General Vtuber Discussion (V1)

[Scoots]

Rie is reputed to be a lolicon herself (though I don't know how far that actually goes as I haven't watched much of her content).

Iirc Rie is a shotacon as that is what her launch codes she laid in a couple of streams lead to

Other than that these are all good points

My rrat is its the right leaning content he wants to try and dissociate PC from as much as Pippa will let him

 

[Hff201]

How is it that phase connect is trying to not be "yabai" if these models and personalities are what is being put forth in phase 2? How is pedo-baiting ok but cracking jokes at evil people's expense isn't?

We're more sensitive to loli stuff because of the controversy back home, but I get the feeling the mass market (well, as mass market-adjacent as anime can be) don't really think too deep into it. Remi and Shiina's designs raise an eyebrow to us but they're no more provocative than some of the anime on Crunchyroll etc., and they're multi-million dollar companies with all kinds of business partnerships.

Internet drama content can't disappear into the crowd as easily, since the mainstream media and internet personalities have made sure that the least charitable interpretation of every community that discusses it becomes the official story (even if it's a flat-out lie), so even acknowledging The Hacker Known as 4chan or the forum that literally kills transgender people in another context is a faux pas.

I'm glad that Pippa and Lumi are standing their ground about the content they want to cover on stream though I can understand why recent developments have scared Sakana into wanting to wrangle the community into at least hiding their power level a bit better. The kinds of people who might start shit over Phase's reputation as the "based" corpo wouldn't stop at getting a video taken down or a channel banned or whatever; they're nasty, malicious people who want to hurt anyone in the radius of a person or company they see as a target. What they did to Josh was the canary in the coal mine for that, and they got away with it. It makes sense to want to lie low in the areas these people are watching.

 

[Mumberthrax]

We're more sensitive to loli stuff because of the controversy back home, but I get the feeling the mass market (well, as mass market-adjacent as anime can be) don't really think too deep into it. Remi and Shiina's designs raise an eyebrow to us but they're no more provocative than some of the anime on Crunchyroll etc., and they're multi-million dollar companies with all kinds of business partnerships.

I'm relatively new to this community, having only lurked actively for several months, so my aversion to sexualization of children or child-like characters is not a result of being groomed into that by Josh. Maybe its because I'm not really an anime person, but does vshojo even have a sexualized loli that talks in a baby voice and plays up her stupidity while making blowjob sounds on asmr videos? I pretty much just watch hololive clips and pippa streams so maybe I'm just fucking oblivious if that's the case.

 

[Hff201]

I'm relatively new to this community, having only lurked actively for several months, so my aversion to sexualization of children or child-like characters is not a result of being groomed into that by Josh. Maybe its because I'm not really an anime person, but does vshojo even have a sexualized loli that talks in a baby voice and plays up her stupidity while making blowjob sounds on asmr videos? I pretty much just watch hololive clips and pippa streams so maybe I'm just fucking oblivious if that's the case.

There's Nyanners if you want a deep rabbit hole to dive into, but the tl;dr is she made loli content years ago, disavowed it not out of genuine regret but just to virtue-signal, but now is a vtuber with a young-ish character model who talks in a high-pitched voice and makes sex jokes on stream. Hypocritically trying to play both sides I guess.

 

[TwoBit]

I'm relatively new to this community, having only lurked actively for several months, so my aversion to sexualization of children or child-like characters is not a result of being groomed into that by Josh. Maybe its because I'm not really an anime person, but does vshojo even have a sexualized loli that talks in a baby voice and plays up her stupidity while making blowjob sounds on asmr videos? I pretty much just watch hololive clips and pippa streams so maybe I'm just fucking oblivious if that's the case.

I guess the closest would be Amemiya Nezuna aka MikeNeko aka Uruha Rushia. I really haven't paid much attention to her character since her debut in Vshojo. But she delved strongly into the GFE type of streams in the past. Even crossing parasocial boundaries. I don't believe she ever made blowjob or lollipop sucking asmr content though. But given her model both in Hololive and now Vshojo, it can be a bit eyebrow raising if you're not familiar with anime culture. Both of her models were small, flat chested, with a young sounding voice.

 

[uquusquad]

My rrat is its the right leaning content he wants to try and dissociate PC from as much as Pippa will let him

vtuber corpos can actively cater to lolicons and insane creeps without any issues and are in fact financially rewarded for it, but anything "right leaning" (basically anything edgy) is a business risk and can get you canceled. At this point you just have to laugh at the absurdity of it all.

 

[gregeoryL]

 

[RestlessRain]

It's Mental Illness Awareness Week this week. I wonder what Phase Connect is doing to recognize the week.

 

[Realticule]

It is a long running joke, but I actively believe that Tenma would tell him to fuck off if she thought he was going too far. Pippa will push back too but I think she would be more cordial about it. Tenma always struck me as the type where sure, if you respect her and work with her you probably have her loyalty against anything. If you fuck that up though you're probably lucky you aren't in the same room lol.
Though I do wonder if she would jump ship with Pippa or not, they've been buddies since before PC. Would probably come down to whether or not she felt like Pippa got fucked over and if it might hassle her as well.

That's just my read on it though.

I think at the very least if Pippa left Tenma and Lumi would be looking to leave as well if it due to content disputes. Not just because they'd be loyal to Pippa or whatever, but both of them have edgier content that would probably be in danger once the Pipnary in the company is gone. It would probably also be in both Phase's and their best interest at that point for a cleaner break that doesn't create any bad blood by trying to force things one way or the other.

 

[paul]

What? No way. Her new model is way more expressive and fun.

For me the new design leans too much into coomerbait territory. The jiggle physics were there before but the new design as a whole doesn't appeal to me.

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In case you are also wondering why there are so much art of holo girls in certain outfits: Iofi started #HOLOctober and draws different members in different outfits every day. So far she drew:
day 1: Cali as a nun
day 2: Koyori as a nurse
day 3: Susei as a ballerina
There are some great pieces out there (especially for day 2)

Spoiler: art

 

[Latte'Ninba]

We're more sensitive to loli stuff because of the controversy back home, but I get the feeling the mass market (well, as mass market-adjacent as anime can be) don't really think too deep into it. Remi and Shiina's designs raise an eyebrow to us but they're no more provocative than some of the anime on Crunchyroll etc., and they're multi-million dollar companies with all kinds of business partnerships.

Internet drama content can't disappear into the crowd as easily, since the mainstream media and internet personalities have made sure that the least charitable interpretation of every community that discusses it becomes the official story (even if it's a flat-out lie), so even acknowledging The Hacker Known as 4chan or the forum that literally kills transgender people in another context is a faux pas.

I'm glad that Pippa and Lumi are standing their ground about the content they want to cover on stream though I can understand why recent developments have scared Sakana into wanting to wrangle the community into at least hiding their power level a bit better. The kinds of people who might start shit over Phase's reputation as the "based" corpo wouldn't stop at getting a video taken down or a channel banned or whatever; they're nasty, malicious people who want to hurt anyone in the radius of a person or company they see as a target. What they did to Josh was the canary in the coal mine for that, and they got away with it. It makes sense to want to lie low in the areas these people are watching.

I admit I'm not typically in the camp of being sensitive over loli, but having started off at the farms I did end up adopting a "Well even if I personally don't think it's too much, I'd better take a moment to think if the site owner does." Which I just carry over here.
It's definitely true that the vtuber anime girls, well, just look like anime girls. You can find any number of scantily clad girls in anime, manga, games, gachas, etc.

As you say though, the other hand part that sucks is that the entire internet is just cancerous with the perception of how things look. And these days anything that isn't toeing the line of the "correct values" makes you some sort of villain that not only needs beaten, but more or less removed from being allowed to exist.
We're in a timeline where half naked little girls is a general "That's fine." or cross dressing children is stunning and brave, but people try to cancel you if you throw out a Nigga during karaoke.

We'll just have to see if things change in time. Both with the Phase Connect stuff and the real life dumbassery.

I think at the very least if Pippa left Tenma and Lumi would be looking to leave as well if it due to content disputes. Not just because they'd be loyal to Pippa or whatever, but both of them have edgier content that would probably be in danger once the Pipnary in the company is gone. It would probably also be in both Phase's and their best interest at that point for a cleaner break that doesn't create any bad blood by trying to force things one way or the other.

Tenma is an interesting case I think. She's not actually super yab, but she IS aware of how retarded social media/cancel culture garbage has gotten and seems to know how to avoid those minefields. The woman definitely pokes fun at it. Sometimes I wonder if her ESL might give her a bit of immunity to it as well. As long as she doesn't say anything wild it's probably a bad look to try and swing at someone who's clearly not English twitter raised.
On the other hand I actually do believe she's loyal enough to roll with Pippa. If Pippa goes then Lumi likely leaves because she'll be dealing with the same issues Pippa did at that point or shortly after. Who else is going to be the phase yab master if Pips is gone? Yuri likely also goes with Lumi again, and the two of them already dealt with getting fucked over by a company so they're probably both ready to just shrug and say fuck it then.

 

[BioBreak]

There are a lot of more normal Korean churches, for somewhat similar reasons to why there are a lot of Indonesian muslims; it was a show of opposition to their colonial rulers, Japan in this case. At one point SK was the most heavily-Christian-identified country aside from the Vatican (insert Catholic joke here).

That's a fair counterpoint, though the only reason I really brought up and singled out the wacko Korean christian churches is in response to the Mormon point of the guy.

 

[RestlessRain]

I think at the very least if Pippa left Tenma and Lumi would be looking to leave as well if it due to content disputes. Not just because they'd be loyal to Pippa or whatever, but both of them have edgier content that would probably be in danger once the Pipnary in the company is gone. It would probably also be in both Phase's and their best interest at that point for a cleaner break that doesn't create any bad blood by trying to force things one way or the other.

Tenma is an interesting case I think. She's not actually super yab, but she IS aware of how retarded social media/cancel culture garbage has gotten and seems to know how to avoid those minefields. The woman definitely pokes fun at it. Sometimes I wonder if her ESL might give her a bit of immunity to it as well. As long as she doesn't say anything wild it's probably a bad look to try and swing at someone who's clearly not English twitter raised

On the other hand I actually do believe she's loyal enough to roll with Pippa. If Pippa goes then Lumi likely leaves because she'll be dealing with the same issues Pippa did at that point or shortly after. Who else is going to be the phase yab master if Pips is gone? Yuri likely also goes with Lumi again, and the two of them already dealt with getting fucked over by a company so they're probably both ready to just shrug and say fuck it then.

I think if Pippa left there's going to be a lot more problems than that. Pippa has referred multiple people to Phase Connect, not to mention her plugs, raids, collaborations, and genmates helping each other. She's going to have great relationships with a lot of the company. And if their biggest streamer and likely biggest money-maker isn't feeling appreciated by PC, the rest of the group are definitely going to start wondering if they are better off elsewhere too, not to mention how bad a look it that would be for Phase Connect as a vtuber company. No, Fishman is going to bend over backwards to keep her in the company.

 

[Sithis]

It is a long running joke, but I actively believe that Tenma would tell him to fuck off if she thought he was going too far. Pippa will push back too but I think she would be more cordial about it. Tenma always struck me as the type where sure, if you respect her and work with her you probably have her loyalty against anything. If you fuck that up though you're probably lucky you aren't in the same room lol.
Though I do wonder if she would jump ship with Pippa or not, they've been buddies since before PC. Would probably come down to whether or not she felt like Pippa got fucked over and if it might hassle her as well.

Tbh that surprises me about Tenma but at the same time I can believe it. The reason it surprises me is because out of all of them, hell even more than Holo, she seems very professional. She has talked about it briefly before but it's why she doesn't get too chummy with too many of her coworkers, because to her it's a job and something she enjoys but that's it, it's not some second life for her. Which I respect a lot. But I can see where she would at least be close enough with Pippa because from what I understand they knew each other previously and kinda came into the company together, they have a good friendship. Also I think she is smart enough to realize if they'd go fucking with the content of their #1 streamer they'd surely have no issues fucking with the content of #2 and so on as well, so if it would reach that point I think she'd prefer to maintain creative control as much as possible. And since she is frankly one of the most motivated talents PC has I think fishman would be retarded to risk losing both her and Pippa just so he can tardwrangle chat harder and appeal to, what again?

 

[Takodachi]

Perhaps I'm too jaded, but most people would choose a comfortable job over friendships.
Tenma might jump ship if by any chance Pippa left, but I strongly doubt Lia would.

 

[Clown Penis]

It's Mental Illness Awareness Week this week. I wonder what Phase Connect is doing to recognize the week.

Spoiler: Menhera Awareness Week Plan

 

[DrStupid]

Shiina's model is practically an almost nude loli, and from what i gather jokes about it herself with the crab outfit stuff. I kind of like her personality but the lewd stuff on top of the model ruins it for me.

Tell me you've never watched Shiina without actually telling me you don't watch shiina.
My dude, she doesn't even show her model from the chest down because she's also uncomfortable with the clothing. If that's the only "lewd stuff" you have a pretty low bar. Remi, on the other hand creeps me out, even moreso knowing she has a loli-er or toddler form.
It's like PC management gave the risque models to the less yabai people (Airi and Shiina) to try to compensate..

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

Is vtubing how Australians think that they will become acceptable to the world?

 

[Thomas Talus]

IIRC at one point Pippa was going to have a Tanuki character to pair with Tenma's Kitsune.

 

[Banana Hammock]

Regarding the Sana Tower stuff... I mean, it makes sense that they weren't all tearing up, or whatever. Just because we don't see Sana anymore doesn't mean that they don't. They probably talk over discord or whatever all the time.