General Vtuber Discussion (V1)

[DaddyChill]

Been said before but I'll say it again, fuck vague posting. All that shit does is breed rrats. Cover either keep that shit behind closed doors or say exactly why he's being punished.

Vesper jokes all the time saying he's going to get bonked, but he loves the job more then anything to actually do anything stupid enough to get him in serious trouble. Whatever he did must've most likely been accidental and cover is just being fucking stupid and over punishing.

 

[Aka Split]

This is why I say this whole vaguepost is retarded. Their is no real punishment more then just a normal hiatus unless we know more about what happened and have a reason to think Vesper really did anything notably wrong that the public agrees with, especially as Vesper is kind of the most well liked member of Tempus as a whole given his superchat revenue is always the highest.

It just invites speculation from "Vesper just did a funny heehee haahaa bonkbonk" to "Vesper sexually harassed a holowoman, I can believe that because: ." type of shit. It just doesn't look like a good look for anyone, and it feels like their is a better way to handle this if your goal is to avoid stuff like that.

I did find this rrat on reddit and this might actually have some chance of being true depending on how the Zomboid server is set up.

"The suspension is due to the Zomboid server he's hosting. When it was first introduced, he talked about how he paid for it himself to set a server up. "Season 3" of Zomboid was to include a bunch of people, from his genmates to the HomoJPs to even the EN girls, but also non-Hololive talents like rpr and "a few others". He's not doing anything inappropriate with the boys or girls; he shits on management a lot but he genuinely loves his job, and he CONSTANTLY thinks up and writes down new jokes and bits he could do to make his fans laugh. Most likely what happened is he invited new non-Holo streamers to his server and gave them the IP without clearing it with management first which lead to this, as he talked about resetting everything and preparing the server "tonight"."

The sexual harassment rrats seem to fall flat on their face; he's talked many times about being a wizard (30+ year old virgin) and that he doesn't regret that lifestyle at all, odds are he's probably closer to asexual than anything else.

The Zomboid thing seems like it could make sense; giving outside people access to a non-official game server that could potentially log personal information. Just trying to think of counter examples in case anything like that has been done before; Kiara's mom has visited the Minecraft server but I think that server is official Cover property, and I can't really think of any other examples?

And I don't think any of these are likely, but just throwing out random stuff that he does differently than others or that have just happened; He has a personal video editor, perhaps he gave the editor access to his account in order to upload said videos? He just came out with some new emotes, maybe they were not cleared by management before he released them? He talked a few times recently about stuff he was ordering and was like, "Oh shoot, I'm not supposed to say when I am ordering this stuff...I am NOT going to order my drawing tablet tonight." (this is basically another small check in his large "I might get bonked for this, oh well" list, but nothing in that list seems like it could warrant 2 weeks)?
I don't think any of those would be the reason, I'm just asking questions.

 

[Unicorn]

RUMAO

 

[RestlessRain]

I've been wondering how bad Phase Connect actually is to work for. I keep on reading rrats about how bad it is, and they make sense, but Pippa has her friends Sleepy and Kirsche applying to work there. If it was actually as bad as everyone thinks, surely Pippa would persuade her friends not to apply?

 

[Fucking YTs]

Fucking with Vesper is clear elder abuse. He should get that nice boy Jimmy McGill to represent him.

The that are being made right now from the believable like the Zomboid server and or emulation, to Kronii being pregnant has really highlighted how dumb vague posting official statements is.

 

[White Stone]

Fucking with Vesper is clear elder abuse. He should get that nice boy Jimmy McGill to represent him.

The that are being made right now from the believable like the Zomboid server and or emulation, to Kronii being pregnant has really highlighted how dumb vague posting official statements is.

Any context about the "emulation" reason? Did he talk about wanting to emulate games on-stream?

 

[Fucking YTs]

Any context about the "emulation" reason? Did he talk about wanting to emulate games on-stream?

Nothing really concrete on my end that I found, I’ve only been awake for 15 minute and it’s just a few of the things I saw mentioned.

 

[Aquatic Novellite]

Any context about the "emulation" reason? Did he talk about wanting to emulate games on-stream?

No, but he has thus far had exactly zero (0) console game streams. Then suddenly a Pokemon challenge stream is announced.

The rrat being that rather than becoming a disgusting console pleb, Vesper would rather just emulate Pokemon.

Which on one hand, would be an incredibly dumbass move on his part, and make the suspension entirely warranted.

On the other hand, it'd also be peak chad move. Nothing could ever hope to top it.

Edit: Though he has, of course, played Mario Party with Mori & co. However, it doesn't appear like he actually streamed his PoV during that collab. At the very least, there's no VOD under livestreams for his channel.

Still, I don't think you can emulate and connect to Nintendo's servers unless you're a wizard, alas.

 

[Aka Split]

Any context about the "emulation" reason? Did he talk about wanting to emulate games on-stream?

I haven't seen every stream to know all times he may have mentioned it, but I do remember someone in chat basically asking if he had pirated/shared games at LAN parties back in the day, and he was like, "Noooo, I'd never do something like that." I mean, obviously the answer was 'yes', but he dodged the question and that's good enough legally, so I can't imagine anything about using emulation would ever slip past him on stream.

No, but he has thus far had exactly zero (0) console game streams.

He has played Switch games before. Mario Party at the very least. And I don't have a switch emulator myself, but I imagine it would have trouble with online games like Mario Party, and especially an online day one launch like with Pokemon.

Edit:

that was before the merge with the JP server and the last time they let in an outsider to a holo server. iirc kiara said something like they change logins and IPs every time a non-holo visits and that's too much work when all servers are connected. So they really seem to care about stuff like that.

And thinking about it even more; if talents renting out servers themselves were allowed, I have to imagine some of the JP and ID girls would have been autistic enough about Rust to just rent their own server when Cover announced the shutdown of the official one. The fact that they didn't lends more credence to the idea that this sort of thing is generally not allowed. So him doing it in the first place was already pushing the envelope, and the outside talents being allowed on may have pushed it over the edge.

 

[gnz]

Kiara's mom has visited the Minecraft server but I think that server is official Cover property, and I can't really think of any other examples?

that was before the merge with the JP server and the last time they let in an outsider to a holo server. iirc kiara said something like they change logins and IPs every time a non-holo visits and that's too much work when all servers are connected. So they really seem to care about stuff like that.

 

[BlueSharkTV]

No, but he has thus far had exactly zero (0) console game streams. Then suddenly a Pokemon challenge stream is announced.

The rrat being that rather than becoming a disgusting console pleb, Vesper would rather just emulate Pokemon.

Which on one hand, would be an incredibly dumbass move on his part, and make the suspension entirely warranted.

On the other hand, it'd also be peak chad move. Nothing could ever hope to top it.

Apparently you can't play online with an emulator.

Also for any sexual misconduct allegations, would the two week suspension be for an ongoing investigation? I'm asking because i don't know how a company would operate on a situation like this.
which reminds me, anyone remembers how they reacted publicly to the mel situation with her manager? i wasn't around when it happened so i don't know.

As for the zomboid server, doesn't aki have the ARK server? why would the zomboid server be more of a concern to management?.

 

[Fucking YTs]

Honestly, as someone who is really into the emulation scene myself and knowing how draconian Nintendo is about it (just a few days ago they dmca’d artwork, not games, off of Steamgriddb).

In the weird world of the Japanese I think his punishment would be much more severe if he was emulating Nintendo.

 

[Big PiPi Energy]

He has played Switch games before. Mario Party at the very least. And I don't have a switch emulator myself, but I imagine it would have trouble with online games like Mario Party, and especially an online day one launch like with Pokemon.

Unless something changed somewhat recently, Ryujinx can only connect to your own Switch through a LAN connection or to other Ryujinx users online. It wouldn't be able to connect to 3 legit Switch users for Pokémon. Unless.....all 4 were emulating it Yuzu doesn't even run Pokemon in any meaningful capacity yet.

I don't believe the Pokémon rrat. If they did anything to even remotely piss off Nintendo, the video would be taken down. It's still there.

Edit: Actually, I know for a fact he isn't emulating. When he names a Pokemon, the Switch keyboard comes up on screen. When you do it on an emulator, an emulator pop up comes up and you put it in using the physical keyboard. So yeah, no emulation from Vespy here.

 

[Scuddle]

Just to make sure everyone is on the exact same page regarding the Japanese statement, I'll break it down for everyone to hopefully steady the speculation ship.

【お知らせ】
「ホロスターズEnglish」所属の「ノワール・ヴェスパー」について、プロダクション内での不適切な言動といった迷惑行為が散見されたため、本日より2週間、謹慎処置として全ての活動を控えさせて頂きます。

事前に告知していた配信等に影響が出る可能性がございますが、ご了承願います

不適切な言動 = inappropriate/improper conduct
迷惑行為 = to bother, to annoy, to inconvenience
散見 = occurring in various places, seen in different places
謹慎処置 = suspension

Because of this, I don't believe emulation is the issue. The Project Zomboid rrat makes more sense as you could say that the misconduct has 'occurred in various places' if he has been inviting people outside the company. It could also be that he's been saying things to people that he shouldn't have been, however private comms outside of management's eyes would probably imply that another/multiple Holo would've had to have made a complaint, which is a bit more sinister and we have no reason to assume that would be the case.

 

[Crush]

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What did Vesper do?

This is so bizarre. Wtf happened? This seems like something that’d happen to Magni, not fucking Vesper

 

[Username Required]

Not sure if related to Vesper's suspension, but at 2:39:56 in Magni's latest Sonic Frontier's stream Vesper types "?!?" in chat. Magni says he forgot to do something for somebody else. He ends the stream shortly after.

From what I can tell less than 30 minutes passed from the ending of the stream until the announcement on Cover's twitter account. Vesper was using his youtube account at least 30 minutes prior to the announcement. He also posted one message earlier in chat.
edit: wait, now i'm seeing some say that Vesper's "?!?" comment happened almost at the same time as the announcement. I only have an estimate of the stream's end time. Does anyone know the exact time it ended? Would this mean vesper wasn't told about his suspension until the announcment?

From this, as a person with no clue as to what they're talking about, the decision to suspend him appears to have been a kneejerk one and might be to assess Vesper's situation.

Timestamped magni stream. Begins after the 2:39:56 mark and skips to when Vesper's comment appears on stream.

 

[masterstocking]

Fucking funky monkey

 

[Piarro]

The sexual harassment rrats seem to fall flat on their face; he's talked many times about being a wizard (30+ year old virgin) and that he doesn't regret that lifestyle at all, odds are he's probably closer to asexual than anything else.

I want to say that he (as Randon) said he was married? Maybe @wew can confirm

 

[Good Ol' Chum]

So this is where you chucklefucks went, good to see you bastards again.

Also, gotta say that this whole thing about Vesper sucks ass. Decision to suspend him was so out of the blue, given that he'd put out a full schedule and was even in the Pokemon Soullink Collab with the Tempus boys earlier.

Altare ain't feeling good about the bullshit either.

 

[Scuddle]

From this, as a person with no clue as to what they're talking about, the decision to suspend him appears to have been a kneejerk one and might be to assess Vesper's situation.

I mean, that or the misconduct was so bad that discussions weren't necessary.

Either way, the rose-tinted glasses are off for all of them now. Magni seems stressed out with the workload and then immediately watched his friend get suspended for breaking rules. These types of things can cause really ugly changes in perception.