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Marimaris first eye tracker stream

Talking about how there are a lot of bike thefts where she lives so she doesn't want to bike to the gym
 

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You're all coming to the debut of IRyS's new original song, right? Two minutes until it starts.

Kanauru really making bank these days being the go-to 3D MV guy for Holos.
 

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Marimaris first eye tracker stream

Talking about how there are a lot of bike thefts where she lives so she doesn't want to bike to the gym

Has Mari Mari thought about the person stealing the bike would be happier with the bike than she would be sad for not having it?

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Egg the Boiled

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I don't get the point of buying merch of someone who's not around anymore tbh, just wait until their reincarnation drops merch and be done with it.
I could see people buying it if they like the design. There's a few reincarnated vtubers where their corpo designs are better then their current indie ones.

Or maybe there'd be people who feel sentimental for their oshi's past life.

Christ what did she do to herself.
 

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To be honest, I don't give a shit about the hololive brand or Cover. I expect they will eventually go to shit. I only care about the talents, particularly my oshis. Once Cover and Holo stop enabling the talents to do their thing and they move on is when I do.
I LIVE AND DIE BY THE COVER CREED, I MADE A BLOOD PACT, NO MATTER WHAT I WILL RESURRECT NYFCO AND SHIT ON ALL EX-HOLOS.
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I was browsing youtube and I got this community post from clara 'Die from sepsis' kaminari
KonKaminari~I wrote a bit about it on twitter, but as you've probably noticed from the last few streams, my PC is... dying.I went out to buy parts today and asked the shop to put it together for me because while I COULD build it myself... I ain't got time for that. So it will come at the latest next month. Japanese places are known to give you a longer estimate by a longshot usually so I have hope it will come earlier!!Until then it will probably most likely be a lot of handcams as even karaoke is killing my PC. I tested out opening vts, chrome, and obs all at the same time and... well... CPU 88% memory 91%.I'll be back on monday (sunday depending on your time zone) because I've got some things to record this weekend! I'm asking Airi if we're watching THE GRINCH (Jim Carrey) this week on the KA-CHING!! channel with members. If we are, I'll be on my own channel for euro hours!
I still can't believe these women are this fucking tech illiterate. Bitch you probably got a virus and you go on to buy a prebuilt of all things:whatastory: I also saw pippa had some tech issues like a week ago and was going to replace her pc too when it sounded like it was just a mobo issue.

Anyway have some cursed shit from a nigga with too much time and 3d modelling skills that I found on the clip tag
 

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Didn't realize Shylily's Gamersupps outfit was an actual model/new outfit
 

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HoloKoshien is starting.

PekoMari is also doing a watchalong.


RK Music's Xiden unlocks her membership and will be streaming at 5PM JST.

She named her fans aXIs and member tiers are colour coded axis members. Interesting name.

VSpo's Sendo Yuuhi after she gets more comfortable interacting with people in VCR Minecraft.


Re:AcT's Korean branch first gen will have four members.

With links to the Vtubers, all having Japanese names....

VSpo's Komori Met got forced by Fatalis to say the yab word.

Embarrassed Messan is extremely cute.
 

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Maybe this is just bait, but I dont get this mentality of gauging the "rightness" of decisions over "financial reports"
Humans are more than just numbers on a sheet of paper. Most viewers would prefer companies prioritize talent's happiness even if it means tanking financially. E.g. pulling out of china vs terminate coco.

Letting ame and aqua go was the right decision, when the alternative is just let them rot and not streaming. Both are now happy where they are. On the other hand we got ame into doing en reco/holo GTA and aqua doing her 120? consecutive days of streaming. Which would have been skipped entirely if they weren't graduating. Hololive really milked the shit out of aqua for the 5 months leading up to her graduation

even if you just look at the numbers, holo just had their biggest debuts ever with 190k ccv. There are definitely more eyes on holo than when aqua/ame was afk not doing anything last year. Whether they can capitalize on these eyes is another matter.

Tl;dr alot more things to look at rather than just "earnings"
Even if you look at it from the money perspective, at least in Ame's cause, it's a non issue. She's admitted she's been doing rigging work and what not, she created/commissioned numerous models, the whole VR worlds used where her creations, and she owns none of them. This isn't even a "fuck Japanese companies" thing, it's universal that anything you create on the company dime/time belongs to them.

So she can leave and own what she creates, as opposed to getting a backend of the revenue, and a nice resume for clients. It's a win creatively, and monetarily.

I had initially assumed she was going to go full producer mode, but admit I was wrong, she loves to do both. Now she can reap the rewards from doing both.
 

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late but Delutaya doing another chatting/singing stream.


She mentioned of maybe doing a Valorant stream but on Twitch.
 

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Honestly I kinda liked her bootleg KosMOS design more compared to... whatever the new one is.
Well at least with this one you can just stick her giant ass plug tail into the charger.
 

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Maybe this is just bait, but I dont get this mentality of gauging the "rightness" of decisions over "financial reports"
Humans are more than just numbers on a sheet of paper. Most viewers would prefer companies prioritize talent's happiness even if it means tanking financially. E.g. pulling out of china vs terminate coco.

Letting ame and aqua go was the right decision, when the alternative is just let them rot and not streaming. Both are now happy where they are. On the other hand we got ame into doing en reco/holo GTA and aqua doing her 120? consecutive days of streaming. Which would have been skipped entirely if they weren't graduating. Hololive really milked the shit out of aqua for the 5 months leading up to her graduation

even if you just look at the numbers, holo just had their biggest debuts ever with 190k ccv. There are definitely more eyes on holo than when aqua/ame was afk not doing anything last year. Whether they can capitalize on these eyes is another matter.

Tl;dr alot more things to look at rather than just "earnings"
Maybe it wasn't clear, but I'm not measuring "right or wrong", but "goals and results". COVER goal is, in the end, to profit, but there's different ways to it. Going back to China is a controversial path, but it's one of the shortest for an explosive rise in revenue, as long as it works. Letting go of huge earners and in Aqua's case, part of the backbone of your brand, is also failing in compromise from both parties, which is more of a loss for COVER than it is for Aqua, but if they measured what she wanted to do and it wasn't worth to keep her around, the only choice was to milk it, as you said, and split -in this particular case, I don't see how Aqua's coasting would be a liability for the company, even if they let her sit by the backburner, so I suspect there's more details to this than anyone is aware of and will ever be because they split amicably.
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One 3h+ stream a week doesn't seem unreasonable to me for someone her size, but that's my humble tard opinion because holding the brand itself would allow for consistent profit with the Aqua character herself.
Didn't they both choose to graduate? What do you think Cover is supposed to do if the girls want to graduate and Cover doesn't want them to?
That enters the part of "they didn't share the information" and could go any way. Copyrights and whatnot are hell to deal with, so it makes sense to remove yourself if you feel you're always losing after dedicating years to your boss, but you never see a satisfied employee leave, unless they're being scooped by a rival workplace.


Didn't realize Shylily's Gamersupps outfit was an actual model/new outfit

The tits with the zipper open look like a frontal buttcrack.
 

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I guess Sayu has to change her artist since her previous one has retired. :raoraItalian:
 

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Sh4gg1

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Arya guerilla APEX
 

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COVER goal is, in the end, to profit, but there's different ways to it. Going back to China is a controversial path, but it's one of the shortest for an explosive rise in revenue, as long as it works
Nah, China/Bilibili regular streaming ain't coming back. IIRC, China's new rules and regulations about streaming pretty much kills any chance of Cover going back to the market. No sane corpo with streaming as one of their main sources of revenue in the market should dare dip its toe back in there with all the new restrictions and vague verbiage they have in the guidelines:

It may be interesting as a matter of broadening our perspective...
> 用户理解并承诺,主播皮肤的设计方案不得存在任何以下类型的“动态预设动作”元素和设计方案:不得存在任何具有性暗示、性挑逗性质或擦边低俗色情的行为或表演,包括但不限于抚摸敏感部位、撩衣服、表演脱衣舞、模拟性姿势、展示诱惑动作、有走光风险的动作、互相抚摸等让人产生性幻想的动作等;

Avatars cannot have any sexual expressions, suggestive elements or performances, incl. but not lim. to touching sensitive parts, suggestive clothing, striptease, simulating sexual postures, enticing movements, or other elements and motions that entice the imagination in a sexual fashion.

> 不得存在任何暴露突出敏感部位,或进行任何诱导观众关注性敏感部位和性敏感衣物道具的行为,包括但不限于展示暗示性器官、提内衣、脱穿丝袜等;

No exposure of sensitive parts or enticing audience focus on sensitive parts, clothing or items, incl. but not lim. to suggestions of sexual organs, mentions of underwear, removing pantyhose, etc

> 不得存在利用Furry兽文化向虚拟形象进行任何具有性暗示、性挑逗性质或擦边低俗色情的行为或表演,包括但不限于交尾、抚摸肢体等色情或暧昧动作;

No furry culture ( :kekw:) or its influence and no mentions of it, or such sexual performance, incl but not lim to crossing tails (??) touching th body and other intimate actions.

> 不得存在任何其他违反公序良俗的“动态预设动作”的元素和设计方案。

No other performance or elements which disrupt public morals. (VAGUE)

> 用户理解并承诺,皮肤的设计方案不得存在任何可能造成观众不良反应的元素和设计方案:

Users (streamers) understand and promise that the avatar and its usage do not contain elements that cause the audience to have immoral reactions.

> 不得使用昆虫、密集恐惧症等可能引起观众不适宜的内容或元素;

No usage of insects (rip juniper), or phobia inducting elements which can cause ill feelings/reactions in the audience.

> 不得使用恶搞、恶趣味、特意扮丑或讽刺他人等元素;

No malicious pranks, ill taste, or intentional denigration or mockery of others in elements of design.

> 不得故意突出或只有手部、脚部、腰部及敏感部位等;

No intentionally exposing (Emphasizing?) hand, waist, feet and other sensitive parts (a little confusion on my parts here; I think you can't tease just a body part)

> 不得使用其他任何可能造成观众不适、或潜在会引起观众不适的设计方案。

No use of anything else to cause the audience discomfort, overtly or subtly

> 用户理解并承诺,皮肤的设计方案不得违反主播直播规范中关于“主播着装和场景”的规范,具体包括但不限于以下类型的设计方案:

Users understand and promise the avatar's usage does not violate any of the <<Streamer Attire and Scenery Rules>> incl but not lim to below:

> 不得使用任何赤裸的设计方案;

No nudity

> 不得穿着情趣制服内衣(如透视装等)、内衣外穿、SM装束或印有低俗等不当图案的衣服等;

No wearing perceptible underwear with a sexual intent, wearing underwear outside, S/M gear or other low and unseemly clothing

> 不得刻意露出胸罩、底裤、内裤、丝袜、吊带内裤、吊袜带、肚兜、兜裆布等;

No intentionally exposing chest, underwear (?), underwear, pantyhose, suspender underwear, garter belt, (2 kinds of traditional Chinese innerwear its the same idea) etc

> 男性主播皮肤不得仅穿着三角或四角及类似内衣的服装,且裤腰不得低于胯骨;

Male streamer avatars must not wear 3 point or 4 point underwear (no speedos) and the waist shall not be below the hip bone

> 女性主播皮肤的背部的裸露部位不得超过上半部的三分之二以上即腰节线以上;

Female streamer avatar back exposure shall not expose more than 2/3 of the upper back, above the waist line

> 女性主播皮肤的下装腰部应当穿到骨盆以上,短裙或短裤下摆不得高于臀下线;

Female streamer avatar lower wear shall cover up and over the hip bone; shorts and skirts cannot be above the lower hip line

> 女性主播皮肤的胸部裸露面积不得超过的胸部三分之一,上装最低不得超过胸部三分之一的位置;

Female streamer chest exposure shall not exceed 1/3 of chest, lowest point of upper clothing shall not be lower than 1/3 of the distance from top of chest

> 不得存在其他形式裸露或刻意露出性敏感部位的元素和设计方案。

Other forms of sexual exposure are similarly prohibited.

> 用户理解并承诺,主播皮肤的设计方案不得违反法律、法规以及其他规范性文件以及哔哩哔哩其他平台规则。举例如下:

Users understand and promise no elements of the avatar's usage and design elements violate laws and bilibili platform rules such as blow:

> 禁止模仿、丑化或亵渎国家、政治人物、历史人物、革命英雄等人物形象;

Imitation of or mockery of the country, political and historical figures, heroes of the revolution etc

> 禁止使用违法、暴力惊悚、色情低俗、广告营销等元素;

No depictions of law breaking, violence and shock, sexual, and commercial advertisement in elements of the avatar (they mention earlier to go through bilibili business management for commercial collaborations)

> 禁止使用国家党政机关、事业单位、国内外军政等制服或元素;

No depictions of national, military or party offices, positions, military uniforms in the avatar design

> 禁止使用封建迷信、反动、邪教类等元素;

No use of pre-revolutionary superstitious elements, seditious elements, or forbidden religious elements

> 禁止使用赌博工具、性用品、内衣等涉及不雅违禁的内容物品作为表演道具;

No use of gambling tools, sex toys, clothing and other immoral items as props (rip m0istcr1tikal)

> 禁止使用色情元素内容,如黄油、高潮脸等;

No use of content with a sexual nature

> 禁止其他违反中国法律、法规以及其他规范性文件以及哔哩哔哩其他平台规则的设计方案。

No elements that violate other Chinese law and bilibili platform rules

> 用户理解并承诺,主播皮肤的设计方案仅使用用户原创或取得合法授权的元素或设计方案,不得使用任何未获得授权的元素。若涉及第三方授权的,用户应当在直播间显著位置或简介处注明授权来源。授权元素包括但不限于:人物的肖像;商标、著作物等;其他第三方持有权利的元素。

Users understand and promise the avatar and its use does not contain elements in violation of trademark and copyright.

Also, if you manage to get to 500k subs, you're required to display your real name on your profile. You can probably sell merch and do license tie-ups/events, but as far as Holos streaming regularly on Bilibili are concerned, they're probably limited to guesting on a partner's channel for the occasional event/campaign. Having their own channels/accounts pretty much ensures they self-doxx if/when they reach 500k subs.
 

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God's Strongest Dragoon

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Nah, China/Bilibili regular streaming ain't coming back. IIRC, China's new rules and regulations about streaming pretty much kills any chance of Cover going back to the market:
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Basically, if you have 500k subs, you're required to display your real name on your profile. I remember this being discussed extensively back in KW when it was first announced. You can probably sell merch and do license tie-ups/events, but as far as Holos streaming regularly on Bilibili are concerned, they're probably limited to guesting on a partner's channel for the occasional event/campaign. Having their own channels/accounts pretty much ensures they self-doxx if/when they reach 500k subs.
"Hello, my name is Motoaki Tanigo. Welcome to my 73rd channel on Bilibili."
 

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