General Thread v5 Guys: MariMari_EN Edition

[Svarog]

Surprising no one.

I watched her as Maaru back in the day so glad she's back at it

And her garlic friend debuts in 10 minutes.

 

[thirteenorphans]

And her garlic friend debuts in 10 minutes.

...is she putting a bit of being a new streamer? Actually I can't tell from voice alone if it's Shion

Hell she sounds more like Noel to me than Shion

 

[Svarog]

...is she putting a bit of being a new streamer? Actually I can't tell from voice alone if it's Shion

Yep, the rumors were wrong, it's not Shion.

 

[MerelyTourist]

Her thought process didn't seem go further than "tcgs fun, tcgs make money, we are drawings, cards have drawings, we on cards cool, we on cards make money."

Not to mention she doesn't have a clue on how her card game actually works or how some rules can be exploited.

Yep, the problem with it being unplayable is that your TCG turns into just collectable cards. And very shitty ones at that, because if have irrelevant game shit printed instead of bigger art. And change the rules doesn't work, because vast majority of the rules are already printed on the cards.

 

[CalciumAnimal]

Didn't Dream diddle some fans or am I misremembering stuff? I never dug deep into it, just that he was circled with drama and as usual, there's a shower of allegations, but Minecraft youtubers? I wouldn't doubt it.

he cheated in minecraft and lied about it also did a lot of cringe shit.

You know how twitter band wagoning works? Now condense that autism down and you get minecraft drama.

His "staff" for lack of a better word however big shock there we minecraft is a beacon to pedos.

As one of those TCG players that spends money on cardboard crack, double-sleeving and all, multiple sets for both play and collection, etc...

I take back my previous suggestions on how to properly improve the game. No matter what she does with it, the product will easily sell, but it will never have actual legs as a proper game outside of this very niche consumer base.

Combined with new chuuba-based TCGs all competing for the same resources, I would recommend against taking any one of them seriously, until and unless they actually prove themselves as a playable game. If you want to support "indie" card games, look into Flesh & Blood, Grand Archive, or Elestrals instead, if you're not already into the madness with Vanguard/Wixoss/Weiss Schwarz/Shadowverse, or the big boys of Pokémon/Yu-Gi-Oh/Digimon/One Piece.

In short, degrading the customer is a non-starter, in a saturated market such as TCGs!

i'm only aware of my own circles here

do people actually play vanguard? like legit it's so simple there's like zero skill expression. Relevant because Vcard and similar care games seem to be following it's example.

Also you forgot Magic so now I have to take your left kidney.

 

[Negronald Trump]

...is she putting a bit of being a new streamer? Actually I can't tell from voice alone if it's Shion

Hell she sounds more like Noel to me than Shion

Let me just say, it's not Shion. I'm betting it's her little sister. Here's a clip of Chloe with her imouto.

 

[frz]

With the underage fan thing, it was actually more to do with his staff than Dream, people jumped on him not realising (because retardation).
The one thing he actually was caught in was manipulating the drop rates on his world record Minecraft run, to the point he hired a mathematician to confirm it was possible, before getting BTFO by the Minecraft speed running mods with insane number crunched figures.
TL;DR what he did in the run was mathematically impossible with base game figures, proving he manipulated the game code.

Note that even the mathematician he hired wrote in the document "yeah this guy cheated"

The sad part about the faked run drama is I don't think he intended to run the manipulated builds. I think he simply didn't notice he was on the wrong load of the client when he was doing speedrun stuff, didn't realize it when he submitted it and then quadrupled down when called out on it. While everyone was on the "physical possibilities before the heat death of the universe" math work, there was a blatantly obvious & logical answer for how it all went down. He hired a physicists for number crunching before checking if he had played on a modified client for those runs.

It was a 5 minute check and a mea culpa, because using modified clients had been previously part of his content. But he'd clearly not faced any real criticism before and responded in a really dumb, overtly autistic way. That isn't too surprising.

1. He refused to supply the mods with his files.
2. The mathematician Dream hired said Dream cheated, inside the document. And he posted the document anyway claiming that he didn't. Dude fucked up the calculation and lower the possibility of him cheating by 1000 times compared to the mods calculation, but even that 1000 times lower was still too astronomically high for it to be a natural run.
3. He was attacking everyone involved, except for the mathematician because he likely didn't read what the guy concluded.
4. Like you said he was quadrupling down, while still refusing to supply the mods with his files. Something he should have done in the first place instead of spending hundred of dollars on a mathematician.
5. Finally he claimed "My friends did it I am not aware"

I'd believe he knew it all the time, why else wouldn't he let other people conduct that 5 minutes check for him and cleared all of his allegations if he was truly innocent.

Anyway he still has million of views on his videos, his viewers doesn't care if his shit are staged, most of them are kids anyway. I thought the fujoshis would stop caring once he face revealed and wasn't a cute skinny asian boy (who would have guessed), turned out they are still supporting him and his homo shipping videos still get million of views. The only reason why you don't hear of him anymore is he had some form of creative bankruptcy and was making content on Gura's schedule.

 

[La+ de Central Norte]

Yep, the rumors were wrong, it's not Shion.

Happy for Chloe tho

 

[bothyourhouses]

But if you were your own artist, you wouldn't be able to give bullshit reasons why your art commissions were late.

You underestimate artists.

Calling VCard anything else than a moneygrab (or a derogatory synonym) is delusional.

Nah, Shylily wouldn't be this assmad, even when she's digging herself deeper into the hole every time, if it was just a grift. She's genuinely that stupid and Dunning-Krugered where she's too bad at game design to realise how bad she is at game design. She keeps doubling down on the idea that this is a good game design and the people complaining are wrong, because she came up with the best design she could and genuinely thinks that means it must actually be a good game design.

 

[SpringKusa]

Vtubing will be the final impetus for science to find a solution for FF fertilisation.

We're going to be obsolescent soon, guys.

I welcome the golden age of Yuri

 

[Svarog]

Onolumi playing Gothic II


Hanabi chatting. (she brought back monetization and membership)


Mashiro Yuki singing and playing guitar.

 

[kushami tasukaru]

Chihaya is singing.

She reached 350k subs.

Re:AcT's Hanabasami Kyo released the MV of her latest single Fragile.

She's also recently turned single based on her roommate posting.

Varium's Serenade Oxblood will sing at midnight JST.

Her usual end of week slot.

Kanade and making jokes as a bilingual.

Very relatable.

The newest Vtubing dolphin is already subbed.

I also got a TW sub recommended to me.

Looks like AZKi is making a post-graduation ritual in Mt. Takao.

 

[dkn2038]

Average finana degeneracy

 

[Planetary Bombardment]

Car Giraffe is collabing with a FLESH MALE.


E: Current Leaderboard

 

[lakyus]

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

My oshis birthday....

 

[Realticule]

We will permit @Realticule turn the Dream stans into meat.

Isn't their whole thing being turned into chairs?

 

[Punished Anime Discusser]

Isn't their whole thing being turned into chairs?

Isn't your whole thing sitting in the chair?

 

[Paladin]

More fucking docs

Edit: Archive

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First of all and most important thing to point out, I want to clarify that I don’t want to compare my situation with others, I am well aware that the other statements are much more painful, and on a personal level, which I think it’s always worse than professional.
I’m mainly writing this to vent all the emotions of something that I was scared to talk about before, as a professional artist.
Second, I don’t want any kind of public reaction to this, I really do not want to appear on videos or similar. I do not want my case being used as an excuse to put more hate into it, I just want to share and let it out my chest. I’ll probably delete it in the end.
Third, it may look like I want to ride the wave of drama, but for me this confession has more cons than pros, that’s why I was thinking if I should do it or not. At least I know that people that really know me know that my intentions with this are purely emotional venting. So please, do not follow me, share my art or whatever for pity or drama, it would be the worst feeling.

CONTEXT:

As you may know I’m Nixeu, a digital artist, and like many artists on Twitter, we are fighting to survive, keep our art on your tl, but it's been very difficult lately.
In my case it was worse because my main account is shadowbanned for 2 years now, due a hacking problem, so I had to start again.
A few months ago I had the idea of “if I can’t reach people with my profile, maybe I can do it through art collabs with vtubers”
Some people told me that it was not worth it but I wanted to try.
So I made this post:

I was offering a business collab, a free illustration for them to use as they want, merch included (something bigger should be discussed ofc) but from the beginning I was saying that I needed the Patreon shoutout to compensate for the commission costs.

I contacted some vtubers I was interested in working with, because I liked their design and I thought it would be worth the deal.
For me, a full drawing takes me a lot of time, effort… and I also have to take care of everything by myself, Patreon included, so I was looking for 1/1 deals, something that both sides can gain something from.

One of them was Sinder, so I contacted her by email.

I was asking her if she would be interested in that kind of collaboration, about Patreon and showing a few examples with my art. I did the same with others.

Many people were interested in the end and I was incredibly happy.
I received a twitter dm from her, interested in my proposal. I can’t describe how happy I was at that moment, only close people know.

To be honest everything was going well, RED was answering from time to time but I understood that they were very busy at that moment.

As you can see here I’m repeating the conditions and how the collab is about free art for a Patreon shoutout (this is important because it will be the main problem here)

After that, they asked me in a more professional way about the details.
It was ok, but they told me in the beginning that any outfit would be ok… but to be honest I just thought that was completely normal, and that they were just taking it more professionally

So for me it was fine, and I just repeated the conditions with even more details, because they were asking for extras as layers, to do an animation I think and the NSFW version for her Fansly. So I tried to explain to them that as this was a 1/1 collab, the art was free for her, the only thing that was worth it for me was the shoutout, for the NSFW version. Because otherwise it would just be me working for free.

They agreed with all the conditions as you can see here:

I remember that I was in the stream again and I literally jumped when I saw they agreed, super happy. My viewers were laughing a lot because I was for minutes doing sounds of happiness because I couldn't contain my excitement.
From that moment I started to think about more poses, doing tests, color palettes, which style would be better…


So I started working hard on the “commission”, showing them different options as you can see here. Their answers were very positive in general so I was happy BUT after the third time I talked about the conditions, the ones they knew from the beginning, something changed, when the drawing was half way already (and I was streaming the process)

I honestly don’t know if I did something wrong or they felt bad about the second proposal, I just thought that, as my patrons and people liked the B option, it would be good for both of us to do both, maybe it sounded greedy but that was not my intention AT ALL.
Even so, they could tell me that it was too much and I’d completely understand and step back, but they just told me this instead:

At that moment I was so sad that I was not even able to cry, I was just devastated. Maybe you think that I’m too weak or overreacting, I’d understand because others could react differently. But I come from many bad situations feeling that my art is not worth anything anymore, my acc is shadowbanned, I got ghosted many times and this situation was making me think that I may have some value after all. So that answer, after me emphasizing the conditions over and over and them agreeing with everything… I was done.
So from here on I asked someone to help me with the formulations from here on to the end of this whole thing, to make it clear why this was not acceptable for me while still being diplomatic about it. It resulted in this:

Again, here i was just trying to stay professional without causing any problems, because by that time I was streaming the drawing process with people in my chat being super into the drawing and her as a Vtuber, happy for me, while I was feeling miserable inside, pretending that everything was fine and I was happy.

They answered with “it was a confusion, let’s keep it”, but I was still feeling that something was not ok.
Even so I finished the drawing, they seemed interested too so I had some hope that it was just a misunderstanding.

I talked to them about the NSFW Version because again, that was the special thing to show to compensate for the free art (reminder: this was never a simple fanart but a 1/1 collab)

They told me that was too much for the stream so I fixed it for the stream, after that no answers until I sent to them the art pack with all the versions for them to use, except for the complete NSFW version because that was the deal.

After they told me that they did the promotion, something was smelling weird to me so I checked the clip, where she was visually uncomfortable, showing my art, not the nsfw, barely mentioning my Patreon at all, just in a fast “look at the text in the bottom here, maybe there is something there” and telling her community that they can find me in an art RT she did.

So I felt scammed, she showed my art? Yes, but there's a big difference between our deal and what she did. I left the choice about how long they want to talk about this on stream to everyone who did this collab with me, but not even mentioning Patreon directly was not part of that choice. Maybe for people that do not think much she was as always, but for me she was clearly doing something she didn’t want to.
In the end I’m still glad that thanks to that, some people found me and they are happy about that too, but my experience was bad, if we think about this as a professional deal, I worked for weeks essentially for free.

I wanted to talk about this from an artist's perspective, if you are uncomfortable with a deal, just do not take it in the first place, if in the end you are going to try to throw the artist away.
I can understand misunderstandings, more with me because I’m still learning proper English, but I think I was pretty clear and I stated the conditions like 4 times.

I felt guilty because I was thinking that I did something wrong, I was scared to talk about this because I think maybe it’s not a big deal for many people and it’s super personal, and I felt unworthy, because when you see 0 interest even when you try your best, you start feeling that maybe you're not good enough.
So this is not to make you feel worse towards one person, it’s more like a scream to tell you that an artist is a person too, please treat your artists well, honor your professional deals and respect people around you.

Thanks for reading.

 

[Punished Anime Discusser]

More fucking docs

The upload limit is like three bits these days so:
snoop_dogg_WHO.mp4