General Vtuber Discussion (V1)

[furaibou]

I'd like to point out today is the 10th anniversary of GamerGate, in which a bunch of people told the proto-Woke gamer press to go fuck themselves.

That is all.

 

[Nenélove]

I'm curious. Why do some people here hate Twitch when it comes to watching vtubers? Is it just because they hate Twitch as a company, or because of their UI, or something else?

I ask because I'm kind of a convert to Twitch. It is an objectively awful platform when it comes to business practices, moderation, etc. But I like it for how it lets you feel an active part of the stream instead of a passive observer. I find watching vtubers on Youtube to be a lot duller than on Twitch. I'm not saying Twitch is better; they're equally bad in different ways, just that I'm surprised how quickly Twitch features have become an almost indispensable part of my watching experience that I feel deprived of on Youtube.

My respect for you has taken a dip like an angsty teen jumping off a bridge.

 

[Punished Anime Discusser]

I'd like to point out today is the 10th anniversary of GamerGate, in which a bunch of people told the proto-Woke gamer press to go fuck themselves.

That is all.

It gets more relevant by the day.

 

[furaibou]

It gets more relevant by the day.

Well, tomorrow is the Ides of Pride, after all.

 

[God's Strongest Mozumite]

I'm curious. Why do some people here hate Twitch when it comes to watching vtubers? Is it just because they hate Twitch as a company, or because of their UI, or something else?

I ask because I'm kind of a convert to Twitch. It is an objectively awful platform when it comes to business practices, moderation, etc. But I like it for how it lets you feel an active part of the stream instead of a passive observer. I find watching vtubers on Youtube to be a lot duller than on Twitch. I'm not saying Twitch is better; they're equally bad in different ways, just that I'm surprised how quickly Twitch features have become an almost indispensable part of my watching experience that I feel deprived of on Youtube.

Twitch ads make the site fucking unusable unless you're on desktop with the twitch adblocker (that one specifically because twitch ads are so aids nothing else works) or just get extremely lucky. That's the main crux of my ire, all the other bad things about Twitch are technically also true about Youtube but in different ways. Twitch is probably better for the chatter but I'm a lurker for the most part so shit like hype trains and stuff just clutter the chat and make things really ugly. That said, it's kind of a goldmine for melanated vtubers so it has that going for it

 

[Limkin]

I'm curious. Why do some people here hate Twitch when it comes to watching vtubers? Is it just because they hate Twitch as a company, or because of their UI, or something else?

I ask because I'm kind of a convert to Twitch. It is an objectively awful platform when it comes to business practices, moderation, etc. But I like it for how it lets you feel an active part of the stream instead of a passive observer. I find watching vtubers on Youtube to be a lot duller than on Twitch. I'm not saying Twitch is better; they're equally bad in different ways, just that I'm surprised how quickly Twitch features have become an almost indispensable part of my watching experience that I feel deprived of on Youtube.

For me it's irrelevant to vtubers. The video player on twitch is one of the worst in the industry, rivaled maybe only by crunchyroll. If your internet has even minor hiccups it self-explodes, it really likes to try multiple different resolutions at once, which results in it thinking you have shitty bandwith and switching to lowest resolution. It consistently buffers equally badly on 144p as on 1080p. Mid-stream ads are what finally pushed me off the platform back in the days when YT started to roll out the streaming, nothing on the ads is ever sold where I live therefore they are irrelevant to me and serve no purpose for advertiser, while pissing me off tremendously. Don't you like it when you watch moba, streamer gets into a team fight and entire fight is interrupted by an ad and you miss it entirely? Such a great viewing experience am I right? Then there is also chat culture, or rather lack thereof where people spam the same messages like mindless drones. The actual features that twich has related to chat are great, but I always felt they were not meant for huge chats or for streamer focused experience. For better or for worse, twich is streamer interacting with chat culture, where YT is watching a video and the fact that it's live is very secondary. Channel points with redeems, games including chat interaction to spawn monsters or help streamer, notifications are all something that on a technical level are impressive but I personally dislike

 

[Speech To Text]

I'm curious. Why do some people here hate Twitch when it comes to watching vtubers? Is it just because they hate Twitch as a company, or because of their UI, or something else?

I ask because I'm kind of a convert to Twitch. It is an objectively awful platform when it comes to business practices, moderation, etc. But I like it for how it lets you feel an active part of the stream instead of a passive observer. I find watching vtubers on Youtube to be a lot duller than on Twitch. I'm not saying Twitch is better; they're equally bad in different ways, just that I'm surprised how quickly Twitch features have become an almost indispensable part of my watching experience that I feel deprived of on Youtube.

I like Twitch more than Youtube for streams, but the main issues I have with Twitch are no rewind feature and the constant attempts to kill adblockers to push Turbo. The main adblockers do usually get updated within 48 hours and you can just VPN to a country that doesn't have ads, but if you don't do that then you get up to 8 15+ second ads right after clicking on a stream. It really hurts the desire to check out new streams whenever the adblockers are down.

The chat experience is just so much better than Youtube though. Emotes are better and more people use the 3rd party apps, channel points can be used for interesting things depending on the streamer, and personally I feel like the chat on Twitch is more lively than Youtube.

 

[Ｍｕｒｒａｙしないで]

I'm curious. Why do some people here hate Twitch when it comes to watching vtubers? Is it just because they hate Twitch as a company, or because of their UI, or something else?

I ask because I'm kind of a convert to Twitch. It is an objectively awful platform when it comes to business practices, moderation, etc. But I like it for how it lets you feel an active part of the stream instead of a passive observer. I find watching vtubers on Youtube to be a lot duller than on Twitch. I'm not saying Twitch is better; they're equally bad in different ways, just that I'm surprised how quickly Twitch features have become an almost indispensable part of my watching experience that I feel deprived of on Youtube.

Obnoxious ads, overpoliticized culture, shitty monetization, uneven rules and discipline enforcement, softcore pornography on a site with a large userbase of children. Please watch my scheduled Twitch streams three times a week.

I'd like to point out today is the 10th anniversary of GamerGate, in which a bunch of people told the proto-Woke gamer press to go fuck themselves.

That is all.

By what metric? The Zoe Post and the coining of #GamerGate was in August 2014.

 

[Johnny Jambalaya]

I'd like to point out today is the 10th anniversary of GamerGate, in which a bunch of people told the proto-Woke gamer press to go fuck themselves.

That is all.

what does this have to do with vtubers

 

[Porean]

what does this have to do with vtubers

 

[agility_]

I wish gamergate and everyone involved in its aftermath would disappear. Just vanish off the universe. The grifters, the professional victims, the journos, le epic 4chan memekangz. I really, really fucking wish this would happen.

 

[furaibou]

what does this have to do with vtubers

Well, we lost several VTubers due to the current wokeness in the gaming industry (you know, the Wizard game) which stems from Gamergate. I think you can make the connection.

Also, correction, it's the 9th year after Gamergate, not 10th. My bad. Don't judge me during PRIDE MONTH! HATERS!

 

[Porean]

I wish gamergate and everyone involved in its aftermath would disappear. Just vanish off the universe. The grifters, the professional victims, the journos, le epic 4chan memekangz. I really, really fucking wish this would happen.

Bros we just need to get YAGOO to tweet #gamergate2 it will work this time : (((( pls donate to my entropy

 

[Johnny Jambalaya]

Well, we lost several VTubers due to the current wokeness in the gaming industry (you know, the Wizard game) which stems from Gamergate. I think you can make the connection.

Also, correction, it's the 9th year after Gamergate, not 10th. My bad. Don't judge me during PRIDE MONTH! HATERS!

You can continue discussion about Gamergate here:

http://kiwifarmsaaf4t2h7gc3dfc5ojhmqruw2nit3uejrpiagrxeuxiyxcyd.onion/

 

[Hff201]

I'm curious. Why do some people here hate Twitch when it comes to watching vtubers? Is it just because they hate Twitch as a company, or because of their UI, or something else?

I ask because I'm kind of a convert to Twitch. It is an objectively awful platform when it comes to business practices, moderation, etc. But I like it for how it lets you feel an active part of the stream instead of a passive observer. I find watching vtubers on Youtube to be a lot duller than on Twitch. I'm not saying Twitch is better; they're equally bad in different ways, just that I'm surprised how quickly Twitch features have become an almost indispensable part of my watching experience that I feel deprived of on Youtube.

A and B, though the culture on Twitch is also a factor as even if the vtuber themselves isn't balls deep in it, the random viewers who show up and make themselves known are. It's very hard to escape it; on YouTube it feels like each streamer establishes the tone of their stream and community, while Twitch has much more overlap from the raid culture, shared emotes, and influence from the most popular streamers on the platform. Memes, emote spam etc. are a baked-in part of the Twitch experience, and if you find that annoying you're going to have a bad time.

Viewers feeling like an active part of the stream is a double-edged sword as for every chatter who brings up an interesting topic of conversation there are twenty more who are the most obnoxious cunts on the planet and will attention-whore relentlessly to hear the streamer say their name; and the default features on the site like redeemed messages and hype train incentives enable this. It's a chicken or egg situation as to whether these tools created this culture or are a response to it, but if I'm watching a stream I'm more interested in the streamer than random fags in chat.

The adblock arms race is also a huge issue these days. Sure, you can play cat-and-mouse and grab whichever browser extension is the one that's working this month, but you really shouldn't have to; and even if you usually wouldn't mind sitting through ads, the ad placements are much more intrusive since Twitch forces ads at set intervals if the streamer hasn't manually ran an ad break in a while, as opposed to YouTube where you just see one when you first open the page and then you can watch the stream uninterrupted.

 

[furaibou]

I wish gamergate and everyone involved in its aftermath would disappear. Just vanish off the universe. The grifters, the professional victims, the journos, le epic 4chan memekangz. I really, really fucking wish this would happen.

Wish in one hand, shit in the other. Guess which gets filled first?

 

[The Proctor]

I heard a lot of people complain about ads on twitch, but that seems to be location dependent.
I NEVER get ads. Not on desktop, not on mobile.

Same here. Only time I ever get ads is when I try and watch a Twitch stream as an embed here/elsewhere. Brave + uBlock Origin, for reference.

The Twitch viewer experience/chat interaction is much better IMO, but almost everything else is objectively worse. ESPECIALLY their video player/VOD system. And IMO, it'll be much easier for Youtube to fix their viewer experience issues rather than Twitch to fix their video player.....and everything else.

This is fair. Though I'm often tabbed out when listening to people like Kirsche, so the video player issues are somewhat mitigated.

Twitch ads make the site fucking unusable unless you're on desktop with the twitch adblocker (that one specifically because twitch ads are so aids nothing else works) or just get extremely lucky. That's the main crux of my ire, all the other bad things about Twitch are technically also true about Youtube but in different ways. Twitch is probably better for the chatter but I'm a lurker for the most part so shit like hype trains and stuff just clutter the chat and make things really ugly.

The clutter helps my ADHD have something cute and visual to focus on and keeps me from drifting away.

-Snip for length.-

I have noticed that Twitch's player is really shit. I can tolerate it because I treat vtubers much more like an interactive radio show than anything else, but I completely get how annoying it is to have to set it to 144p every few streams because for some bizarre reason it just crashes on anything higher. As for chat culture; I see just as bad on Youtube chat. Anything over 6-700 CCV is unreadable spam no matter where you go.

I like Twitch more than Youtube for streams, but the main issues I have with Twitch are no rewind feature and the constant attempts to kill adblockers to push Turbo. The main adblockers do usually get updated within 48 hours and you can just VPN to a country that doesn't have ads, but if you don't do that then you get up to 8 15+ second ads right after clicking on a stream. It really hurts the desire to check out new streams whenever the adblockers are down.

The chat experience is just so much better than Youtube though. Emotes are better and more people use the 3rd party apps, channel points can be used for interesting things depending on the streamer, and personally I feel like the chat on Twitch is more lively than Youtube.

Can relate. I DO hate that I can't rewind the content, but it's less of an issue with people like Kirsche because I'm either tabbed out or I want to be Live so that I can keep up with the insanity in real time.

 

[Porean]

Wish in one hand, shit in the other. Guess which gets filled first?

How are you this ass-chafed about goober googles in the year of our lord 2023? Is this a Mundane Matt alt? Go push a boulder dude

 

[La+ de Central Norte]

The only thing i hate of TW its that VODS get destroyed after some time
So i lost some Lapu Chan Valo streams

LOVE

 

[Kalion]

The thing I hate most about YouTube is the children in chat. I know this isn't a problem in huge chats when you can't even read them, but when watching or modding for a 2view, there's always a fucking slew of (Firstname) (Lastname) username literal 8-14 year old users blogposting in the chat and generally demanding the streamer's attention.