The Virtual Asylum Gets First Hitpiece, VICE Attempts Chuubagate

[Poyoyo & Jill]

Everyone is calling it "vtubergate" but honestly it's more like "kirschegate", I really don't see anyone who matters involved in this or giving the slightest shit. It's just a no name journo and a political commentary indie battling it out with a bunch of grifters and tourists swirling around it like vultures. That's like calling a border skirmish between angola and botswana "World war three" I think people are too eager to rope the entire industry into it to further their side's chances of winning this literal nothingburger.

My same toughts
It just a bunch of left wing indie literally who vtubers and a tranny journalist+ SEAMonkey Nijisister Bint VS another Indie vtuber
It doesnt affect anyone else

 

[Zyklon Mag]

You sure he's not one of Jakarta's? Or Singaporean? Or a Malay monkey?

What's the difference between 3 ooking monkeys? Does one kind have a technicolor ass?

 

[Cubanodun]

Binted, because I know you're reading this site and possibly this thread; I just wanted you to know I and possibly other users here on the TVA never intended to ruin your life or harass you. I just wish for you to know some kind of shame and/or guilt for being a SEA creature tweeting for the entirety of the day into the night over issues that do not affect you in your mudhut. The consequences of your actions should affect you. Even if they do not, I am using my native American raindance magic to conjure a typhoon to rival the storms on Jupiter to hit all of SEA right now.

He has more things to worry about, like after all that shit talk about loli stuff now he is associated with a pedophile

 

[Little Stone]

Everyone is calling it "vtubergate" but honestly it's more like "kirschegate", I really don't see anyone who matters involved in this or giving the slightest shit. It's just a no name journo and a political commentary indie battling it out with a bunch of grifters and tourists swirling around it like vultures. That's like calling a border skirmish between angola and botswana "World war three" I think people are too eager to rope the entire industry into it to further their side's chances of winning this literal nothingburger.

It's true that it's only affecting a small number of people at present, and Hololive (which I assume you are referring to?) has avoided getting involved with anything that could be seen as remotely political or controversial since Taiwan. But people like Valens are deranged enough that I'm sure there's bullshit they could dig up if they thought they could score brownie points with it (the Kobo "Adam and Bob" comment, Calli's old raps, even the fact the company has segregated male and female branches – that sort of thing). Would that actually work? Looking at what happened to Brittany Venti, probably not. But still, it's important to keep track of these sorts of bad actors and not think that they wouldn't try to attack Hololive if they thought they could get away with it. After all, it was Valens and Vice who started calling it "vtubergate" – they intended for it to affect the wider community!

 

[NeneLOVE]

It's true that it's only affecting a small number of people at present, and Hololive (which I assume you are referring to?) has avoided getting involved with anything that could be seen as remotely political or controversial since Taiwan. But people like Valens are deranged enough that I'm sure there's bullshit they could dig up if they thought they could score brownie points with it (the Kobo "Adam and Bob" comment, Calli's old raps, even the fact the company has segregated male and female branches – that sort of thing). Would that actually work? Looking at what happened to Brittany Venti, probably not. But still, it's important to keep track of these sorts of bad actors and not think that they wouldn't try to attack Hololive if they thought they could get away with it. After all, it was Valens and Vice who started calling it "vtubergate" – they intended for it to affect the wider community!

I meant Hololive, Niji, vshojo, phase, brave, basically every other corpo sans vallure, large indies and basically everyone else.

 

[Laidho]

What's the difference between 3 ooking monkeys? Does one kind have a technicolor ass?

The sound of their mating calls.

 

[Spergatory]

I think debating about who this does and doesn't affect is pointless. Just laugh at Phil being a retard.

 

[The Proctor]

I meant Hololive, Niji, vshojo, phase, brave, basically every other corpo sans vallure, large indies and basically everyone else.

They're fighting so you don't have to. You commit an inherent fallacy in your thinking, in that the only reason this is small is because people have proactively stood up and defended all of these companies and entities for them, so they didn't have to do it themselves. People like Kirsche are what enables the companies you consider 'non-political' to continue being so, because without them, the broken culture of ignoring controversy and allowing lies to be spread without response would cause even more damage than it already has.

 

[NeneLOVE]

They're fighting so you don't have to. You commit an inherent fallacy in your thinking, in that the only reason this is small is because people have proactively stood up and defended all of these companies and entities for them, so they didn't have to do it themselves. People like Kirsche are what enables the companies you consider 'non-political' to continue being so, because without them, the broken culture of ignoring controversy and allowing lies to be spread without response would cause even more damage than it already has.

Kirsche literally vtuber savior??!?!?!?

 

[Xuhle]

Kirsche literally vtuber savior??!?!?!?

Kirsche is all the 300 hundred holding the line.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

Kirsche is all the 300 hundred holding the line.

she weighs as much as the 300

 

[Xuhle]

she weighs as much as the 300

Where else do you think the korsche come from to start with?

 

[Superduper Samurai]

They're fighting so you don't have to. You commit an inherent fallacy in your thinking, in that the only reason this is small is because people have proactively stood up and defended all of these companies and entities for them, so they didn't have to do it themselves. People like Kirsche are what enables the companies you consider 'non-political' to continue being so, because without them, the broken culture of ignoring controversy and allowing lies to be spread without response would cause even more damage than it already has.

The companies' bottom line and hiring practices lets them be apolitical when they can. Nothing here will change the broader view of how retards could or could not strike at companies with actual legal teams, management and parties that let them nip at the bud and negotiate these kinds of attacks on their talent, what Kirsche does is great and important, especially for micro corpos like VAllure and individuals targeted by bigger forms of media but its ultimately for her turf of indie streamers and her own personal causes.

 

[Little Stone]

I meant Hololive, Niji, vshojo, phase, brave, basically every other corpo sans vallure, large indies and basically everyone else.

But in that case, there is precedent that these kinds of harassment campaigns can spread and affect the wider community, no? A whole lot of different vtubers were attacked over playing Hogwarts: Legacy, including many who did not have anything to do with politics. That harassment similarly came from the "woke" political segment, and even involved the same topic of "trans people". I don't think this particular "campaign" will grow as large as that one, partly because Valens isn't a competent "leader" and has been exposed as a hypocrite and a creep, but the HL situation shows that political drama can grow and affect the wider community, if left to fester.

 

[kanpainiggi]

Kirsche will save the vtubers race guys! Can't you Yamanbas see?

 

[Superduper Samurai]

But in that case, there is precedent that these kinds of harassment campaigns can spread and affect the wider community, no? A whole lot of different vtubers were attacked over playing Hogwarts: Legacy, including many who did not have anything to do with politics. That harassment similarly came from the "woke" political segment, and even involved the same topic of "trans people". I don't think this particular "campaign" will grow as large as that one, partly because Valens isn't a competent "leader" and has been exposed as a hypocrite and a creep, but the HL situation shows that political drama can grow and affect the wider community, if left to fester.

The HoloJPs and IDs played it without issue, the EN side just chose to not touch the poo or were told not to because people were rabid retards

 

[NeneLOVE]

But in that case, there is precedent that these kinds of harassment campaigns can spread and affect the wider community, no? A whole lot of different vtubers were attacked over playing Hogwarts: Legacy, including many who did not have anything to do with politics. That harassment similarly came from the "woke" political segment, and even involved the same topic of "trans people". I don't think this particular "campaign" will grow as large as that one, partly because Valens isn't a competent "leader" and has been exposed as a hypocrite and a creep, but the HL situation shows that political drama can grow and affect the wider community, if left to fester.

Did HGL do anything besides making Pippa more popular and exposing some indies and vshojo members as retarded assholes?

 

[Zizara]

They're fighting so you don't have to. You commit an inherent fallacy in your thinking, in that the only reason this is small is because people have proactively stood up and defended all of these companies and entities for them, so they didn't have to do it themselves. People like Kirsche are what enables the companies you consider 'non-political' to continue being so, because without them, the broken culture of ignoring controversy and allowing lies to be spread without response would cause even more damage than it already has.

I meant Hololive, Niji, vshojo, phase, brave, basically every other corpo sans vallure, large indies and basically everyone else.

It would take very little for these bad actors to include Phase with Pippa being Kirsche's friend, and then from there start harrassing Phase talents in general because Pippa hasn't been the spiciest member in a while and a bunch have said things these types would love to seethe about if only they actually knew about them. Likewise for Kirsche's connection to Filian - which has already caused sperging in the past. Check any reddit thread that refers to Filan collabing with anyone, full of the usual crybullies trying to poison the well. From there, Phase & Filian's further associations. These attacks aren't so far off from the wider industry as they seem.
Bint's behaviour certainly isn't going to improve on its own; we have most of the Twitter insanity thread as evidence for that. He spends literally all day every day on this, and with that level of obsession he's bound to hit something eventually. Anal Violence citing those tweets to signal boost them into an even bigger harassment campaign is already part of that. Same goes for him, if he wants to start bringing media attention into this and hitting out at sponsors and trying to spin reprisal for his misbehaviour as essentially hate crimes, you can't just leave that narrative unchallenged to bite you in the ass later.
We've already seen this escalate with Phil and Bint shifting their targets and tactics until they get what they want - it started with VAllure. It'll be a good thing if it stops at Kirsche, and hopefully it does with the threat of her and others standing up to check them. But if it's not enough to intimidate them into backing down then it's a fair assumption that they might switch targets again, and we could do without downplaying the people currently doing the gatekeeping we claim to value so much, or being so laissez-faire in regards to malicious actors with nothing to do other than spend all day trying to find ways to hurt good people we care about.

 

[NeneLOVE]

It would take very little for these bad actors to include Phase with Pippa being Kirsche's friend, and then from there start harrassing Phase talents in general because Pippa hasn't been the spiciest member in a while and a bunch have said things these types would love to seethe about if only they actually knew about them. Likewise for Kirsche's connection to Filian - which has already caused sperging in the past. Check any reddit thread that refers to Filan collabing with anyone, full of the usual crybullies trying to poison the well. These attacks aren't so far off from the wider industry as they seem.

Filian was maligned because of the copyrighted model shit.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

It would take very little for these bad actors to include Phase with Pippa being Kirsche's friend, and then from there start harrassing Phase talents in general because Pippa hasn't been the spiciest member in a while and a bunch have said things these types would love to seethe about if only they actually knew about them. Likewise for Kirsche's connection to Filian - which has already caused sperging in the past. Check any reddit thread that refers to Filan collabing with anyone, full of the usual crybullies trying to poison the well. From there, Phase & Filian's further associations. These attacks aren't so far off from the wider industry as they seem.
Bint's behaviour certainly isn't going to improve on its own; we have most of the Twitter insanity thread as evidence for that. He spends literally all day every day on this, and with that level of obsession he's bound to hit something eventually. Anal Violence citing those tweets to signal boost them into an even bigger harassment campaign is already part of that. Same goes for him, if he wants to start bringing media attention into this and hitting out at sponsors and trying to spin reprisal for his misbehaviour as essentially hate crimes, you can't just leave that narrative unchallenged to bite you in the ass later.
We've already seen this escalate with Phil and Bint shifting their targets and tactics until they get what they want - it started with VAllure. It'll be a good thing if it stops at Kirsche, and hopefully it does with the threat of her and others standing up to check them. But if it's not enough to intimidate them into backing down then it's a fair assumption that they might switch targets again, and we could do without downplaying the people currently doing the gatekeeping we claim to value so much, or being so laissez-faire in regards to malicious actors with nothing to do other than spend all day trying to find ways to hurt good people we care about.

See, i dont disagree with this broad statement and echoed it before, but the issue here is taking it as extremes and assuming they would be as successful with corpos (lets face it, all the forum cares about now is Hololive and Phase) as they did with Kirsche. Most Corpos have dedicated fanbases that arent even "muh problematic", actual legal teams, and the fact that even most normies dont agree or even think their tactics are acceptable at any form or another, as we saw with how people universally panned Valen's coverage and maliciousness to Vallure, to the point where VAllure never even had to respond and had most of the community back them up, both their fans, regular vtubers, dramafags, and everything in between. To the point where only a miniscule amount of Bluesky users were the ones still sounding the warhorns, to a resounding 3 likes per post