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Abomination said:

it very well could be for others if they aren't careful and have their real names on their accounts.

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How retarded do you have to be to stream from a user account with your real name on it?

Cubanodun said:

If she start playing Mahjong out of nowhere we know fishman got her with free healthcare or free coffee

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COFFEE?!
FAKE FAN!

dumdum did nothing wrong said:

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Lisa's new membership tiers. like gawd damn woman don't you know egg prices have skyrocketed.

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I get it because she seems somehow bigger than she always is and her fans more devout.
Maybe because she has more popular friends, but I am always shocked at her CCV/views.

Anyway, as a performer with less numerical but probably more passionate fans, I can understand trying to monetize that and for those who give all those gift subs not to cut into people who would be willing to pay for exclusive streams.

bothyourhouses said:

How retarded do you have to be to stream from a user account with your real name on it?

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That's weird, you ask a question about how retarded vtubers are like you've just joined the hobby yesterday but your account is from 2022.

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White Stone said:

I'm pretty sure I have seen even users here glazing the hell out of Coco and her achievement.

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Because general sentiment on her was positive then. The downplaying now basically comes from "I don't like her now, therefore past her can't have been anything notable, because past me can't have been wrong".
It's been years and Coco is still sitting at the third most supad of all time, beaten only by Pekora and Rushia. That's not a stat for someone who actually was never a big deal at all and never achieved anything for the industry.

Zizara said:

Because general sentiment on her was positive then. The downplaying now basically comes from "I don't like her now, therefore past her can't have been anything notable, because past me can't have been wrong".
It's been years and Coco is still sitting at the third most supad of all time, beaten only by Pekora and Rushia. That's not a stat for someone who actually was never a big deal at all and never achieved anything for the industry.

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I never really saw the appeal of Coco but, I thought she was great in her collabs with JP where she was a contrast to them but on her own she was dull. To me she only really shined with others by her side

I didn't wake up in time to catch the start, but MiruTheBear is back to playing more Oblivion. The illogical chaos of the game compliments the illogical chaos of her autism very well.

Zizara said:

The downplaying now basically comes from "I don't like her now, therefore past her can't have been anything notable, because past me can't have been wrong".

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Any time her fans are asked what great things she did they never seem to reply anything other than "she willed HoloEN into existence", "she fought against evil corporate culture" and "she was great in collabs". With first being bs, second being contrary to what a lot of fans want themselves and third being nothing particularly special. And it was her own hands (or rather tweets) that slowly eroded any kind of good memory people had of her. Lots of things she did or said are now perceived differently in the context of her being a regular fleshposting thot

Limkin said:

Any time her fans are asked what great things she did they never seem to reply anything other than "she willed HoloEN into existence", "she fought against evil corporate culture" and "she was great in collabs". With first being bs, second being contrary to what a lot of fans want themselves and third being nothing particularly special. And it was her own hands (or rather tweets) that slowly eroded any kind of good memory people had of her. Lots of things she did or said are now perceived differently in the context of her being a regular fleshposting thot

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she may not have fought the evil corpo culture but she was constantly pushing the envelope with what she could get away with, The reason i'm so down on her now is because she has nothing to push against

Which is why you ask people instead of fans who probably think they have a legit shot at her secret treasure.

Zizara said:

Because general sentiment on her was positive then. The downplaying now basically comes from "I don't like her now, therefore past her can't have been anything notable, because past me can't have been wrong".
It's been years and Coco is still sitting at the third most supad of all time, beaten only by Pekora and Rushia. That's not a stat for someone who actually was never a big deal at all and never achieved anything for the industry.

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I was referring to the regular comments of how she was somehow responsible for the creation of HoloEN, which is an exaggeration at best. There were like a 4 months gap between her debut and the audition call for HoloEN, too short of a time for her to somehow convince the management to do something that ambitious. At that time Hololive was already en-route to become popular within the English-speaking community, so most definitely they already had plans for an English branch.

While not as common, I have also seen comments in the form of 1) she single-handedly made Hololive popular and 2) she brought chaotic-ness and horny-ness into Hololive, which are both BS.

Her having a lot of supa just means she has a very dedicated and rich fanbase, I don't see how that has anything to do with how "influential" she is.

It wouldn't be that bad if that's all her fans did. But many of them get really aggressive and condescending if you don't put her on a pedestal. Back then Kiara did a Family Feud for a Myth collab, one of the topics was "This Hololive vtuber brought people into the rabbit hole". There were so many triggered comments in the clip (see below) about how Coco didn't make it into the list (the list was Korone, Gura, Fubuki, Miko and Pekora from highest to lowest). Some of them had the gall to accuse the fans for "being very young" and thus didn't know about how "great" Coco was, which was ironic because everyone in the list besides Gura are more senior than Coco.

I just can't stand her voice.

Aka Split said:

I just can't stand her voice.

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Her Mickey Mouse impression is peak content what do you mean?

White Stone said:

It wouldn't be that bad if that's all her fans did. But many of them get really aggressive and condescending if you don't put her on a pedestal

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Her fans quite literally act like she was a Jesus of vtubing. They attribute everything good to her, they made her a martyr, the more time pass the more things she is somehow responsible for or did all on her own. They never actually watched her content and only heard of her from other fans educating them on how great she was, just like most people never read the bible and only attended church for appearance

Lia's sleep schedule is having a normal one.

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Azehara said:

Koe is probably the best normie-friendly person to give some sort of "deep dive" into Hololive. I dont think he has watched much of them in the past 2 or 3 years and he just consumes clips.

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Yeah, a deep dive into the shallow end.

Azehara said:

You care too much what others think. Tourists will always be around and the whole "gatekeep" shit doesnt work unless you just start pushing loli vtubers that do NSFW content to try to scare the normies off.

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I guess I'll have to start shilling Shondo and Nyana Banyana then. I don't watch them, but if that's what it takes to get rid of the tourists, then that's what it takes.

Zizara said:

Because general sentiment on her was positive then. The downplaying now basically comes from "I don't like her now, therefore past her can't have been anything notable, because past me can't have been wrong".
It's been years and Coco is still sitting at the third most supad of all time, beaten only by Pekora and Rushia. That's not a stat for someone who actually was never a big deal at all and never achieved anything for the industry.

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Coco was great. She hasn't really done anything of note as Kson, but that's alright. I saw her graduation from Hololive as basically her retirement from vtubing. She can do whatever she wants now. I just wish she wouldn't do things that make vtubing worse. I don't watch her anymore. I can't even remember the last time I watched a Kson clip. I probably wouldn't even think about her much if people here didn't talk about her so much.

Koronesuki said:

I can't even remember the last time I watched a Kson clip

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The last clip I saw of her she wasn't using her vtubing model and she was horny baiting by making out with her JAV friends

I think the people that put Coco on a pedestal are the ones that only know English and ESLs, and more than likely they didn't care about her for her content, they cared about her because China bad, just like how most of the retards defending Rushia claim she got in trouble for having a husband (believed bf at the time) and didn't even bother to read the JP notice for her termination, they only cared on a surface level like with Mano Aloe.

I also doubt any of the ones claiming she made EN possible even watched any of the non meme review streams since she streamed everything else in Japanese and barely said any English sentences most of the time (compared to the amount of Japanese she spoke at least) so they don't consider every other talent because they probably didn't watch them, at this point I don't doubt they are the unfunny clip watchers that parrot the same jokes in chat too.