General Thread v5 Guys: MariMari_EN Edition

[Sankisei]

So to the people in ES, the new of the week is a new update in the Owozu controversy.

Welp one of the girls (Nene Efthy) who demanded in a Chilean labor court the labor abuse of her managers lost the case. The other girls (most of them part of an organization called Oneeshi) decided to desist from continuing legal proceeding, and Rakkun is the only one that was left alone. One of Owozu managers is considering now starting a case of defamation against Rakkun and Nefe Efthy.



Conflict arose because both Nene Efthy and the girls of Oneeshi throw shit at Rakkun for “Tricking them” into participating in a fooling endeavor by turning this into a legal labor case. IMPORTANT: they are not denying the accusation made against the managers of Owozu, only that most of their legal decisions were forced by Rakkun. They started to chimp out against each other.







EDIT: Now this meme is funny

View attachment 97395

With this, the guys are at Owozu are doing victory laps, acting like this resolution proves that they did nothing wrong. Of course, once you read the resolution (something 99% didn't do) it actually reveals why the case was rejected.

View attachment 97394

The labor court is NOT saying “Owozu was not bad to the girls and nothing bad happened here, and their accusations are false”.

What the tribunal is saying IS: “This is not a dispute between employee and employer but between two independent private parties. Even if they have evidence, we cannot say or sentence anything because as a labor court, we are not competent for these conflicts”.

Clearly here the problem was to bring a type of conflict to a court that does not see such types of conflicts. Nene and Rakkun's mistake was to believe that since it was a problem in their jobs, it could be seen by a labor court. But in reality, this is more of a civil issue.

The issue is people now saying that Owozu did nothing wrong even though Nene and the Oneeshi girls continue to maintain the statements that the managers are horrible, which may very well not be a regulatory fault, but wrong nonetheless.

It is clear that everyone in this controversy has no fucking idea of the law. Rakkun, Nene, the managers of Owozu do not understand the decision made by the court and that it is not “this one is right or wrong” but “this is not our business”.

Now what I do find fascinating is that this is the first time I have seen a court refer to the employment relationship between vtuber and agency, arguing that, as the talent's salary depends on donations and not on the employer, there is no relationship of subordination or dependence between employee and employer.

Therefore, this type of conflict could not be seen by a labor court because what there would be in reality is a collaboration or independent service. Therefore, the problem here would be a breach of contract between private parties.

You should also point out that Rakkun sent out her boyfriend to doxxxx FuelVT wich is a ES dramaYamanba even more annoying that the english ones but still was a funny part of this drama

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

A part of me is actually super sad that I won't have the chance to fuck with her anymore

https://archive.ph/ogwJg

 

[Helkar]

A part of me is actually super sad that I won't have the chance to fuck with her anymore

Who is this and can i safely say she's joining HoloEN5? (i probably can't since those who are probably graduated in the spring and also there'll never be a HoloEN5).

 

[Ginkgo Balboa 🌾🗡]

A part of me is actually super sad that I won't have the chance to fuck with her anymore

She got into Nijisanji!

... wait, that's not a good thing!

 

[dkn2038]

She got into Nijisanji!

... wait, that's not a good thing!

I'm about to be bonked for phasebegging, don't tempt me, I have no self control

 

[Negronald Trump]

So to the people in ES, the new of the week is a new update in the Owozu controversy.

Welp one of the girls (Nene Efthy) who demanded in a Chilean labor court the labor abuse of her managers lost the case. The other girls (most of them part of an organization called Oneeshi) decided to desist from continuing legal proceeding, and Rakkun is the only one that was left alone. One of Owozu managers is considering now starting a case of defamation against Rakkun and Nefe Efthy.



Conflict arose because both Nene Efthy and the girls of Oneeshi throw shit at Rakkun for “Tricking them” into participating in a fooling endeavor by turning this into a legal labor case. IMPORTANT: they are not denying the accusation made against the managers of Owozu, only that most of their legal decisions were forced by Rakkun. They started to chimp out against each other.







EDIT: Now this meme is funny

View attachment 97395

With this, the guys are at Owozu are doing victory laps, acting like this resolution proves that they did nothing wrong. Of course, once you read the resolution (something 99% didn't do) it actually reveals why the case was rejected.

View attachment 97394

The labor court is NOT saying “Owozu was not bad to the girls and nothing bad happened here, and their accusations are false”.

What the tribunal is saying IS: “This is not a dispute between employee and employer but between two independent private parties. Even if they have evidence, we cannot say or sentence anything because as a labor court, we are not competent for these conflicts”.

Clearly here the problem was to bring a type of conflict to a court that does not see such types of conflicts. Nene and Rakkun's mistake was to believe that since it was a problem in their jobs, it could be seen by a labor court. But in reality, this is more of a civil issue.

The issue is people now saying that Owozu did nothing wrong even though Nene and the Oneeshi girls continue to maintain the statements that the managers are horrible, which may very well not be a regulatory fault, but wrong nonetheless.

It is clear that everyone in this controversy has no fucking idea of the law. Rakkun, Nene, the managers of Owozu do not understand the decision made by the court and that it is not “this one is right or wrong” but “this is not our business”.

Now what I do find fascinating is that this is the first time I have seen a court refer to the employment relationship between vtuber and agency, arguing that, as the talent's salary depends on donations and not on the employer, there is no relationship of subordination or dependence between employee and employer.

Therefore, this type of conflict could not be seen by a labor court because what there would be in reality is a collaboration or independent service. Therefore, the problem here would be a breach of contract between private parties.

Let me just say, these fucking beaner retards didn't hire the bestest v-tuber legal mind and chart enthusiast @NeneLOVE esq. to handle the case.

What a bunch of idiotas.

 

[Cubanodun]

The bombs will keep going until Vtubing improves, the hag valkyrie is out

 

[dkn2038]

The bombs will keep going until Vtubing improves, the hag valkyrie is out

she went the ame way???

 

[Superduper Samurai]

The bombs will keep going until Vtubing improves, the hag valkyrie is out

General Thread v4mirai: Brought to you by Brave

Jelly singing Calli is playing Demon's Souls

thevirtualasylum.com

She announced this around 3 weeks ago but she said she seemingly didnt want to make it too public too fast, im surprised they actually announced it, i have info on her stream announcing it on my post

 

[Spergatory]

The bombs will keep going until Vtubing improves, the hag valkyrie is out

The only way vtubing improves is if vtubing dies. This is all part of her plan.

 

[frz]

So to the people in ES, the new of the week is a new update in the Owozu controversy.

Welp one of the girls (Nene Efthy) who demanded in a Chilean labor court the labor abuse of her managers lost the case. The other girls (most of them part of an organization called Oneeshi) decided to desist from continuing legal proceeding, and Rakkun is the only one that was left alone. One of Owozu managers is considering now starting a case of defamation against Rakkun and Nefe Efthy.



Conflict arose because both Nene Efthy and the girls of Oneeshi throw shit at Rakkun for “Tricking them” into participating in a fooling endeavor by turning this into a legal labor case. IMPORTANT: they are not denying the accusation made against the managers of Owozu, only that most of their legal decisions were forced by Rakkun. They started to chimp out against each other.







EDIT: Now this meme is funny

View attachment 97395

With this, the guys are at Owozu are doing victory laps, acting like this resolution proves that they did nothing wrong. Of course, once you read the resolution (something 99% didn't do) it actually reveals why the case was rejected.

View attachment 97394

The labor court is NOT saying “Owozu was not bad to the girls and nothing bad happened here, and their accusations are false”.

What the tribunal is saying IS: “This is not a dispute between employee and employer but between two independent private parties. Even if they have evidence, we cannot say or sentence anything because as a labor court, we are not competent for these conflicts”.

Clearly here the problem was to bring a type of conflict to a court that does not see such types of conflicts. Nene and Rakkun's mistake was to believe that since it was a problem in their jobs, it could be seen by a labor court. But in reality, this is more of a civil issue.

The issue is people now saying that Owozu did nothing wrong even though Nene and the Oneeshi girls continue to maintain the statements that the managers are horrible, which may very well not be a regulatory fault, but wrong nonetheless.

It is clear that everyone in this controversy has no fucking idea of the law. Rakkun, Nene, the managers of Owozu do not understand the decision made by the court and that it is not “this one is right or wrong” but “this is not our business”.

Now what I do find fascinating is that this is the first time I have seen a court refer to the employment relationship between vtuber and agency, arguing that, as the talent's salary depends on donations and not on the employer, there is no relationship of subordination or dependence between employee and employer.

Therefore, this type of conflict could not be seen by a labor court because what there would be in reality is a collaboration or independent service. Therefore, the problem here would be a breach of contract between private parties.

so, they're legally our employees... or legally hobos/beggars...

Wait, so basically, owozu paid no salary to the menheras, they take a cut from their super chat.
So under the eye of the law, the vtubers were paying a portion of their income for Owozu to manage their finance and assist their activities.
Wouldnt that make Owozu the employee/contracted service provider and the vtubers the employer?
Kinda interesting how the vtuber - corpo relationship actually works legally.

 

[JusticeDog]

 

[Void Scribas]

Wouldnt that make Owozu the employee/contracted service provider and the vtubers the employer?

Now, what you say there could change how we see a lot of vtuber agencies, at least under the eye of labor law.

 

[Azehara]

I'm curious if she'll have this level of scrutiny towards other sponsors. If she has a sponsorship with a snackbox who also sponsors someone Evil And Bad, will she publicly renounce the sponsorship? (Of course she won't unless Jocat or whoever finds out about it)

Pretty sure she has a Youtooz. Wonder if she will drop them too.

VAllure was honest about their schtick from day one, they didn't slowly morph into it like others did hence the difference in treatment.

I never had an issue with people moving into

I find it surprising too. I haven't watched Rin in a long while, but I found her fairly inoffensive and genuinely entertaining when I did. I thought that she was somewhat popular here, so to see the forum turn on her so quickly seems strange to me.

If she thinks that she's better than the other Idol members, it's probably because she is. I don't say that because I have a particularly high opinion of Rin though.

She was extremely safe and did a bunch of self deprecating humor. Wasn't having menhera meltdowns either.

You guys making promocodes a much bigger deal than they actually are. They are not sponsorships, it's a wrong term to use. Low 2views can get a funny powder promocode. I bet even artists on twitter can get one too if they ask. And company likely won't even bother to remove your code just because you don't sell shit.

This. People on the Bint side taking this as some sort of win but honestly from the "sales" standpoint I dont think its much. Hell probably dropped it mainly because of how little she was getting off from it that the virtue signal would benefit more.

Lucid multimedia restructures.

I still have no clue whta the fuck Lucid does as a company. THey are just there. They feel like Tsunderia but with smaller brand recognition.

It is taking a genuinely massive amount of self-control not to make a snarky comment on this tweet.

Image of Proctor about to go swimming.

This is a very odd thing to do out of nowhere. Something must have happened to make them do this.
They have to realize how strange this looks. I wonder if this is something management came up with as a response to Selen suicide attempt after a very slow pass through their bureaucracy.

I think it might have to do with IKE.

Mysta mentioned he was ok but I honestly think he tried to off himself or something. Very weird for him to suddenly disappear and for the corpo to wipe everything clean.

I'm about to be bonked for phasebegging, don't tempt me, I have no self control

Crossing my fingers she doesn't join some random shithole and ends up in a worse position due to it. I like Hunii.

General Thread v4mirai: Brought to you by Brave

Jelly singing Calli is playing Demon's Souls

thevirtualasylum.com

She announced this around 3 weeks ago but she said she seemingly didnt want to make it too public too fast, im surprised they actually announced it, i have info on her stream announcing it on my post

I wonder what the fuck this company is going to do. They killed off a good chunk of the talents that give them revenue. According to the leaks they were going to debut some new talent or something soon (the Twitter account is up, forgot the name).

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

mozu gets baked

 

[JusticeDog]

I wonder what the fuck this company is going to do. They killed off a good chunk of the talents that give them revenue. According to the leaks they were going to debut some new talent or something soon (the Twitter account is up, forgot the name).

https://x.com/UchuVNU

They haven't done anything noteworthy with yet, just a handful of tweets and interactions with other talents.

It's been a full month since it went public and it's barely getting attention with a current follower count of 226!

Who knows whatever they think this new person is supposed to do for the company, because its clear people dont care.

 

[RiverBear]

General Thread v4mirai: Brought to you by Brave

Jelly singing Calli is playing Demon's Souls

thevirtualasylum.com

She announced this around 3 weeks ago but she said she seemingly didnt want to make it too public too fast, im surprised they actually announced it, i have info on her stream announcing it on my post

is she going to a different company or is she quitting entirely?

 

[smartestkidontheshortbus]

Popular here reads as some Idol shills and @Awoogers

And @John Vtuber👁️ before he gazed upon titties in shibari

 

[Smelliest007]

about time you learned to stop touching poo.

though in this case. geezuz.


Ive been nursing a private Rrat for a long time. I don't think Elira is the Clique Queen I think it might be Enna as a reminder the only reason people said it was Elira is because the fictional connection between her and Selen

However Enna has been a vocal bitch form the start some of her "stories" don't make sense remember the whole sleepover with two lesbians thing? what are the odds that either didn't happen or worse she was one of the two weirdo lesbians (millie?) who are totally fine making out while their "friend" Sleeps on the floor

It also somewhat explains Millie being retarded they are a co dependent pair to a degree Millie follows Enna's bitchness and from there the clique is formed if I had to guess the order just for the sake of completeness

Enna+Millie (it's much easier to start a group if you already are one) Finana Elira I am not sure about Reimu . I also suspect one of the Obsidia members either Petra or Rosemi may have participated though that's just my hunch.

If i wanted to make it make sense They heard things from the other clique members are repeated it without a thought or at least believed it.

Keep in mind that the staff at Ninji were making all this worse as well I would not be shocked to learn they were spreading bullshit along with the other malicious shit we know they did.

I buy that Elira is the de facto leader but Enna is the queen bitch in charge of gay ops against people they don't like.

 

[nooternun]

You can tell the forum has nothing better to discuss when we go on for pages and pages questioning why someone DOESN'T get talked about anymore.

There is lots to talk about but not in the sphere of interests for the most common posters.

There is an increase in academic papers about anime girls on the internet

• "Can't believe I'm crying over an anime girl": Public Parasocial Grieving and Coping Towards VTuber Graduation and Termination​

• I Stan Alien Idols and Also the People Behind Them: Understanding How Seams Between Virtual and Real Identities Engage VTuber Fans -- A Case Study of PLAVE (heh, they called PLAVE aliens like Mafu)​

• VTuber's Atelier: The Design Space, Challenges, and Opportunities for VTubing​

• Who Reaps All the Superchats? A Large-Scale Analysis of Income Inequality in Virtual YouTuber Livestreaming​

Even vtubers are getting in on the action

Raden has collabed multiple times with her. Her paper - Life as a Virtual Science Communicator: Possibilities of VTuber × Science Communication