"I, um... am really good at sitting in the passenger seat and eating food. But if we get some McDonald's fries, I can feed you while you drive like, 'Say aah~!' Before you can say 'I want one' I'll stuff 'em inside your mouth. Sure, the inside of the car may smell like fries but that's a small price to pay for happiness"Yuzuki Choco

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Laidho

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Between this:

And all the other stuff she's run her mouth about, Fishman should be seeing Sayu as a liability. Hiring someone who has a history of jumping at the chance to tell secrets and boost herself off hate isn't going to stop doing it when she gets a job at a new place.
As a Phase shill, I would be very, very surprised seeing her show up in Invaders after everything this past 3 months. As much people like to joke about Sakana, the guy is an autistic Chinese businessman. Emphasis on the Chinese part. Meaning that he has some hang-ups on how things should run that may seem alien to a lot of us westerners. In addition to that, I don't think he wants a repeat of Yuri ever again.
 

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Between this:

And all the other stuff she's run her mouth about, Fishman should be seeing Sayu as a liability. Hiring someone who has a history of jumping at the chance to tell secrets and boost herself off hate isn't going to stop doing it when she gets a job at a new place.
Sakana's pretty good at tard-wrangling. There's no way he'd let her go on False's show. He's also done a good job making sure they all stay pretty tight-lipped about the Selen situation. Whatever the fuck she has for a "manager" now clearly isn't cutting it. It's why her joining Phase despite her high viewer numbers seems more likely than your average poachbeg.

As much as Phase is growing it still doesn't make much sense for your average mid-tier 3-view to join cause they'd likely be giving themselves a paycut though.

There's definitely other benefits like networking, security, etc. to be gained from joining Phase but so many of the poachbegs already have an audience that heavily overlaps with Phase that they wouldn't gain much viewer wise.
 
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I've seen far worse hoodies.

Too flashy. She is definitely not the queen of stealth merch. Would be cute for a girl, though.

Edit: Holy fuck, the hoodie is 75 USD

As a male Hag, I'd never wear it or 99.9% of their merch.
 
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I like Hexa, i really do but bitch needs to stop bringing up the "menhera moment". Its not as big as she makes it out to be and she seem to be mentally kneecapping herself every single time she talks about it. Also stop drinking.
She was really emotional last night because her chat fully funded a $700 mic, $200 audio interface, $200 to commission porn of herself (which she almost never gets), and a bunch of subs/memberships.
 

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I'm surprised that Phase is still on the table for her, given the amount of support she got post-Niji. I have always pinged her as someone that Phase could poach, but given her new income, the only thing that Phase can give her is a community and something to belong to, as I doubt she would be making more cash in the short term. Also, why Matata? I thought she was outside the click.
I dont think Phase could offer much to her. SHe also doesnt seem the type to be into the idol thing and Sakana still wants to pursue that up to some extent.
Might i remind you that she made her own website with merch shop and memberships? She's as indie as she could possibly be, both fishman and Gunrun barely could offer her anything. And she already collab with Phase regularly.
 
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I hope Kiara got permissions from ex-Liver Frogbert to show him in this video.

Edit: And Pomu, too?! Riku is gonna have to take a flight to Austria, soon.
 

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As much as Phase is growing it still doesn't make much sense for your average mid-tier 3-view to join cause they'd likely be giving themselves a paycut though.
I honestly have no care at this point for anyone in particular to join Phase as an Invader. They've got enough members for now, and honestly, the annoying poachbegging has turned me off from having any wishes for people to join. If they do, great, but I have no active wishes for it.

That being said, while Sayu and others can do perfectly fine on their own, I think people underestimate the desire for some people to be a part of something larger than themselves and as part of a group with others. Some people need something like that to feel "belonged". Don't get me wrong, plenty of indies do perfectly fine on their own and have no desire to join a corpo, and I don't think those people need or should join a corpo. But for the others, people have done done a lot crazier things than take a pay cut to get that sense of belonging. May not be a smart decision, but whatever makes them happier, I suppose.

As for Sayu herself, I do mostly sympathize with her for what she went through, but she really needs to move on. It's been over a year since her shit with Niji happened, and while the Selen shit brought her situation back up, it's not worth holding onto that baggage. It's not healthy and is going to keep dragging her down. Granted, this can be said of many other vtubers, and the easy answer to all of them is "women", but she's not doing herself any favors by clinging onto it. Would be a way bigger middle finger to Niji and those who kicked at her on the way out to show she doesn't need them to thrive and be happy. She seems more like a scorned lover with the way she keeps at this.

Anyway, let me dig through my metaphorical bag to find some fun vtuber content to add to this thread.

Here, have a clip that was uploaded today of an older collab with Rie and Erina. I feel like Erina deserves to get shared around more.
 

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Idk the comment seemed pretty solid Sayu confirmed she is blocked by Tara in one of the sources (the false interview chat) that's why she apologized publicly during the interview


Like I said I pinned the comment in that clip
yeah like i said. Sure it lines up but that does not make it any more true then me saying Randon wears womens underwear sure it lines up with what we know about him but it takes more then sense to be fact.

Even if it was all true (assumption) that does not equate to Matara cockblocking Sayu simply because it goes against Matara's stated philosophy regarding such so either she has "no time for hate" or shes a lying whore who sabotages people and given that comments heavy emphasis on Matara and how she deals with people it's weird that that detail does not line up with her character.

Sure you could make the argument that Sayu meant she would not be comfortable in Vsho if Matara was there (assuming Matara is the person) but that feels a bit weak as for why the twitter block it's simple.

neither of them care enough to correct it stop putting emphasis on friggin twitter lists it's barely evidence.

The source for Sayu's segment on False's show was the video: "【NEW STARDEW UPDATE】Starting a new file because of the BIG UPDATE! w/renniesaurus" at 6:26:30.

She would later follow up on a Twitch-only stream titled "chatting a bit then back to #1 BIGGEST BOX MOUNTAIN EVER", discussing it at 14:36.

As for why this is happening, there's a clip of something Sayu said during her October subathon, just before Matara's debut. The title is "Sayu Talks About Zaion's Time in Nijisanji - Mentions Kotoka & Finana". There, at 4:26, she talked about how Zaion's last message to people before she left was that they were worth more than they thought they were, then specifically mentioning a time when Nina was crying to her in a voice call about how she felt like she was nothing without Niji.

And in an interview with FalseEyeD, "FalseEyeD Interviews Sayu Sincronisity", found on this very channel (plug plug), at 28:18 False brings this up, and Sayu immediately follows up with mentioning how she's blocked (and basically confirms it in chat at 30:38) but still says how she's sorry.

So it's pretty clear that Mata likely didn't appreciate how Sayu told her entire audience about this, especially just a few days before her debut when she was feeling very nervous and emotional.

As for the question "Why hasn't Mata unblocked her?", I think a quote from Mata's stream on December 10, 2023 is relevant (Unfortunately, it seems to have not been uploaded to her VODs channel, but I have a recording of the relevant segment on my hard drive). In it, she discusses how she ended a friendship with someone she said she was friends with before her time in Nijisanji because they were talking badly about her recently

"I tend to buy a lot of gifts. The people that are close in my life, I give all my time to them. I help them, I am there for them, I check up on them, I'm present, I'm available, I have a lot of time. If somebody loses that trust and friendship with me, now I have more time for the people that really matter. So if I lose a friendship because I find out that, you know, somebody has been talking shit or there's jealousy or anything, good! More time for other people, more time for the people that matter.

"And another quote from the same stream:"There's this phrase and it's so corny but he makes so much sense, I hate how much this phrase makes sense. It's like "losers focus on winners, winners focus on winning" ...I don't have time to hate! I gotta stream! I gotta react to a Bricky video! (laugh). I don't have time to hate! I gotta hang out with my girlies in VShojo! But seriously, I, I just don't have time to hate! Life is long, you know, i gotta go to the gym, I gotta make my food, life is good! If you got time to hate you're not making time for other things in your life. Seriously, hating, hating is a full time job, I really do think so. I really think, like, hating is a full time--,and I'm talking serious hating right, like, I'm not an angel, I dislike some people.I dislike a few people here and there you know, it's normal. People can rub you the wrong way and you can just dislike them that happens to everybody, even to me (laugh).But even I don't put a lot of time into the hate, i just ignore."

And as someone who watches her streams a lot, this isn't just talk. This very much lines up with how she actually behaves. So while I think it's unfortunate that these two aren't on good terms now, I don't think Sayu is owed forgiveness from her, even if I personally am willing to forgive Sayu and continue to watch her.

And wit that in mind, it's pretty obvious why Sayu is never getting into VShojo. After losing Vei, Silvervale, Nyanners, and Nazuna, I'm convinced that the VShojo talents and members only want new members if they're committed to agency for the long-haul, and aren't likely to cause tensions with existing members. Especially since members keep their IP when they join/leave.

And as a big VShojo fan, PLEASE stop asking people to join VShojo! Chances are good that they've already considered it. They don't need you to remind them. And there's nothing wrong with being an indie.

Almost like taking things that only support your argument make it look stronger then it is we should have a word for that veggie plucking? idk ill workshop it.
 

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Looks like the Kiara stream was very ribbeting
Not sure if it was mentioned before but Kiara said they get 3 merch releases per year: Birthday, Anniversary, and one they can use for anything. This is using the third one from last year.

Edit: I forgot the 3.
HOPE WOMAN WHERES MY HOPE WOMAN MERCH?!
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I've seen far worse hoodies.



As a male Hag, I'd never wear it or 99.9% of their merch.
Unwilling to represent your oshi? Weak
Too flashy. She is definitely not the queen of stealth merch. Would be cute for a girl, though.

Edit: Holy fuck, the hoodie is 75 USD
Seems like that's a standard hoodie price for them no?
 

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Looks like the Kiara stream was very ribbeting

HOPE WOMAN WHERES MY HOPE WOMAN MERCH?!
She did two outfit merch drops. One last year for her casual, and one this year for her "gamer" outfit. So, including birthday and anniversary, that will be it for her.

Unwilling to represent your oshi? Weak

Seems like that's a standard hoodie price for them no?
Ah, is it? I have never bought a hoodie from Holo.
 

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She did two outfit merch drops. One last year for her casual, and one this year for her "gamer" outfit.


Ah, is it? I have never bought a hoodie from Holo.
hold on what merch other than her birthday did we get this year?
 

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She did two outfit merch drops. One last year for her casual, and one this year for her "gamer" outfit. So, including birthday and anniversary, that will be it for her.


Ah, is it? I have never bought a hoodie from Holo.
60USD+ is pretty standard for merch hoodies. 75 is probably the mid-high with some hyper jewing them to 80 and 90
 
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