General Vtuber Discussion (V1)

[Empty_Inbox]

I decided to check on reddit.

Why are there people assuming that Nousagi is HololiveHistorian's alt? I no geddit

Because it is easy to hate someone if you lump them together with already hated person (who also was involved in revealing keyfabe braking info). And also because his twitter handle is @VTuberHistorian (this is a twitter link)

EDIT for clarity - it is easy to MAKE people hate someone. I doubt those people themselves have problem with low level of hatred.

 

[agility_]

Jesus christ Depressed Nousagi. I've seen convicted murderers in court show less apathy and remorse.

The worst part about all of this is how "empowered" the discord jannies are gonna feel from now on. "We can control it! the flow of information, the narrative". No faggott you do not, you are just a worthless IRC janitor, sad and alone, power-tripping on some made-up nonsense.

 

[That Chuuba Enjoyer]

Just amazes me how he made almost all the mistakes that been learned not to do in the last few years of getting canceled or making a apology video.

What he did really is emboldened these people so next time someone similar to DN does something, the mob know it works and be harder for them to shrug it off.

 

[Tyrvalla]

Have some cute Subaru clip

 

[Crush]

Holy fuck you little bitch. @Depressed Nousagi stop kowtowing and bowing to mental fucking degenerates who will never forgive you anyway. You KNOW how deranged and stupid the vtuber community is from stuff like the Coco incident. Grow a fucking spine and stand up for yourself. Stop acting like a limp-dicked little bitch who cries and begs for forgiveness from people who cum on pictures of Amelia Watson.

I kind of agree, he should've stuck to his guns. Clarified the Patreon stuff and apologized for the Keeki vid. And announced a temporary break.

But I do also think people are being a little too harsh, you have to understand his position. This is someone who is apparently 20 (according to the Pippa interview), getting relentless hate from thousands upon thousands of people for the past few days. Probably a lot of DMs too, since his Twitter DMs are only. He strikes me as a very online person so he's probably also seeing the hate from Twitter, Reddit, and videos; not just his own stuff.

He's definitely never dealt with anything like this before, and is new to internet "fame" so he didn't know how to handle it. He isn't apologizing because he hopes to be forgiving, I think he's doing it because he was guilt-tripped by the community. It's hard to stay sure of yourself when thousands of people say you're wrong. I think you can criticize it, say he shouldn't have let the mob change his mind. I think he should've stayed offline, that could've helped him keep a level-head. But I also think you can't judge him too much, how do you know you wouldn't do what he did if you were in the same situation.

And to the people going at him for crying at the end of the video, give him a break man. He's going through a ton of stress rn and feels something he loved is crumbling before him.

 

[Aliepheese]

Looks like Vox had a man-hera moment during his last ASMR RP thing

Spoiler: Tweet and archive

archive.ph

The VoD was deleted but the tweet for it was still up

Spoiler: Deleted VoD Tweet

archive.ph

With how often he seems to have problem with doing this live and how much it gets to him I honestly believe he should just go the prerecorded with this, most people who do erotic ASMR and the like prefer to prerecord and with such a large audience I doubt direct chat interaction affect the end product to much, and he seems to be a perfectionist when it comes to his ASMR much like Fauna so I don't think live-streamed ASMR will ever be the quality he seems to aim for.

edit: also WTF i just check and that tweet has 4k fucking responses to it, I know he is popular but jesus the amount the engagement he gets in his social media is insane.

edit2: My 2 cent on DN drama:
is crazy we are having prolly the largest amount of post ever in this thread about drama of some dude is not technically a vtuber, like understand people prolly care because he is kinda of a /here/ guy but honestly this is a story as old as time, I really cant wrap my head in what universe he thought making PL videos was not gonna get him cancelled pay-walled or not, the same lvl of naivety that has some chubas believe their membership is some kinda of sacred temple no information can escape, is he wanted to stay "mainstream" he shouldn't had done those videos, is he didn't care he wouldn't be groveling for forgiveness, he wanted to have his cake and eat it too, ultimately I don't watch the dude content so I doesn't affect me and this will be forgotten about in a week just another youtber cancelled because he wanted to play both sides most people will move on from him and he doesn't affect the vtubers themselves at all so whatever.

I see many people complaining about people caring about the content of the videos and it being harmless or not, point is he knew the rules or the vtuber community outside of place like this, no matter if they are retarded or not, and he decide to try an game the system or was to stupid to realize what he was doing.

 

[Hff201]

And to the people going at him for crying at the end of the video, give him a break man. He's going through a ton of stress rn and feels something he loved is crumbling before him.

I'm not ripping into him for being upset, I'm ripping into him for making the conscious decision to upload a video of him crying. There was nothing stopping him from taking a few moments to calm down then rerecording that part.

Often when making a statement about something important what people will take away isn't what you said, but how you said it. If he cleared up the misinformation and explained himself with a level head this would have blown over within a couple of weeks and people who were previously on the fence or thought poorly of him from misunderstandings might've came around to his side; by instead publishing an emotionally-charged response like this he's signalling to the shitstirrers that they've won while burning down his dream job in the process.

 

[PekoWick]

Looks like Vox had a man-hera moment during his last ASMR RP thing

Spoiler: Tweet and archive

archive.ph

The VoD was deleted but the tweet for it was still up

Spoiler: Deleted VoD Tweet

archive.ph

How??? WTF is this dude.

 

[Ensok]

Kiara karaoke coming up in about an hour, just in time for me to watch it on my lunchbreak. Good timing for once.

Sure feels good to not care about drama too.

 

[lvl8]

This is how it should have ended...

 

[Punished Anime Discusser]

And to the people going at him for crying at the end of the video, give him a break man. He's going through a ton of stress rn and feels something he loved is crumbling before him.

I really do think his only initial wrongdoing in this whole thing was uploading the Keeki clip, everything else was perfectly fine. But it's hard to feel bad for him when he handled the actual cancellation terribly, and made the absolute worst choice at every given opportunity.

Funny how I find myself repeating this whenever some drama rocks the vtuber community, but all the person at the center of the drama had to do was shut the fuck up and make their content, and this all would've blown over in a week.

 

[Kalion]

Today is former Tsunderia vtuber Orla Gan Ceann's last stream. She announced this yesterday.

 

[Todd's Strongest Howard]

And to the people going at him for crying at the end of the video, give him a break man. He's going through a ton of stress rn and feels something he loved is crumbling before him.

Tough shit.

 

[Latte'Ninba]

Jesus fuck that was a lotta shit to catch up on.
I can't say I was super into his stuff but I could toss it on to play or whatever. DN just dying over it is a bit of a shame since passionate people who (well previously weren't*) massive retarded spergs about it are nice to have around. Even if the videos were mostly useless to people like us who already keep tabs on such random shit and do curiousity searches.
Still for someone who skimmed around here and iirc the homeland a bit, he should have known that the best thing he could have done for himself was just give them nothing, be quiet for a while and let it blow over. Another one bites the dust I guess.

I have prepared a prototype.

View attachment 5252

I'm a bit late but Nolan currency should be worth Op-secs because even if you have a lot of Nolans, you'll still have no op-sec.

So about 2 hr 45 minute into her fishing stream Shiina discussed some stuff about her own parasocialism and that led to discussing the "limited interaction" drama going on.

She didn't say much about it for not wanting to cause problems for Tenma or anyone else but clarified it wouldn't be an issue for her or her community - which is great since her interactions with her community do seem a lot, um, healthier than some of the other PC girls... But holy shit yeah she just confirmed what we already knew, fishman and PC management are putting new and different rules that dictate how much the talent can interact with community and in what ways.

Fishman you idiot do you not realize that their interaction is why PC enjoys such a loyal fan base? Phase probably has  the most loyal fanbase I've seen. Holo has armies of simps but I feel like that meta community goes from one to another favorite and Hololive is a large company so their parasocial feels are spread over a larger target.
Phase Connect might not have as many whales throwing red supas every minute or so but they have a very loyal audience of people who tend to pick one or two of the streamers as favorites yet support all the rest as a group. Longevity of any company requires loyal fans.
And it's really weird that Tenma seems to have been one of them targeted. The only explanation I can think of is that it was some dumbass attempt at a persuasion/coercion move by fish to show her who's boss after the drama with Pippa and people speculating that if Pippa was driven out Tenma would leave.
I hope fishman learns to stop fucking with the sad girls. Pippa and Tenma especially have seemingly each found their own innovative ways to grow, Pippa keeps drawing in more and more people from various communities while Tenma has been gaining more appeal on channels like Nagzz, and they both have extremely loyal spergs who turn up in numbers for them. Leave them alone and let them grow!

Him trying to wrangle them in these potentially weird fucking ways is ridiculous at this point. And considering the draws Tenma and Pippa have been getting and growing with, that's a lot of potential people who might ditch just from becoming aquainted through that. Tenma is making rounds with people who hit numbers Phase wouldn't even have considered possible and he's trying to fuck with her, her fanbase, and what she's able to do without being hassled. Fish needs to get the fuck over himself. Pretty sure I've said it before but anytime something happens it really just makes the entire thing look like a reminder that PC is doing well despite him, not because of him. He should really hire another manager or 3, and shut up and focus on his merch deals and such.

As an aside, him fucking with Tenma's community stuff in particular is some huge levels of faggotry, because the girl arguably has one of or the most interactive and mostly wholesome community interactions I know of. Sure, she and the audience fling shit back and forth at each other for giggles, embracing the toxicity and being assholes for fun. Tenma loves it and the pure joy this girl has during things like the TF2 community streams is so good. Even as a viewer who could be joining but hasn't it's a mood maker.
Fishman poking and prodding at that is going to get old fast, and is only going to lead to bigger pushbacks than the one he ALREADY relented to once or twice as is. He should really consider not doing this dumbass dancing back and forth over lines to see who will put up with what. Letting the talents do their thing was already growing you past any expectations you even had in the first place. Stop trynig to fuck it up.

 

[DelusionTree]

I wish I had that clip from Dick Masterson about being the heel, how you have to want to make people angry at you every day, enjoying their hatred and seething, and how most people aren't cut out for it.
Depressed Nousagi should have realized a ton of unicorns and holosimps would be fucking livid with his content, crying about being hated now is pretty pathetic and will only encourage them too attack harder.

Never apologize, never back down from a canceling mob.

 

[masterstocking]

I wanted to be on Nousagi's side here since the narrative was exaggerated bullshit, but holy fuck dude why would you ever upload a video where you're crying like that? Compose yourself and rerecord it.

You should never apologise to an unruly mob in the first place, but this is just an embarrassing display.

He took the Uruha Rushia route of dealing with drama by panicking and doing something both inadvisable and irreversible: he bowed to pressure, which is exactly what his detractors wanted. Probably figured 'crying' would mean 'sincere apology', when the Tweddit mob sees it as both weakness and a victory.

 

[Realticule]

I really do think his only initial wrongdoing in this whole thing was uploading the Keeki clip, everything else was perfectly fine. But it's hard to feel bad for him when he handled the actual cancellation terribly, and made the absolute worst choice at every given opportunity.

Funny how I find myself repeating this whenever some drama rocks the vtuber community, but all the person at the center of the drama had to do was shut the fuck up and make their content, and this all would've blown over in a week.

I wouldn't even have gone that far, considering the Keeki clip was for context of a different video and while you can call it in poor taste, it's still an archive of events that happened.

The way he handled it though was exceptionally stupid, especially since there were communities willing to stand by him.

I wish I had that clip from Dick Masterson about being the heel, how you have to want to make people angry at you every day, enjoying their hatred and seething, and how most people aren't cut out for it.
Depressed Nousagi should have realized a ton of unicorns and holosimps would be fucking livid with his content, crying about being hated now is pretty pathetic and will only encourage them too attack harder.

Never apologize, never back down from a canceling mob.

Dax probably took it too far with the whole cuties thing, but yea that's a common thing, the haters do more to promote your content than the simps. There's a Magic the Gathering finance guy named Rudy who would always thank his haters on Reddit because every time he'd make a video they'd spread it everywhere to point out every error he made and to call him stupid. He went on to turn that into a business where he not only makes youtube content but also sells product he covers directly, with him now having official cards featuring his likeness in games like Flesh and Blood as well as Meta Zoo. A lot of the deals he makes with distributors to supply product to his patrons are north of a million dollars.

When he started the channel, he had fucked up hard in investing in bonds and was on the verge of bankruptcy.

 

[God's Strongest Mozumite]

Dorky beastwoman playing some more Harvester

It's not her trying to keep her dignity. She's keeping her thirsty fans from bleeding away by not showing everything. The moment she goes full hardcore then people will have seen everything, and that means there's no more mystery to entice them with. It happens almost every time, and the less devoted fans will lose interest after seeing you enough times. She needs to hold onto the nude and hardcore stuff until she needs a boost, and then she can do all kinds of shit with that new tier unlocked that will keep the money rolling in for a while longer.

Good point. I underestimate the camwhore meta.

Looks like Vox had a man-hera moment during his last ASMR RP thing

Spoiler: Tweet and archive

archive.ph

The VoD was deleted but the tweet for it was still up

Spoiler: Deleted VoD Tweet

archive.ph

Does anyone have the VOD / can explain what exactly set him off (this time)? Was it something actually substantial or just a menhera moment?

 

[Fucking YTs]

All this over vtubers and a few yt bux.

Toughen up faggots.

 

[Aka Split]

Also, even before the apology Video™, at least what could see on twitter was the mentality shifting a bit from "its doxxing and forbidden to talk about Roommate content" to "he shouldn't have linked and reuploaded the video of Keeki almost getting assaulted", which is something I'd agree with.

Reading twitter, and holy frick people are retarded. "I'm totally ok with talking about past lives, but man I don't agree with doxxing, F him!" Pray-tell, how do you define doxxing? Because I don't think you know what is going on here.
I am in the Revelation 22:20 stage of life; hurry up Jesus, I cannot put up with these people. *Insert 'Giant Meteor 2024' meme here*

And about the paywall stuff: so freaking what? He compiled a lot of information into a shorter easily digestible format so you don't have to spend hours googling yourself (but not really google, because Google will not show search results for the sites you will need to look at). Who cares if he charges for what essentially boils down to research and editing?

And for yourself, I already posted the context of the Keeki video. It wasn't "Here's a video of a girl almost getting raped, have fun!", it was, "I'm talking about this when going over the history of this person, the video is over there as a reference." https://thevirtualasylum.xenforo.cloud/threads/general-vtuber-discussion.1/post-15927
If that upsets anyone, you'd better take up the issue with anyone who ever linked it on KF or here to archive it.