General Thread v5 Guys: MariMari_EN Edition

[Azehara]

I've seen several people on reddit suggest it has to do with Bricky being in charge of her merch and because that's really the only way Vshojo makes money off the talents and it might've upset them when she refused to switch back to them

That's what makes the most sense to me.

I don't want to jinx it ( I'm lying I do) but I give them a year before one of them drops a google doc on the other

Bro its going to be Bao again. Bao always gets fucked over.

I can vouch for merch problems and her voicing her own frustration about it on stream, usually in response to a Momo asking if there's any updates on merch.

Everything I've ordered from VShojo has missed the predicted release by months. It took ~10 months to get a fucking standee. Meanwhile the stuff I ordered when she set up her own store actually did arrive in weeks.

That's actually very interesting information. So what the fuck are they doing differently?

She won't go deeper into detail but she did mention she's mentally in a much better place than she last time she parted with her corpo.

She's not really setting the bar high with that one.

Considering most of them already have outside management agents, there's an interesting question about what the organization does for anyone at this point.

Venture round closed in March 2022, so backers are going to want a plan for an exit strategy this year and an exit in 26 or 27.

Analysis of Vshojo. I was looking for funding information. Crunchbase's tools says "very unlikely to IPO" and "very likely to be Acquired".

I don't think this'll hurt Matara.

I always wondered where the fuck Vshojo gets the money from. Last time I heard about percentages was when Kson joined and she still mentioned that superchats/subscriptions were 100% in her favor and Vshojo only took a cut from merch.

As I dont really watch Twitch so I didnt even know that Vshojo had a store until someone else pointed it out to me. I have some questions. How much merch do they sell? How much do these talents shill their store? How much new merch gets added to the store on a monthly or quarterly basis? Or are they just selling the same merch they announced 2 years ago for a debut and never added anything else?

Hololive talents are constantly shilling merch especially after any events or birthdays or other shit. 3D? MERCH. Concert? MERCH. Gen or Branch collab? MERCH.

And now my other questions related to those previous questions. Where the fuck does the money to fun the company come from? They have about 30 employees meaning they pay these people. Many of the Niji talents have managers. Who pays them? The company or the talent? Finally with the JP wave, since they are not big talents per-se do they have the same 100% revenue split? Do they have managers? Do they have to deal with game perm retardation?

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Another thing I always wondered about was the 3 talents that left. These 3 talents left during the contract negotiation/renewal time. Nyanners mentioned that "it made no sense" for them to stay in the company and for some reason I always thought that Vshojo was possibly asking for a revenue cut to cover operational costs. Given that they were not friends with anyone in the corpo anymore, and they probably wouldnt get any benefits from a cut they just dipped.

I am not sure how they are doing after leaving but I havent heard about any of them in a very long time.

 

[I Wanna Die]

nice shitpost

Anyone that understood this meme should be banned for being underage cause this is clearly some faggy gen Alpha shit my mind cannot comprehend.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

Someone on reddit said that she explained on stream that it was the result of a business decision she made so this is in fact Vshojo firing her

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Full credit to burnt fish on the farms' thread but he posted something interesting
Post in thread 'General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas' https://kiwifarms.net/threads/gener...youtubers-vtubers-chuubas.69525/post-21268847

He got a link to an early VSJ Q&A that Kson did for the JP bros, relevant timestamp is at around 51:30
(Holodex link for live TL reasons)

Holodex

Catch multiple collabs and streams using our multiview tool, find clips and listen to music/karaoke/covers from your favorite vtubers.

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But it apparently does state that talents are 100% free to run their own merch, which is what Matara has been doing. So what she has been doing, on paper is allowed to a certain extent, so i think the main speculation would be how and why did she violate rules wise if the main narrative involves the merch as a central crux of her being amicably fired/let go

 

[VSoyBoy]

As I dont really watch Twitch so I didnt even know that Vshojo had a store until someone else pointed it out to me. I have some questions. How much merch do they sell? How much do these talents shill their store? How much new merch gets added to the store on a monthly or quarterly basis? Or are they just selling the same merch they announced 2 years ago for a debut and never added anything else?

You can answer 90% of those questions yourself by just going to the store and clicking a couple of VShojo vods.

Kuro and from what I've seen most other VShojos always have a banner ad in their just chatting screens for either merch or a sponsor. In Kuro's case, he had a rotation between his GFuel flavour and his anniversary merch for the last few weeks.
Since the Valentines merch there have been: a Geega Monster Hunter drop, Kuro anniversary merch, Michi anniversary merch and Nagi Birthday merch.
As for quantity, I don't know how much they sell and they don't really have a reason to tell anyone. Michi has pins in her anniversary merch that she talked about on stream designing and prototyping herself and she may have talked a bit about quantity in that stream, but I don't think in much detail.

But it apparently does state that talents are 100% free to run their own merch, which is what Matara has been doing.

While several talents have solo merch and outside collaborations, it's not always clear if VShojo may still get a cut even if it's not sold on their store. For example, the Ironmouse apari merch is sold outside of the VShojo store but the company might still get a cut. There is also the option that a solo merch run outside of VShojo might get handled like a sponsorship deal so they get a cut of that pie as well.
Also, for KSON specifically, I think the Tenga collab was something that she set up mostly on her own, but the merch was still sold on the VShojo store at the end of the day, even if it was probably manufactured and managed by a company Tenga is affiliated with.

I think there is levels to this merch thing. You can produce and manage your own merch while still selling on the VShojo store or you can hash out deals for merch or collaborations that can't or won't be sold via the VShojo store for whatever reason. What I think is important is if they need a reason, and Mata wasn't giving a good enough reason for why her merch had to be sold outside of the VShojo store or without any VShojo involvement.

 

[shipmate]

Seems like Menace will have to go even further now to compensate for the rent

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Speaking of her, the whorethon went over what she wanted but didn't go much over considering what she put there as rewards (50k for a tiddy handcam while jerking it and 100k for a cosplay tittyjob if I remember correctly), according to the simps it's just under 30k USD. She cums on wednesdays and tomorrow is the last day of the month, it will be a gold rush (pun intended, she's into piss too, as expected).
Rent is guaranteed for the foreseeable future of the current contract, but she will definitely downsize or get another whore roommate to save money on the long run.

 

[Lazybug]

lol amazing Junis character got fan art in the time it took her to do the stream behold the savior of cyrodil

 

[Hff201]

She cums on wednesdays

Are you really telling me this bitch has a fucking cum schedule?

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

Someone on reddit said that she explained on stream that it was the result of a business decision she made so this is in fact Vshojo firing her

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Only problem with that Reddit post is that isn't quite what she said in her stream.



They're agreed upon public statements and Matara wanted it to be clear they were letting her go. She made some business decisions that got in the way of continuing with Vshojo. So, the rrat around merch is almost assuredly correct. The Redditor was wrong about it being a Mel-like situation. It's literally "just business" and nothing really changes with any of the Vshojo girls.

 

[Phantasm]

Are you really telling me this bitch has a fucking cum schedule?

I guess you kinda need one when it's how you make your money

 

[shipmate]

Are you really telling me this bitch has a fucking cum schedule?

Yes actually, it's pretty impressive: her goon sessions are on wednesdays and saturdays, sometimes on sunday when she's extra horny. She uploads shorter edging audios from time to time on tuesdays and fridays to "get them going". You might not like it, but she is dedicated and already embraced the label of slut, she puts (keekiface) more effort than 90% of these e-whores.
I just wish she didn't seek monetary gain from it but what can I do, I'm not her dad.

You want her to buttfuck herself on stream for FREE?

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When you add money to the equation, the sex-positivity changes from "I'm free to do whatever I want, we can hang around if you like it" to "I'm too lazy to take a proper job so I will expose myself for desperate men who will put out enough money to coast through these 10 years I'm desireable". Some argue that she's just putting business and pleasure together to make it enjoyable, but as I see it, it's cope for someone who will be left emptyhanded, both material and psychological, as their only drive depends on others to continue.

 

[Phantasm]

I just wish she didn't seek monetary gain from it but what can I do, I'm not her dad.

You want her to buttfuck herself on stream for FREE?

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[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

That's what makes the most sense to me.


Bro its going to be Bao again. Bao always gets fucked over.


That's actually very interesting information. So what the fuck are they doing differently?


She's not really setting the bar high with that one.


I always wondered where the fuck Vshojo gets the money from. Last time I heard about percentages was when Kson joined and she still mentioned that superchats/subscriptions were 100% in her favor and Vshojo only took a cut from merch.

As I dont really watch Twitch so I didnt even know that Vshojo had a store until someone else pointed it out to me. I have some questions. How much merch do they sell? How much do these talents shill their store? How much new merch gets added to the store on a monthly or quarterly basis? Or are they just selling the same merch they announced 2 years ago for a debut and never added anything else?

Hololive talents are constantly shilling merch especially after any events or birthdays or other shit. 3D? MERCH. Concert? MERCH. Gen or Branch collab? MERCH.

And now my other questions related to those previous questions. Where the fuck does the money to fun the company come from? They have about 30 employees meaning they pay these people. Many of the Niji talents have managers. Who pays them? The company or the talent? Finally with the JP wave, since they are not big talents per-se do they have the same 100% revenue split? Do they have managers? Do they have to deal with game perm retardation?

---

Another thing I always wondered about was the 3 talents that left. These 3 talents left during the contract negotiation/renewal time. Nyanners mentioned that "it made no sense" for them to stay in the company and for some reason I always thought that Vshojo was possibly asking for a revenue cut to cover operational costs. Given that they were not friends with anyone in the corpo anymore, and they probably wouldnt get any benefits from a cut they just dipped.

I am not sure how they are doing after leaving but I havent heard about any of them in a very long time.

Veibae's Twitch Stats
Nyanner's Twitch Stats
Silvervale's Switch Stats

Vei and Nyanner's haven't been streaming as much, but Silvervale has kept on trucking and slightly inclined. Seems it did nothing but sort of drop them from the recommended algos because of the lack of bit network collabs. (A lot of Hololive's performance was huge network effects on YT that sort of got patched out a couple of years ago, but it cemented them in the algo.)

As for Vshojo's store, I'm not sure. They don't seem to have a regular stock of things, so maybe it's just setting up other collabs. Ironmouse, for instance, has more easily found links to her Razor-branded products. Of which Vshojo might get a cut. But I don't really know how they'd support more than maybe 5-8 ppl by the listed merch for sale.

 

[Hff201]

Yes actually, it's pretty impressive: her goon sessions are on wednesdays and saturdays, sometimes on sunday when she's extra horny. She uploads shorter edging audios from time to time on tuesdays and fridays to "get them going". You might not like it, but she is dedicated and already embraced the label of slut, she puts (keekiface) more effort than 90% of these e-whores.
I just wish she didn't seek monetary gain from it but what can I do, I'm not her dad.

You... sure know a lot about this, champ.

 

[Phantasm]

You... sure know a lot about this, champ.

Listen I won't be judgmental (out loud) but everyone needs a hobby and I guess his is "researching" and "archiving" Menaces adventures into whoredom

It's fucking with my headcannon since @shipmate used to have _F at the end of his name so I always thought he was one of the few women on the forum. Now I don't know what to think.

Wait he's not then why does he call himself a sister on his profile? Listen @shipmate this is a safe space you can come out and tell us if you're a troon and I'll try and not hate you too much

Spoiler: Shipmate

 

[Johnny Jambalaya]

You... sure know a lot about this, champ.

It's fucking with my headcannon since @shipmate used to have _F at the end of his name so I always thought he was one of the few women on the forum. Now I don't know what to think.

 

[God's Saddest Tattletail]

It's fucking with my headcannon since @shipmate used to have _F at the end of his name so I always thought he was one of the few women on the forum. Now I don't know what to think.

I didn't even notice the _F was gone... maybe it actually stood for _Fansly?

 

[Hff201]

Listen I won't be judgmental (out loud) but everyone needs a hobby and I guess his is "researching" and "archiving" Menaces adventures into whoredom

You see, I read Fansly for the articles.

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

Now I'm just picturing some Nolan esque chap getting oddly amped up for Wednesdays with no one in his personal life understanding why

 

[God's Saddest Tattletail]

Now I'm just picturing some Nolan esque chap getting oddly amped up for Wednesdays with no one in his personal life understanding why

 

[CalciumAnimal]

I'd have thrown The Church of Satan in the ring but they aren't nearly as cool as the name suggests and in reality they're just really a bunch of reddit tier atheist cunts

If you mean the other branch of satanism that follows that fraud Anton Lavey and is essentially a cult just like scientology I was really tempted but i decided he was too much of a femboy to be worth a mention. At least the other guys have a sense of humor about worshipping a literal semon demon.