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Superduper Samurai

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Everyone else has already done a good job at picking apart what he actually said, so I'll just once again reiterate that luwud should kill himself as soon as possible.



I think the important thing about Phase's image is that because so many of the talents have openly ripped into him publicly over the years (both with actual gripes and as a joke), it makes the times they praise him feel more earnest. It paints a much more believable picture of how the dynamic works than if they were only singing his praises, which would be easy to see as either mandated, or them being scared of losing their jobs.
hmm i wonder if we have any good examples of someone doing it in a forced way
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it honestly slips my mind.....
 

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So this is it, this is why they bought out all those small Vtuber groups

All five Brave Group fans will be pretty happy to see this, I'm sure.
 

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It's a bummer when vtubers with cleavage mostly use alt more conservative outfits or position their model so only their face is on screen.
 

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It's a bummer when vtubers with cleavage mostly use alt more conservative outfits or position their model so only their face is on screen.
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Huh, would have thought you'd be into that sort of thing.
 

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Crazy how every one is talking about how good of a boss Sakana is after one of his talents brought managers on stream to talk about how nothing is ever good enough for him and then said talent got stealth suspended right afterwards.
 

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It's a bummer when vtubers with cleavage mostly use alt more conservative outfits or position their model so only their face is on screen.
Dropped into the dumpster. If you choose a big bouncy model I expect big bouncy streams. I will Oshi vtubers who have no chest at all because they're unique and entertaining, but if I'm advertised boing boings, I want to see boing boings.
E I thought I was on the Pippa board :urtearingmeapart:
 

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Why do people act as if going public was the main cause for talents leaving?
Especially when Yagoo still holds the majority shares and most of the other investors hold non-voting shares.

Anyhow looks like Koa has also finally regained her monetization.
 

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I think the important thing about Phase's image is that because so many of the talents have openly ripped into him publicly over the years (both with actual gripes and as a joke), it makes the times they praise him feel more earnest. It paints a much more believable picture of how the dynamic works than if they were only singing his praises, which would be easy to see as either mandated, or them being scared of losing their jobs.

I think you're forgetting a rather important factor; power dynamics. When it first started up, Phase was an unknown company with no prospects of success in a sea of other unknown companies with no prospects. When talents became successful in spite of Sakana's efforts, they and their fanbases were able to tell him to shut up and sit down, as failing to listen to them would ruin the company while not hurting the talents in any significant way.

His choices were to either listen to his own ego and destroy Phase Connect, or give in and let the talents continue making him a success. Now since Sakana is obviously a good businessman who doesn't put his ego ahead of the objectively profitable course of action, he chose the sensible course.

Now however, the power dynamic is the other way around. Sakana has connections and power that he simply didn't have at the start of Phase Connect. He doesn't need to listen to the talents anymore to be profitable or successful. I am not saying he doesn't listen, but I am saying that from a pragmatic viewpoint, it is no longer a major business concern of his. Nowadays, the talents need to fear displeasing Sakana's wishes vastly more than Sakana needs to fear displeasing the wishes of his talents. Phase is now big enough that any two or three big names could leave and the company would still be perfectly viable.

To put it simply, I don't buy into the idea that the early dynamic that catapulted Phase to success remains the status quo. I also think that there are many pragmatic reasons to maintain the image that it is still the dynamic. Sakana is a Chinese businessman with a great deal of power and money. It is extremely beneficial for him to hide and obfuscate these facts behind a persona that paints him as a lovably ineffectual goofball who sleeps in a dog basket and lets tiny menhera women yell at him while he thinks about coffee.
 

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His choices were to either listen to his own ego and destroy Phase Connect, or give in and let the talents continue making him a success
reminder: kevin almost killed the company by not hiring a manager
 

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reminder: kevin almost killed the company by not hiring a manager
There were only 3 entire Pippa breakdowns over this (that I can remember) a couple other talents mentioning how shit the first year was, and then I think Dizzy and someone else just flat out talking about all the dumb shit Sakana did, and literally everyone in Gen 1 mentioning that if Muumi wasn't hired the company would've died. But what do they know, right?
 

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reminder: kevin almost killed the company by not hiring a manager

That's the incident I was referring to. Keyword there being almost. He eventually realized he didn't have the power to simply go on without listening to the demands of his talents.

There were only 3 entire Pippa breakdowns over this (that I can remember) a couple other talents mentioning how shit the first year was, and then I think Dizzy and someone else just flat out talking about all the dumb shit Sakana did, and literally everyone in Gen 1 mentioning that if Muumi wasn't hired the company would've died. But what do they know, right?

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There were only 3 entire Pippa breakdowns over this (that I can remember) a couple other talents mentioning how shit the first year was, and then I think Dizzy and someone else just flat out talking about all the dumb shit Sakana did, and literally everyone in Gen 1 mentioning that if Muumi wasn't hired the company would've died. But what do they know, right?
But he did end up hiring her and eventually added more managers so he did apparently learn.
 

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That's the incident I was referring to. Keyword there being almost. He eventually realized he didn't have the power to simply go on without listening to the demands of his talents.
Just saying sakana isnt cool genius hes just learning as he does it, like more recently he shat the bed with merch where even his own talents were shitting on it so you know, hes still not there
 

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Just saying sakana isnt cool genius hes just learning as he does it, like more recently he shat the bed with merch where even his own talents were shitting on it so you know, hes still not there

When your competition in a footrace are all earthworms, you hardly need to be an Olympic sprinter to win first place.
 

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When your competition in a footrace are all earthworms, you hardly need to be an Olympic sprinter to win first place.
Except like his competition there is kawa. The dudes making good quality shit for everyone at this point.
 

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That's the incident I was referring to. Keyword there being almost. He eventually realized he didn't have the power to simply go on without listening to the demands of his talents.



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Does anyone who is not a harine even deny that the first year was pretty bad for PC?
is this even a newfag thing by now?
 

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Now however, the power dynamic is the other way around. Sakana has connections and power that he simply didn't have at the start of Phase Connect. He doesn't need to listen to the talents anymore to be profitable or successful. I am not saying he doesn't listen, but I am saying that from a pragmatic viewpoint, it is no longer a major business concern of his. Nowadays, the talents need to fear displeasing Sakana's wishes vastly more than Sakana needs to fear displeasing the wishes of his talents. Phase is now big enough that any two or three big names could leave and the company would still be perfectly viable.
I agree with the overall point of your post, but I think you're overestimating Sakana's position in PC. No vtuber corpo is immortal or infallable, and while Phase may be able to survive a yab that drives off one or several major talents in the most basic sense, there's no guarantee they wouldn't become a Niji-level pariah in the western community (which is much more dangerous to PC, since their presence in Japan is basically non-existent by comparison to the West). Losing Pippa alone could be a death knell, not to mention Tenma, Lia, Lumi, Uruka; hell, bleeding enough of the smaller talents (all of whom have active and dedicated fanbases whom would most likely cause drama and pull their donations/merch purchases should their be a controversial breakup between them and PC) would prove damaging to a company which so far has had basically no major drama and thrives off their positive reputation in the western sphere. Sakana absolutely does still need to listen to his talents if he wants to remain at the level of success PC is currently at, potentially to remain successful at all.
 

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Phase is now big enough that any two or three big names could leave and the company would still be perfectly viable.
I think that the company could survive a couple people leaving on their own terms for their own reasons, but at least Pippa is probably still a load-bearing talent in that if her departure isn't on good terms, or worse, is involuntary, it might be a mortal wound even if they don't immediately collapse.
 

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I think that the company could survive a couple people leaving on their own terms for their own reasons, but at least Pippa is probably still a load-bearing talent in that if her departure isn't on good terms, or worse, is involuntary, it might be a mortal wound even if they don't immediately collapse.
I keep saying this, but if Pippa left on the most amicable of circumstances, the Harine collapse would fucking RUIN the PC fanbase.
 

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