General Thread v4mirai: Brought to you by Brave

Koronesuki said:

Can we fast-forward to the part where he gets bored with this bit, loses interest in vtubing, and goes somewhere else to bother some other fandom instead?

She probably doesn't even read them. She probably has Mane-san ignore them for her.

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GIven how little Gura uses Twitter, she probably doesnt even manage her own account or read DMs (probably doesnt even have them open).

Hff201 said:

Everyone else has already done a good job at picking apart what he actually said, so I'll just once again reiterate that luwud should kill himself as soon as possible.

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Archive or screenshot. It seems he deleted the post and I cant seem to find an archive of it.

Superduper Samurai said:

Does anyone who is not a harine even deny that the first year was pretty bad for PC?
is this even a newfag thing by now?

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Things were bad for the talents but that first year was probably what gave Phase their iconic "culture" as a Vtuber corporation.

Thomas Talus said:

I think that the company could survive a couple people leaving on their own terms for their own reasons, but at least Pippa is probably still a load-bearing talent in that if her departure isn't on good terms, or worse, is involuntary, it might be a mortal wound even if they don't immediately collapse.

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It all depends on how she leaves and how Phase handles it. Nothing is really stopping her from leaving at this point.

If its all on good terms, the proper response to that as a company is to be sad about it happening because she has been a founding member and one of the main reasons for your success (also losing that revenue source will suck) then possibly even shout her out. In an extreme case where the company wants to end up looking the best, they could give her the model or sell it to her but they will probably ask for too high of a price. Shit will generate a ton of goodwill and improve the way the general public views Phase while at the same time not fuck over the talent by having them start from scratch. Even the people that are there for Pippa will appreciate the gesture and wont stir too much shit about the issue.

Hotdogs Aplenty said:

12 hours without his long-winded posts and gooning tweets

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God's Strongest Dragoon said:

Azehara crying as his 14th goon session in the past 4 hours will be his last one as his phone's battery dies. If only he charged his phone before the power outage.

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Im back faggots.

Last Of The Mohicans said:

(archive)

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This person is a piece of shit. This is why people hate artists.

Helkar said:

According to Hina it was more of a disappearance. As in, she ghosted the company, entirely*, for at least two months and was still allowed back in as if nothing happened after reappearing.
This level of leniency for a relatively-new and relatively-unimpressive employee(we're not talking gura-level juggernaut here who'd generate heaps of cash even in absentia) is frankly absurd for any sane business enterprise.

*i have speculated back when they paused memberships for Hina that Phase themselves actually had no idea where she was, and it later turned out i was absolutely correct lol.

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I assume she did mention or had commented to staff as to what was happening even if she then left and cut all contact. I distinctively remember her talking about her father's health issues and later on those taking a turn for the worse.

RestlessRain said:

There was no reason to fire Hina, and lots of reasons not to fire her:
1) It would look incredibly bad to fire someone who had left after expressing concern for their father's health and saying they wouldn't be able to stream if something happened, and who managed to come back from hiatus after her father had health concerns.
2) Hina was in production art for upcoming events, as art gets produced months in advance. Firing her would mean that art would need to be reworked (costing money). After getting through that art, it made sense to produce event art without her, which didn't cost any money either.,
3) Hina's fanbase would be upset, and would have negative feelings towards Phase Connect as a whole
4) The other talents would be upset.
5) There's little downside in keeping a talent on the books that's not streaming. They don't require management time or resources (managers work across all talents for Phase Connect, rather than being assigned specific talents). There was also a chance of her coming back, which would mean she could generate income in the future.

Now let's say Pippa suddenly stopped streaming. The same reasoning would apply, even if Pippa generates more income for PC than Hina does. Firing her for not working is bad optics, especially if it was a personal or family emergency, it would upset the fanbase and other talents, and there would be little downside for keeping Pippa as an employee.

I don't get the argument that Sakana would be less lenient with Pippa than Hina, even if Pippa generates more money for PC than Hina does.

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If there is a valid reason for a talent to go MIA (despite maybe there being some sort of stream time requirement) Phase only stands to loose if they had graduated her. Even if the talent goes completely MIA. At most you just have to wait for them to get back and explain what the fuck happened. Any sort of action from phase other than pausing memberships would have ended up looking extremely bad on their part .

dkn2038 said:

poached everyone but a competent accountant capable of preventing him of burning all those sheckels in useless conventions

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You say that but at the end of the day the jew got Brave to pay him for the company and he probably made off with a substantial amount of money while leaving the company all fucked up.

Azehara said:

You say that but at the end of the day the jew got Brave to pay him for the company and he probably made off with a substantial amount of money while leaving the company all fucked up.

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sadly everyone leaves with golden parachutes

I think it would be funny if we get the double whammy corpo bad posting of Nijsanji suddenly revealing that Aster did nothing wrong and they found a way to imply Twisty actually raped him instead

dkn2038 said:

Imagine if gooning generated electric power...

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I imagine him getting electrocuted by his own powers while screaming in Homer Simpson's voice.

electronic elephant said:

Phase's popularity with users on this forum massively skews our perception of its relevance.
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That chart is for combined JP/Rest-of-the-world, right? A bunch of those agencies between VShojou and PC have little EN presence, and Niji's share of EN is not so good these days. And we're an EN/ES/SEA-based forum, where as much as we might appreciate the JP streamers, we are a lot less likely to be JP stream-watchers.

Superduper Samurai said:

Please dont attract the DeviantArt Knee-grow enthusiasts

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Kneegrows? Where?!

smells like lawyers here...

dkn2038 said:

smells like lawyers here...

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Damn beat me to it, was just about to post it. Yeah definitely weird that shes suddenly apologizing for that stream. Would not be shocked if Brave threatened some form of legal action against her, hence the video.

John Vtuber👁️ said:

I've tried reading all of this, and have failed, so my position still stands that Muumi should be paid more for the sheer amount of work she does in holding the company together, and the talents have every legal right to bully fishman whenever they want

WHERE'S THE MUUMI MERCH, FISHMAN, I DON'T WANT TO GACHA FOR THE CHANCE OF IT, I WILL PAY THE FULL PRICE FOR ONE (1) MUUMI MERCH

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sometime after the Aiko merch i would imagine.

NeneLOVE said:

General Thread v5: The Rrats are Winning

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How can they be winning if @El Rrata is dead?

VSoyBoy said:

How can they be winning if @El Rrata is dead?

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You have to let him go, VSoyBoy. The crash wasn't your fault.

Koronesuki said:

You have to let him go, VSoyBoy. The crash wasn't your fault.

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Don't lie to the guy

electronic elephant said:

Phase's popularity with users on this forum massively skews our perception of its relevance.
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The fact that Phase made it on there (and not part of "others") suggests it's really not that small.
Although that graph is only for one quarter, is there one like that for the whole year?

PixelLink comes back from the dead one last time with a final message

JusticeDog said:

The fact that Phase made it on there (and not part of "others") suggests it's really not that small.
Although that graph is only for one quarter, is there one like that for the whole year?

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There's charts by other aggregators and phase is usually 0.6-0.7% (Watchtime)
This is why you'd use to see the "Phase fans make up 0.7% of viewers but make whatever% up of the shitposts" baitposts in /vt/

Holo and Niji are the ones getting robbed here by the inclusion of indies, when each usually makes up 33% and Holo has gotten 50% months just last january.

electronic elephant said:

Phase's popularity with users on this forum massively skews our perception of its relevance.
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As much as I find the phasefags here annoying it is absolutely incredible that they even have enough of an impact to have their own slice no matter how small

NeneLOVE said:

There's charts by other aggregators and phase is usually 0.6-0.7% (Watchtime)
This is why you'd use to see the "Phase fans make up 0.7% of viewers but make whatever% up of the shitposts" baitposts in /vt/

Holo and Niji are the ones getting robbed here by the inclusion of indies, when each usually makes up 33% and Holo has gotten 50% months just last january.

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Indies do add up, though. We have ex-Holo and ex-Niji talents making great viewing numbers, there are popular non-corpo talents, and all those two and three-views add up when there's so many of them. Not including any of this if you're looking at overall vtubing viewing habits doesn't make sense.

RestlessRain said:

Indies do add up, though. We have ex-Holo and ex-Niji talents making great viewing numbers, there are popular non-corpo talents, and all those two and three-views add up when there's so many of them. Not including any of this if you're looking at overall vtubing viewing habits doesn't make sense.

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Yeah but this is 4000+ indies vs 80 holos, that chart doesn't really visualize how big the disparity is.
"Indies" is basically an "other" category, which includes everything from very popular people to thousands of nobodies grinding to less than 10 people, which can make it very misleading.

NeneLOVE said:

Yeah but this is 4000+ indies vs 80 holos, that chart doesn't really visualize how big the disparity is.
"Indies" is basically an "other" category, which includes everything from very popular people to thousands of nobodies grinding to less than 10 people, which can make it very misleading.

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We need other information like the minimum CCV numbers to be taken in account by the graph

NeneLOVE said:

Yeah but this is 4000+ indies vs 80 holos, that chart doesn't really visualize how big the disparity is.
"Indies" is basically an "other" category, which includes everything from very popular people to thousands of nobodies grinding to less than 10 people, which can make it very misleading.

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Misleading how? They've made a list of the 4,000 most popular vtubers and split them into viewer watch time by corporate affiliation (or lack thereof), and it turns out that a lot of viewers are watching non-corpo vtubers. If there's anything misleading about the data, I'd say the that the long tail of two-view vtubers not included in the chart data would skew watch time even higher towards indies, but I think asking to add viewing data for that would be unreasonable.

Helkar said:

Phase Friend(rather unfortunate, but true) luwud has some really deep and insightful thoughts on the departure of Gura. And naturally, he wishes to share those thoughts with the world.

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Gosh, that tweet seems to have prompted a lot of discussion. It sure would have been nice if someone had FUCKING ARCHIVED IT.

dkn2038 said:

and now that we're close to page 1000, we need another name for the thread, but brave is still the company with the worst year right now... at least nijisanji staff learned how to shut the fuck up and stop doing stupid things at least until the last was forgotten...

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