy only goes so far until something stupid happens again. If we could go say... six months between next nonsense, then I imagine moral would improve.

 

[El Rrata]

Rein's complaint is you now contributing nothing to the conversation except being an agitator who attempts to act aloof and above it all who would then almost certainly cry wolf if hit for refusing to engage in good-faith.

If you really want a real answer, I genuinely find any sort of conversation on any matter with @The Proctor to be a complete waste of my time at this point. I have discussed my views on just about every fucking matter of discourse that has taken place today over the course of the last 2 and a half years on this site whether out of response to something happening or from how I was expecting things to happen if things continued the way they did.

The fact of the matter is, I have not a single ounce of respect for him after that last horseshit with his femboy friend in Discord causing yet another fallout on this forum and am over the pittybaiting bullshit from all of you after hearing it over and over again. I genuinely view him as completely delusional over why he is disliked(spoilers: it is not and has never been just because he is the head of this place) and find him to be no better than Nolan in how he acts on and offsite.

Basically, the Migos will continue until morale improves. Which is never.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

If you really want a real answer, I genuinely find any sort of conversation on any matter with @The Proctor to be a complete waste of my time at this point. I have discussed my views on just about every fucking matter of discourse that has taken place today over the course of the last 2 and a half years on this site whether out of response to something happening or from how I was expecting things to happen if things continued the way they did.

The fact of the matter is, I have not a single ounce of respect for him after that last horseshit with his femboy friend in Discord causing yet another fallout on this forum and am over the pittybaiting bullshit from all of you after hearing it over and over again. I genuinely view him as completely delusional over why he is disliked(spoilers: it is not and has never been just because he is the head of this place) and find him to be no better than Nolan in how he acts on and offsite.

Basically, the Migos will continue until morale improves. Which is never.

Why is Discord always involved?

 

[Saturnus]

So when I decide "Do I want to ... participate on a website where it feels like nothing I say is actually cared about and discussed anymore"

I know this comes off as snarky, but I could never imagine that.