Hololive General

[roktofferson]

when Kiara meets new people and she doesnt want to clearly say what her work is and just says she works from home as a streamer but will not say any more, people think she does porn or OF

I dont get why they struggle to answer this. "I work remotely for a Japanese company, but can't go into details because of NDAs"

 

[SpringKusa]

Having no input in the choreography for It's Not A Phase (idol dancing to an edgy song, and Mumei probably knew that it was a farewell performance with Fauna, if not for herself also). All the PFP's she drew? Cover was supposed to put them all in a dropbox months ago because Mumei's not allowed to make her own file storage link, and they still haven't done it. And I feel like I'm still forgetting things that were mentioned in the past or even as recently as today.

This might sound cynical, but while those all sound very realistic issues cover management would produce, they also don't sound unsurmountable.
But also, I think "having no say in choreo" might be a good example of things that bother one talent, but not the next. Kiara getting told she has to dance some idolfag routine would make her happy, she probably would not even see the issue there.
But also, for those things here, it reads to me like Mumei didn't push hard against those issues. Kiara, since 3rd Fes has been dancing homebrewed choreos during FES, and its not like there is a set template dance the girls HAVE to follow. If you remember early Ame or Ina numbers was more running/standing on the stage and wiggling cutely. Me know even from top JPs like Suisei or Pekora that they often have to fight really hard and long battles to get their way. This, of course, is much simpler done from Japan. But I can not imagine if management told Kiara, "no your dance is no good" that she would just take it standing. She would push back and insist on doing her own thing.
The thing with the dropbox is weird to me, because on the surface, Kiara doesn't seem to have such a restriction. She distributes KFP Polaroids she signed (worth 1 pink Supa) as well as members Wallpapers. I don't remember Kiara saying management has to do those links for her, so either Kiara just ignores that rule and does it on her own because its quicker or the Polaroid deliveries don't get bottlenecked by her manager, because they always come out on time (after Kiara takes several weeks to sign them all first)

I don't wanna say that Mumeis frustrations are not real (that 1 million wish stuff is fucked and boy would Kiara have done a stink) but I think they are a good example that different talents have different limits. Some will just tire out fighting japanese corpo autism earlier than others, and for some the highs are not high enough to compensate for all the pushing and work in-between those highs. I can say fairly confidently that for example that even if Kiara having to practice and record for Fes and her Hello!Project live at the same time and being constantly exhausted for 2 weeks or so straight, the results of those efforts made her proud enough to say "that was all worth the suffering".
And probably Fauna or Gura think that the constant little pushes they have to give management are too draining in the long run, and they know that coasting as an Indie without having to worry about what Homework is the path of least resistance, a path they will enjoy more.

I think @NeneLOVE said something similar and more concise before, but in the future Hololive will only be for those who are born to grind, and I do think Takamori are the prime examples of that in EN.

At the bare minimum whatever 3D models Cover had in 2023 are able to be used at other studios

You can update that to 2025, Kiara recent Hello!Project themed Live was recorded in an external studio (in Japan) as well.

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Also, everyone should go and watch the last Gura Hologra it was very cute and heartwarming
Something about Kiara hiding something from Gura on purpose so that she can extend the remaining time she has with her on purpose and Gura knowing all this time and playing along for Kiara feels very in-character, almost as if that really happened
and I refuse to believe that this is a coincidence

KFP reaction to the Hologra:

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Apologies for the long-post, have some lesbians for compensation:

 

[Scoots]

Also, everyone should go and watch the last Gura Hologra it was very cute and heartwarming
Something about Kiara hiding something from Gura on purpose so that she can extend the remaining time she has with her on purpose and Gura knowing all this time and playing along for Kiara feels very in-character, almost as if that really happened
and I refuse to believe that this is a coincidence

KFP reaction to the Hologra:

Fr it was very cute and it even had Marine in it to have the remaining umisea there to see her off too, also not at all surprised those were real chicken tears. I also love the beginning with Calli unpacking all Gura's shit to also delay the inevitable very in character for both Kiara and her to stall like that

Gura and Mumei trying not to cry at eachother

 

[NeneLOVE]

This might sound cynical, but while those all sound very realistic issues cover management would produce, they also don't sound unsurmountable.
But also, I think "having no say in choreo" might be a good example of things that bother one talent, but not the next. Kiara getting told she has to dance some idolfag routine would make her happy, she probably would not even see the issue there.
But also, for those things here, it reads to me like Mumei didn't push hard against those issues. Kiara, since 3rd Fes has been dancing homebrewed choreos during FES, and its not like there is a set template dance the girls HAVE to follow. If you remember early Ame or Ina numbers was more running/standing on the stage and wiggling cutely. Me know even from top JPs like Suisei or Pekora that they often have to fight really hard and long battles to get their way. This, of course, is much simpler done from Japan. But I can not imagine if management told Kiara, "no your dance is no good" that she would just take it standing. She would push back and insist on doing her own thing.
The thing with the dropbox is weird to me, because on the surface, Kiara doesn't seem to have such a restriction. She distributes KFP Polaroids she signed (worth 1 pink Supa) as well as members Wallpapers. I don't remember Kiara saying management has to do those links for her, so either Kiara just ignores that rule and does it on her own because its quicker or the Polaroid deliveries don't get bottlenecked by her manager, because they always come out on time (after Kiara takes several weeks to sign them all first)

I don't wanna say that Mumeis frustrations are not real (that 1 million wish stuff is fucked and boy would Kiara have done a stink) but I think they are a good example that different talents have different limits. Some will just tire out fighting japanese corpo autism earlier than others, and for some the highs are not high enough to compensate for all the pushing and work in-between those highs. I can say fairly confidently that for example that even if Kiara having to practice and record for Fes and her Hello!Project live at the same time and being constantly exhausted for 2 weeks or so straight, the results of those efforts made her proud enough to say "that was all worth the suffering".
And probably Fauna or Gura think that the constant little pushes they have to give management are too draining in the long run, and they know that coasting as an Indie without having to worry about what Homework is the path of least resistance, a path they will enjoy more.

I think @NeneLOVE said something similar and more concise before, but in the future Hololive will only be for those who are born to grind, and I do think Takamori are the prime examples of that in EN.



You can update that to 2025, Kiara recent Hello!Project themed Live was recorded in an external studio (in Japan) as well.

---

Also, everyone should go and watch the last Gura Hologra it was very cute and heartwarming
Something about Kiara hiding something from Gura on purpose so that she can extend the remaining time she has with her on purpose and Gura knowing all this time and playing along for Kiara feels very in-character, almost as if that really happened
and I refuse to believe that this is a coincidence

KFP reaction to the Hologra:

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Apologies for the long-post, have some lesbians for compensation:

Indeed, I am of the opinion that Holo will end up being only for the people that wanna bust their assess up clawing their way to stardom. Other agencies and indies will take over the "just playing Vidya and chatting" and "le funni streamer personality" niches.

Everyone says Holo is an idol company but I think now that is actually starting to become true.

 

[Kanna's Glowiest Assistant]

I dont get why they struggle to answer this. "I work remotely for a Japanese company, but can't go into details because of NDAs"

Because people in the show business might actually like to discuss the gigs they have lined up with their social circle, not pretend they're doing remote HR work for a Japanese software firm with their friends, family and acquaintances.

 

[NeneLOVE]

Because people in the show business might actually like to discuss the gigs they have lined up with their social circle, not pretend they're doing remote HR work for a Japanese software firm with their friends, family and acquaintances.

I mean I think this is mumei problem, other talents have told their family and friends and there's been no issues whatsoever. If she thinks her acquaintances will not accept her career then there's nothing anyone can do.

Kronii and bae have had their irl friends on stream and nerissa literally had her whole fucking family.

 

[Not Important]

Indeed, I am of the opinion that Holo will end up being only for the people that wanna bust their assess up clawing their way to stardom. Other agencies and indies will take over the "just playing Vidya and chatting" and "le funni streamer personality" niches.

I don't think it will happen - their biggest stars would be nowhere near as popular as they are, if they were focused solely on idol activities, without memes born from their playthroughs and collabs.
Notice recent Q1 popularity results. Even if they can be retarded and slow, I bet Cover top mangers had noticed those.

 

[NeneLOVE]

I don't think it will happen - their biggest stars would be nowhere near as popular as they are, if they were focused solely on idol activities.

>Suisei who barely streams still undoubtedly the biggest name in the company
Sure they may not have as many subscribers or casual viewers but that doesn't mean they can't still be immensely popular with a more niche approach. All other vtubers stream, all other vtubers play games, all other vtubers chat with their audience and do le quirky menhera personalities, but only Holo puts out as many concerts and events.

In a bloated industry one should always play to their strengths, simply debuting generic vtubers which do what everyone else is doing isn't gonna cut it, sure they can still stream and such but new people need to be prepared to face the company's now widely known (rainbow me) autism and incompetence if they wanna siphon some of that sweet easy fame. You are joining a japanese company, you are gonna get fucked by paperwork, expect it and don't apply if you don't like that sort of thing.

 

[Punished Anime Discusser]

I don't think it will happen - their biggest stars would be nowhere near as popular as they are, if they were focused solely on idol activities, without memes born from their playthroughs and collabs.

Aside from Suisei, as Nenelove said, and Ayame only waking from her sarcophagus to slaughter Koreans, and people I could be forgetting about, I can't keep up with all six million talents, most of the people on board seem OK both streaming and doing projects at the same time, so that shouldn't be an issue.

 

[agility_]

It hurts me when Towa-sama is sad.

 

[tarkanoltr]

holoTalk with Goomba is still on, followed by a Myth collab relay ending with her the next day:

 

[Kazuma]

Here is an archive of Mumei's member streams that are on her channel as of today. She removed 2 streams yesterday, 【MEMBERS ONLY】Learning New Songs !! ~ [dlPD8Dtb1TQ] and 【MEMBERS ONLY】Thumbnail Making + Brainstorming [6FhTwRb8LtY]. I managed to download them before she deleted them.
mega

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

I mean I think this is mumei problem, other talents have told their family and friends and there's been no issues whatsoever. If she thinks her acquaintances will not accept her career then there's nothing anyone can do.

Kronii and bae have had their irl friends on stream and nerissa literally had her whole fucking family.

Mumei is a bit on the spectrum. That's basically the answer. Her relationship with her family doesn't seem to come across as bad, just weirdly distant on things. I think she made a grave mistake in not sharing her experiences while in Hololive with them. And she might come to regret that. And I can be fairly confident it's going to be a bigger intra-family drama than she realizes she's caused, because, well, parents.

I know you've been thinking it's issues around those that don't stream much, but I think the bigger issue is they've shed most of the non-JP speakers. All of the remaining members of gens 1 & 2 of "HoloEN" are either fully fluent or passable at Japanese. Advent has 2 of 5 with good JP fluency, but Bijou has moved to Japan and is learning already. Shiori and Nerissa are the types that'll run over the top of people to get things done, so they can manage the environment. With Justice, you have a JP-speaker that's based in Japan already, Gigi will probably figure it out and likely end up there at some point, Liz is older and already used to the grind of things. Cici is the odd one out, but she has Kiara to leverage and push through things.

In terms of friction, adding layers of people to translate concerns/issues/problems/solutions adds up the most because the Holomem becomes dependent on others to get a lot more done since they can't directly do it. Adding to that, depending on time zone, it's possible a problem simply can't be addressed for 4-8 hours when someone gets to the office in Japan. Add that up for a couple of years and you get he last results of the last couple of months.

 

[NeneLOVE]

Mumei is a bit on the spectrum. That's basically the answer. Her relationship with her family doesn't seem to come across as bad, just weirdly distant on things. I think she made a grave mistake in not sharing her experiences while in Hololive with them. And she might come to regret that. And I can be fairly confident it's going to be a bigger intra-family drama than she realizes she's caused, because, well, parents.

I know you've been thinking it's issues around those that don't stream much, but I think the bigger issue is they've shed most of the non-JP speakers. All of the remaining members of gens 1 & 2 of "HoloEN" are either fully fluent or passable at Japanese. Advent has 2 of 5 with good JP fluency, but Bijou has moved to Japan and is learning already. Shiori and Nerissa are the types that'll run over the top of people to get things done, so they can manage the environment. With Justice, you have a JP-speaker that's based in Japan already, Gigi will probably figure it out and likely end up there at some point, Liz is older and already used to the grind of things. Cici is the odd one out, but she has Kiara to leverage and push through things.

In terms of friction, adding layers of people to translate concerns/issues/problems/solutions adds up the most because the Holomem becomes dependent on others to get a lot more done since they can't directly do it. Adding to that, depending on time zone, it's possible a problem simply can't be addressed for 4-8 hours when someone gets to the office in Japan. Add that up for a couple of years and you get he last results of the last couple of months.

That's an idea but at the end of the day I maintain that none of these grads are just because of "one thing", getting somebody to leave is going to be a mix of grievances, burnout, their own mental and physical health, their plans for the future and aspirations/goals in life. All of it matters, trying to boil it down to one thing is dumb and childish. These are adult women and this is a job, there is no reason to look at it as anything else.

 

[La+ de Central Norte]

Mumei is a bit on the spectrum. That's basically the answer. Her relationship with her family doesn't seem to come across as bad, just weirdly distant on things. I think she made a grave mistake in not sharing her experiences while in Hololive with them. And she might come to regret that. And I can be fairly confident it's going to be a bigger intra-family drama than she realizes she's caused, because, well, parents.

I know you've been thinking it's issues around those that don't stream much, but I think the bigger issue is they've shed most of the non-JP speakers. All of the remaining members of gens 1 & 2 of "HoloEN" are either fully fluent or passable at Japanese. Advent has 2 of 5 with good JP fluency, but Bijou has moved to Japan and is learning already. Shiori and Nerissa are the types that'll run over the top of people to get things done, so they can manage the environment. With Justice, you have a JP-speaker that's based in Japan already, Gigi will probably figure it out and likely end up there at some point, Liz is older and already used to the grind of things. Cici is the odd one out, but she has Kiara to leverage and push through things.

In terms of friction, adding layers of people to translate concerns/issues/problems/solutions adds up the most because the Holomem becomes dependent on others to get a lot more done since they can't directly do it. Adding to that, depending on time zone, it's possible a problem simply can't be addressed for 4-8 hours when someone gets to the office in Japan. Add that up for a couple of years and you get he last results of the last couple of months.

already works for another Japanese Company and its a spy

 

[Smelliest007]

That's an idea but at the end of the day I maintain that these grads are because of "one thing," a man.

I think I'll pass on the Mumei 3D grad; not feeling the best today.

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

I do think we'll probably get a hilarious OpSec breach when one of them gets married and some family member screws up.

 

[NeneLOVE]

when one of them gets married

 

[Aka Split]

That's an idea but at the end of the day I maintain that none of these grads are just because of "one thing", getting somebody to leave is going to be a mix of grievances, burnout, their own mental and physical health, their plans for the future and aspirations/goals in life. All of it matters, trying to boil it down to one thing is dumb and childish. These are adult women and this is a job, there is no reason to look at it as anything else.

I don't think anyone is saying it's "one thing".
I mean, there's whole lists of ways that Cover has screwed up, that's already a lot more things than 'one'. Then there's also the language barrier which has a multiplier effect, and Mumei's own autism is another multiplier, and the cough is another.

Take the anime trope where there's a season-long arc that consists of a problem which could be easily solved if the characters just talked to each other for 5 minutes. Now imagine those characters don't speak the same language. Now make both characters autistic on top of that.
Every layer adds a new difficulty and it all compounds.

Even just taking her two reasons at face value: Disagreements with management and health. I'm pretty sure she explicitly said that if it was JUST health she could deal with it and keep going, and then I think we can infer from there that if it was JUST management problems she probably also could have kept going (it would still suck to be told, "Hey those voicelines and paperwork we said you had a month to do? We actually need them next week", but if she didn't have the stress from her throat making that more difficult, it would be tolerable). But combine everything and it's too much.

 

[NeneLOVE]

I don't think anyone is saying it's "one thing".
I mean, there's whole lists of ways that Cover has screwed up, that's already a lot more things than 'one'. Then there's also the language barrier which has a multiplier effect, and Mumei's own autism is another multiplier, and the cough is another.

Take the anime trope where there's a season-long arc that consists of a problem which could be easily solved if the characters just talked to each other for 5 minutes. Now imagine those characters don't speak the same language. Now make both characters autistic on top of that.
Every layer adds a new difficulty and it all compounds.

Even just taking her two reasons at face value: Disagreements with management and health. I'm pretty sure she explicitly said that if it was JUST health she could deal with it and keep going, and then I think we can infer from there that if it was JUST management problems she probably also could have kept going (it would still suck to be told, "Hey those voicelines and paperwork we said you had a month to do? We actually need them next week", but if she didn't have the stress from her throat making that more difficult, it would be tolerable). But combine everything and it's too much.

Irys will graduate next.