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[God's Strongest Dragoon]

the Latinx said that Kson doesn't work because she's from Atlanta

Because if you're from Atlanta, you're basically black. I don't make the rules, that's just how it works.

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

why is this okay?

Cause shit supposed to end sometimes, the truth that big dick investors and normies can't wrap their heads around. Every franchise right now is in zombie simpson era, and the only way to get any fresh air around here is either by being indie pilled, which comes with its own caveats like tranny ps1 slop, or if by pure chance big company actually makes good game... or turn to the dark side and become nintendrone.

 

[Ginkgo Balboa 🌾🗡]

The problem is, it changes the scene. The gaming scene in the 2010s to today is not what it was in the 80s, or 90s, or even 00s. It drastically changed it - not just the games and series themselves, but the marketing, the conventions, other media, and the community. How different the feel of everything that makes up the industry is in the 2020s compared to the 1990s may as well be two different universes. As much as there were a lot of things I greatly disliked about the 2000s gaming industry, I could at least look at it as an evolution - good and bad - of what came before. Since the 2010s? It's a mutation, and one I despise.

I do not like just hanging on to a little corner of actual good gaming there is when this was all avoidable and leaving what once was a wasteland. Additionally, just retreating to where the grass is still green will not help, as the invading forces will not stop and let you have your little island.

I'm reading a lot of complaining and not ideas on what to actually do.

For one thing, the spergs involved in these types of games aren't getting laid off; they're getting quietly promoted to consultancy positions for new games, and the old companies are being restructured to incorporate DEI principles into them on a much deeper level called BRIDGE, which Kirsche has done numerous deep-dives on.

For another... why is this okay? Why is it okay for great franchises to be repeatedly raped, pillaged and destroyed, just because indie games are good? I don't want to play Wyvern Era: Beginnings, I want to play Dragon Age: Origins. I don't want to constantly have to abandon established settings, deep lore and characters I've grown attached to and crawl away to the indie market to find something to replace them. That's cuckold consoomer logic, and exactly what the woketards want you to do. They want you to not care about the pillars of the industry that are being torn down. They want you to retreat into an ever-shrinking bubble of contacts while everything you used to love is ruined. Don't be a cuck.

Nobody is saying we're okay with it, Dear Fearless Resistance Leader, but what can you fucking DO? Complaining on the internet doesn't quite fix things, in case you haven't noticed.

 

[Abomination]

For one thing, the spergs involved in these types of games aren't getting laid off; they're getting quietly promoted to consultancy positions for new games, and the old companies are being restructured to incorporate DEI principles into them on a much deeper level called BRIDGE, which Kirsche has done numerous deep-dives on.

For another... why is this okay? Why is it okay for great franchises to be repeatedly raped, pillaged and destroyed, just because indie games are good? I don't want to play Wyvern Era: Beginnings, I want to play Dragon Age: Origins. I don't want to constantly have to abandon established settings, deep lore and characters I've grown attached to and crawl away to the indie market to find something to replace them. That's cuckold consoomer logic, and exactly what the woketards want you to do. They want you to not care about the pillars of the industry that are being torn down. They want you to retreat into an ever-shrinking bubble of contacts while everything you used to love is ruined. Don't be a cuck.

"Cuckhold consoomer logic" is telling these people to fuck themselves and take my business elsewhere to get something enjoyable? As opposed to sitting in the chair in the corner and continuing to seethe while you watch these things getting ruined?


I accidentally deleted what I had already written out like a dumb ass. So to try and summarize what I originally had:

I don't think it's okay. I'm just not going to sit and seethe and doom about it so much. You say they want me to go find something to replace them? I say they want to see you seethe and doom as they ruin what you love. Because you're a problematic piece of shit, and they like having this power over you. All the while, I may pop my head in to laugh at their failures in between me consuming something that I'm actually enjoying. Remember that woman writing those shitty comics that said "If you don't like my politics, don't buy my books." Remember months later when she claimed that books weren't selling too well? I'm all for shit crashing and burning and allowing for something to rise from the ashes. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I'm all for a AAA video game crash. I've still got plenty to enjoy.

That being said, this wasn't even my main argument. It was that video gaming isn't dying just as Western vtubing won't die. There will always be something out there to enjoy. I'm not saying don't call out bad actors or tourists coming in and trying to change them. I'm just saying don't blackpill yourself into misery. Call these people out, and mock-and-shame them when shit blows up in their faces, but don't forget to actually spend time having fun with something. I may be disappointed that Civ 6 and 7 were steps down from Civ 4 and 5, but instead of continuing to complain about it, I've moved on to Old World, and I'm having a ton of fun with it.

The problem is, it changes the scene. The gaming scene in the 2010s to today is not what it was in the 80s, or 90s, or even 00s. It drastically changed it - not just the games and series themselves, but the marketing, the conventions, other media, and the community. How different the feel of everything that makes up the industry is in the 2020s compared to the 1990s may as well be two different universes. As much as there were a lot of things I greatly disliked about the 2000s gaming industry, I could at least look at it as an evolution - good and bad - of what came before. Since the 2010s? It's a mutation, and one I despise.

I do not like just hanging on to a little corner of actual good gaming there is when this was all avoidable and leaving what once was a wasteland. Additionally, just retreating to where the grass is still green will not help, as the invading forces will not stop and let you have your little island.

I don't disagree for the most part, but I'm more in the camp of what @Punished Anime Discusser said when it comes to much of this. To me, I blame more of this on how big and corporate it feels compared to what it used to be, but that's a whole different discussion. As I said, I'm all for a AAA video game crash and watching all that shit tumble to the ground.

No matter what, I spent my recent Saturday night playing Deep Rock Galactic and Ready or Not with a few friends on voice chat, and had a lot of fun doing it. Then on Sunday morning, I watched Lumi stumble her way through EU4, and had a lot of fun with that. I'd much rather put more focus on having times like these than constantly being blackpilled all the time about certain things within these spheres.

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Anyway, this shit has gotten way off-topic. Here, have a Lumi clip from that stream of her making retard noises:

 

[Security]

I'm reading a lot of complaining and not ideas on what to actually do.


Nobody is saying we're okay with it, Dear Fearless Resistance Leader, but what can you fucking DO? Complaining on the internet doesn't quite fix things, in case you haven't noticed.

Oh I have no clue what to really do, outside from a lot of genocide.

What I was expecting to happen, in the past, was for people to just say "no," be it the corporate nickel and dimeing or the woke infestation.

For example, there was an attempt in the early 90s at what one would call pay-to-win in an arcade game (I believe it was the third Double Dragon game?) - and that was the only one I remembered doing something like that, where you could put in extra quarters to get power-ups. This idea just died right then and there, and I didn't see a return to something like it until MMOs. Along with that was stuff like DLC, which, when introduced in the 00s (technically was there in the 90s, but not exactly), seemed like a great idea - new mini-expansions to games! Then the Horse Armor came along, and, despite being laughed at, sold a fuckton, and it was all downhill from there.

For shit like the woke, it used to just be laughed at out of the room, and anyone trying to be such a clown would be mocked until they left. Something broke in the 2010s and the freaks and their power trips just became accepted, and those who resisted were the ones being shown the door.

But being alright with it - and that is what I've been seeing - is just going to ensure things get worse. Stop buying things from people who hate you, be it games, seeing movies, going to conventions, or what have you, is at least showing that you'll not partake. Unfortunately, I see a lot of people partake in the garbage, despite saying they hate it. Better yet, start attacking in whatever way you can. More people some much as just expressing they despise something does increase the volume. Where that goes, we'll see.

 

[NeneLOVE]

We need a politisperg thread so we can lock proctor in there

But being alright with it - and that is what I've been seeing - is just going to ensure things get worse. Stop buying things from people who hate you, be it games, seeing movies, going to conventions, or what have you, is at least showing that you'll not partake. Unfortunately, I see a lot of people partake in the garbage, despite saying they hate it. Better yet, start attacking in whatever way you can. More people some much as just expressing they despise something does increase the volume. Where that goes, we'll see.

I'm pretty sure most of the people here are already doing this lol, and I agree this is the only sensible solution. People need to stop financially supporting retards who hate them. Arguing online is essentially pointless, stop consooming trash and you'll see how quickly these companies crash and burn.

 

[ValkyrieAce]

People also seem to forget that indie games were the ground zero breeding ground for those people. Just years upon years of indietrash "they were gay all along" walking simulators and shit.

 

[Phantasm]

People also seem to forget that indie games were the ground zero breeding ground for those people. Just years upon years of indietrash "they were gay all along" walking simulators and shit.

Yeah I remember back when Gone Home came out twelve years ago I bought it thinking it was going to a spooky horror story instead I got my lesbian sister ran away with her butch dyke girlfriend and the Games Journos acted like it was the second coming of Christ. Indie games have always been infested with trash

 

[Tubedude]

Lesson big corpo took from runaway successful indie games: "Gay shit sells!"

Lesson big corpo should have taken: "Tightly designed fun shit sells!"

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

People also seem to forget that indie games were the ground zero breeding ground for those people. Just years upon years of indietrash "they were gay all along" walking simulators and shit.

Yeah I remember back when Gone Home came out twelve years ago I bought it thinking it was going to a spooky horror story instead I got my lesbian ran away with her butch dyke girlfriend and the Games Journos acted like it was the second coming of Christ

Don't forget 2 billion Metroid clones about depression. And yet "2D platformers are dead when are 2Ad platformers gonna come back"

 

[NeneLOVE]

Yeah I remember back when Gone Home came out twelve years ago I bought it thinking it was going to a spooky horror story instead I got my lesbian ran away with her butch dyke girlfriend and the Games Journos acted like it was the second coming of Christ

I remember when the dev of Night in the woods got harassed into anhero-ing or when the dev of celeste tried to retcon xir game into some kind of woke allegory. It has always been a problem of "creative people tend to be mentally ill" thus "mentally ill people tend fall in with cults and ideologue crowds".

In other news...

Nobody told me MURRAY WAS BLACK?!

 

[Punished Anime Discusser]

For one thing, the spergs involved in these types of games aren't getting laid off; they're getting quietly promoted to consultancy positions for new games, and the old companies are being restructured to incorporate DEI principles into them on a much deeper level called BRIDGE, which Kirsche has done numerous deep-dives on.

For another... why is this okay? Why is it okay for great franchises to be repeatedly raped, pillaged and destroyed, just because indie games are good? I don't want to play Wyvern Era: Beginnings, I want to play Dragon Age: Origins. I don't want to constantly have to abandon established settings, deep lore and characters I've grown attached to and crawl away to the indie market to find something to replace them. That's cuckold consoomer logic, and exactly what the woketards want you to do. They want you to not care about the pillars of the industry that are being torn down. They want you to retreat into an ever-shrinking bubble of contacts while everything you used to love is ruined. Don't be a cuck.

Spoiler: Prepare to go on an arduous journey to read this non-Proctor post

Was Dragon Age 2 a product of wokeism or bad management and game development?
Were Mass Effect 2 and 3 a product of wokeism or bad management and mediocre game development?
How about Dead Space 3, was it woke, or EA's retarded management trying to maximize profits?
Was Halo 4 a product of wokeism, or bad management and game development?
Were Battlefield Bad Company 2, 3 and 4 as mediocre followups to 2 and 2142 products of wokeism?
Was RE6 (god bless that game) a product of wokeism or schizophrenic jap game development and chasing profits?
Final Fantasy 13 sure had a black guy and some women in it, huh?
Fallout 3? Fucking OBLIVION after Morrowind? Skyrim? Crysis 2? X-com Enemy Unknown after the 2D games? Diablo 3? Deus Ex 2 and HR as followups to motherfucking DEUS EX? Duke Nukem motherfucking Forever?

Wow, look at that, great franchises, raped and pillaged, never to recover. Curse those damn time traveling wokies.

You know what cucked logic is? Not being able to fucking move on. Not being able to accept that, while it sucks, half the things you liked were horribly ruined by dumb executives and hordes of Xbox Jimmies, before Tumblr was even popular and Zoe Quinn fucked those five guys, and even that was over a decade ago. Pretending like a game is somehow made worse by all of its terrible sequels, instead of enjoying it for what it is. Being stuck in this retarded grump-loop of constantly bitching about that one series that hasn't had a good release in fifteen years getting yet another bad installment, instead of spending your time enjoying media you do like and talking about that.

Why wouldn't I play indie games to "replace" games I like? If the indie game is good it's just giving me more of what I like. I really fucking like Ace Combat, so i played Project Wingman and ended up having a great time. Why would it be cuckold logic to branch out and find more games to like? It's not the same world, characters or plot, and that sucks sometimes, but, not like it's deleting my meories of the game it "replaced". Guess what, I can also still just play the game I "replaced". It still exists. It's still real. I can still play it. Even if it's a dead MMO most of the time I can still play it because someone actually gave enough of a fuck about it to bring it back in one way or another instead of being a sad sack.

Yeah, I'm sure the woketards also really, really want me to have a good time, never give them my money, and never think about them. Instead, to really fight the wokie menace, I should be constantly crying on twitter or youtube about how terrible, no good, awful their 3/10 shitgame is and getting more eyes on them. I should go out of my way to make my life worse, so I can do free advertising for people who want me dead.

Fallout being a shambolic corpse fucking sucks, and I was genuinely upset about it for a while, but Fallout New Vegas is still my favorite game, it'll probably be that way for a long time. They can't retroactively make it worse, cause I don't care about their lore "additions", they can't magically change how I felt and still feel when I play the game. So what's the point of still being mad about it? What do I gain out of it? What changes if I don't buy the new game, or angrily don't buy the new game? Cause at the end of the day the bottom line really is the only thing that matters, and they don't get to make more terrible, politically-hamfisted games if they don't have money to do so. And if they keep getting more money, to make more games, it's not from me, so what can I do about it?

I understand you're a soulless, garden-grown homonculus that your parents plucked from the soil 33 years ago, so none of what I say means anything to you, but if your socially stunted ass wants to actually improve the world, actually get out of your mountain of bat guano and unfinished gunpla, stop being such a perpetually outraged little cockroach, help improve your IRL community, and go vote.

 

[frz]

Callie is only nominally part of the western vtuber industry though. She's signed to a JP company and operates under their rules. She has nothing to fear from western influence so long as Cover continues to be a massive money-printing behemoth.

I'm reminded of a quote by Lenin; 'the capitalists will sell us the rope we will use to hang them'. It's only ever the footsoldiers of the progressive order that are so extreme they'll try to destroy you for any degree of dissent. If you're big enough and wealthy enough, they're happy to deal with you, because doing so can be justified as taking your money to enrich their cause, which they can then just turn into more power for themselves. Hogwarts Legacy is a major example. The footsoldiers shrieked about how awful and transphobic that game was, while the senior executives calmly pocketed the enormous profits the game made and got to congratulate themselves, because to them, they got a lot of money from anti-SJWs looking to support the game and then they inserted trans ideology into it anyway.

That's why you can't compromise. You can't 'live and let live', because there is never any 'letting live' on the extremist side. If you just 'sit back and laugh' they'll do exactly what they did during Gamergate. Back then, everyone 'sat back and laughed' at this bunch of idiots and fools, thinking that they'd never get taken seriously by anyone. Now they control very large parts of the games industry and the mainstream media, entirely because the people who were in the prime position to stop them just 'sat back and laughed'.

These tactics don't work. They never, ever worked. It's time to admit that.

I just want to say that Vice and most online news site pays their writers by clicks.
The best thing you can do to the person is... not talk about her.
The more people talk about her, the more people clicks on her article to read and disect it, the more she gets paid and the more she is incentivized to write even more shit.
If you truly wants to stop her, get a gun and show up at her house. Your "internet resistance" will only spawn more copycats, looking for profit and more shit article/clickbait youtube video waiting for you to seethe at. Because they know they can rile you up.

 

[Security]

As I said, I'm all for a AAA video game crash and watching all that shit tumble to the ground.

Few things would put a bigger smile on my face than the gaming industry crashing harder than 1983. It still hurts like hell to see all these studios and series be skin-suited and acting the exact opposite as I fondly remember them.

To bring this back to vtubers: I think the scene is in an okay position, but due to my experience, I want to see more people vigilant so that it doesn't become like movies and games. People need to be on guard and ready to bring out the claws at any and all attempts to subvert and co-opt it. Everyone is welcomed to enjoy the culture, but not to change it.

I have some optimism that a corruption won't happen, part because of the Japanese influence, and because, from what I can tell, Zoomers seem to be more keenly aware of infiltration attempts - and my supposition is that, because the Great Indoctrination tried to accelerate in their time growing up, it was so much more obvious to many of those being brought up in the institutions, meanwhile my generation got only drip fed, so the seed was planted more firmly without notice. This may be why they're less concerned, as they may feel they don't need to be on high alert since more of them will just outright reject attempts at corruption? I can only hope that's the case, but given my experience, I opt for being on high alert and not simply rejecting or ignoring attempt to corrupt, but destroying any completely on the spot.

So yeah, eat shit, OffKai.

 

[MerelyTourist]

Spoiler: Prepare to go on an arduous journey to read this non-Proctor post

mucho texto

I think the main point of contention is that, while previously it was just mediocre sequel to beloved masterpiece, now it's mostly below mediocre and have woke shit shoehorned in. Too much is too much man.

 

[Punished Anime Discusser]

I think the main point of contention is that, while previously it was just mediocre sequel to beloved masterpiece, now it's mostly below mediocre and have woke shit shoehorned in. Too much is too much man.

I think you're just forgetting how bad DA2, ME3 and FF13 really were, and what the discussion surrounding them really was like back then.

 

[Scoots]

I think the main point of contention is that, while previously it was just mediocre sequel to beloved masterpiece, now it's mostly below mediocre and have woke shit shoehorned in. Too much is too much man.

Plus so what if games are shit for different reasons that doesn't make the whole woke garbage any more palatable or any reason a game is shit for that matter this is retarded whataboutism

 

[God's Strongest Dragoon]

I remember when the dev of Night in the woods got harassed into anhero-ing or when the dev of celeste tried to retcon xir game into some kind of woke allegory. It has always been a problem of "creative people tend to be mentally ill" thus "mentally ill people tend fall in with cults and ideologue crowds".

In other news...
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Nobody told me MURRAY WAS BLACK?!

Night in the Woods dev anhero'ing was actually the starting point of all the Sweet Baby stuff. Holowka was dating ZOE FUCKING QUINN.

Zoe Quinn knew he was mentally vulnerable and purposely destroyed his life with just an accusation, as her friends in the gaming media all hyperfocused on it and everyone, including his dev team, immediately cut ties with him. He killed himself only 4 days after the accusation. The whole post from his sister was wild as fuck. She spends the entire thing trying to imply without outright stating that the SJWs that went after her brother are lying but even after her brother killed himself, she's more concerned about losing respect among her fellow SJWs than explicitly calling them out. Her brother was told to not state his perspective because no one would believe him, which is likely one of the reasons why he killed himself.

The guy was mentally unwell, was immediately isolated from everyone, and had his career and reputation torn to tatters instantly while being told that it's over and you can't defend yourself. His sister knows it was all wrong but takes his wealth and resources to help Zoe Quinn's faction because she's part of the same cult. Fuck Zoe Quinn and fuck fags like Nbinted that defend that whore.

The best part is that's just a tip of the iceberg. She drove Alec Holowka to suicide, whose wealth and company (Infinite Ammo) went to his sister who used it to fund Weird Ghosts, an impact fund, and its subsidiary, Baby Ghosts. Both of which helped fund Sweetbaby Inc. When people found out about Sweetbaby Inc and called it Gamergate 2.0, they didn't know the half of it.

 

[Lurker McSpic]

There are negroes in this fucking thread thinking things will change The average person can't fucking work simple if then logic and you expect shit to change? the only way to change things if you revoke voting rights from those people but that won't ever happen. You can fight in the trenches of the culture war but your side will show their true face like the "right" with their muh degeneracy bullshit. Culture had a good run and there's enough shit to watch and play that thanks to AI you can also tap into other countries soon.

I just wanted to chime in because there were plenty of pages of this shit and I can't pass a good driveby Here have some good shit. I hope gura manages to find a producer that isn't a retard and she makes good shit

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

Mass Effect 2

I thought it was good...