General Thread v3: The Hexagone

[White Stone]

Or if you want some tits, there's Reya making the TTRPG setup for both players and viewers to interact with the adventure, making everyone engaged

Hey I know this one, but only because she has worked on several Hololive projects, including one that is happening in 8 hours.

You should've used Coco's "being bullied into graduating" argument instead, considering how they removed the character from everywhere, including their own website at the peak of the CCP drama.

I think I need a source for this one. I remember her being excluded from events in the official channel, but not the website.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

The vast network they have spread out would allow them to do much, much more, and with all the middle management at hand they'd be able to organize gen-wide events more consistently. As I said before, Holo should be able to do EnReco-tier stuff once a month, or bimonthly if they're so keen in not overworking talents and artists.
Money comes and goes, after reaching a certain level it stops being a goal and it becomes a tool that you need to know how to use.
JP Corpo autism is definitely the key factor stopping them from letting talents make more stuff that will bring more value to the brand, be it as something simple as Kiara Talk Show or more elaborate like Fauna's goodbye roleplay event.

I did say that JP fuckery leads them to not being able to do shit like that, but my major issue is that even with total freedom it does still seem like somehow a JP corpo with all of its bureaucratic fuckery still sometimes upstages some of the work major Indies do, to the point where there are at best well done but somewhat basic concerts done, instead of sprawling collabs that turn heads like Enreco or GTA, it seems to also be an issue for the larger indies

Shindigs shows a lot of interesting stuff, he uses his platform to bring more light to that side of vtubing (needs updates):

I will concede and have acknowledged that small indies have creative uses of their tech compared to Holo even, but my issue is that the bigger indies sometimes play it too safe even compared to JP corpos, even NijiEN like i said had some more out of the box stuff. The bracket of indies that would've had have a snowball's chance in hell of outpopularizing the corpo crews still play it a bit safer

He is a retard for seething at a popularity contest, but I can at least agree with the feeling of many being left aside for the dorito/rainbow/hoes. I think the way you put the hidden work that never sees the light of the day is the same as the public effort that gets no recognition for good indies.
It's still a fact that in the case of Holo, they got support like no other, even if the price is undergoing constant musical training (which many would have experience or seek it anyway, considering they auditioned for Hololive).

People are left aside because it wasnt their opportunity to shine, it was the popular kids, the reasons why some think he is a retard as you said or Lucy Pyre is that they could put their money where their mouth are and sponsor, organize, or atleast advertise for a celebration of more true indies instead of seething that its all Corpo fuckery (Because to an extent, even Mythic and Gamersupps is corpo fuckery, just not in the Vtubing sense). I'm sure most of us here would love to see alot of 2-views get celebrated

 

[The Proctor]

Apparently, Uwoslab, one of the nominees for best tech vtuber was caught shitting on Hololive during his watchalong of the award stream.

I'm on mobile right now so it's hard for me to share the moments, but here is the reddit link of someone sharing it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/s/FhZuaInnhj

Edit: Someone here might want to archive the post as many of the replies are like "don't give him attention" so I wouldn't be surprised if it gets deleted.

I've heard rumours from several different quarters that Uwuslab has gotten massively shat on and ostracised by the seething Twitch femoid crowds for not being an ultrasimp soyboy and daring to have a tiny bit of skill, success and masculinity. There's very definitely a lot of people who deeply loathe him for not being the feeble numale stereotype, which automatically predisposes me towards liking his takes.

 

[Kanna's Glowiest Assistant]

As a semi-regular viewer, I'm gonna try to more or less defend Uwo. To get this out of the way first, in those clips he's joking, but there's definitely some real seethe underneath. Having said that, the dude's just acerbic like that and he's just reacting to the awards in the way he interacts with his chat: Give what he sees as a dumb suggestion and he'll call you a retard, we've all been there and rolling with those punches is part of the fun. I'll also add that the other indies he's met in person at Offkai have nothing but nice things to say about him.
And I get the point of the frustration, his content is a gonzo technical/DIY square peg in the round hole of the idol-adjacent culture that the big JP agencies created and even Twitch indies follow, because it's reinforced by the audience's expectations. I was just watching Technology Connection's latest video, in which he jury-rigged an EV plug into a 7.5 kW space heater for his garage

Very similar content to what Uwo does, 800k views in 2 days, will probably rake in millions over the years. He'd be huge if he managed to capture even a fraction of that for his streams, and in general it's the kind of niche male vtubers should be staking their differentiating factors in (I don't trust the average girlfailure that gets posted here to change a lightbulb without causing a neighbourhood-wide blackout), but that right now falls into a limbo because the average male vtuber viewer is here for songs, dances and video game playthoughs and GFE, and the average man who watches dudes fuck around in their toolshed will be put off by the guy doing that as an anime boy, even if Uwo uses the least repellent version possible: a fugi with minimal anime artstyle. The Venn diagram is unfortunately narrow.

Ok, then why the fuck is he a VTuber? If he gains nothing from it, then there is no reason for him to try and pander to an audience that doesn't care for his content. Sounds like this all is self-inflicted dumbassery.

To preserve his anonymity while keeping a reactive human-like figure for audience retention, I presume. Plus it's not like he despises the medium, he has a circle of indies he regularly interacts with. Others here have said he's been following the scene since the /jp/ days, I wouldn't know. I don't have to agree with all his takes.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

I've heard rumours from several different quarters that Uwuslab has gotten massively shat on and ostracised by the seething Twitch femoid crowds for not being an ultrasimp soyboy and daring to have a tiny bit of skill, success and masculinity. There's very definitely a lot of people who deeply loathe him for not being the feeble numale stereotype, which automatically predisposes me towards liking his takes.

maybe you should like his takes based on their merit instead of because he makes the crab bucket seethe. Its not even that hard to make that crowd seethe

 

[El Rrata]

but that right now falls into a limbo because the average vtuber viewer is here for songs, dances and video game playthoughs, and the average dude who watches dudes fuck around in their toolshed will be put off by the guy doing that as an anime boy, even if Uwo uses the least repellent version possible: a fugi with minimal anime artstyle. The Venn diagram is unfortunately narrow.

Ok, then why the fuck is he a VTuber? If he gains nothing from it, then there is no reason for him to try and pander to an audience that doesn't care for his content. Sounds like this all is self-inflicted dumbassery.

 

[God's Strongest Wardog]

Ok, then why the fuck is he a VTuber? If he gains nothing from it, then there is no reason for him to try and pander to an audience that doesn't care for his content. Sounds like this all is self-inflicted dumbassery.

You just don't get the genius of dunking your balls in soy sauce.

 

[shipmate_F]

I'm talking about you, Yamanba. The person who repeats mindless /vt/ takes and thinks Fauna is GFE because reasons.

I don't post my oshi here, retard. It's not my fault any anon share a view, this is not a big bubble.
And I clarified the Fauna thing is just my perspective, I don't fucking care because you see her audience and you instantly got the vibe, someone needs to listen to old ASMR and check chat, she will now probably double down in indie life. Good luck.

Ok, then why the fuck is he a VTuber? If he gains nothing from it, then there is no reason for him to try and pander to an audience that doesn't care for his content. Sounds like this all is self-inflicted dumbassery.

Opsec. He doesn't want his coworkers and family to know he's doing stupid shit online.

You just don't get the genius of dunking your balls in soy sauce.

Like this.

 

[I Wanna Die]

I've heard rumours from several different quarters that Uwuslab has gotten massively shat on and ostracised by the seething Twitch femoid crowds for not being an ultrasimp soyboy and daring to have a tiny bit of skill, success and masculinity. There's very definitely a lot of people who deeply loathe him for not being the feeble numale stereotype, which automatically predisposes me towards liking his takes.

So you like him cause he is what you'll never be, masculine.

 

[El Rrata]

And I clarified the Fauna thing is just my perspective, I don't fucking care because you see her audience and you instantly got the vibe, someone needs to listen to old ASMR and check chat, she will now probably double down in indie life. Good luck.

Like I said "reasons"

Opsec. He doesn't want his coworkers and family to know he's doing stupid shit online.

He doesn't need to be a VTuber to be anonymous. Sounds like he's just a bandwagoner and is whining because the only male VTubers that are popular are BFE, like Kuzuha or at least that's instantly the vibe I got when I saw his fanbase.

 

[VSoyBoy]

Really impressive effort by everyone to try and get to 1000 pages before the end of the year by arguing about shit like this.
Proud of you boys!

 

[Dispirited Helmet]

It's not about not liking Hololive, it's the obvious seething, then coping "it's just a bit, he's only pretending to be retarded!" Only for it to come out that he's really not pretending.

You can Migo me all you want, your precious fagaloon is a gotten to bitch.

Say what you will about @shipmate_F, at least they didn't start bitching about a Migo

 

[frz]

I did say that JP fuckery leads them to not being able to do shit like that, but my major issue is that even with total freedom it does still seem like somehow a JP corpo with all of its bureaucratic fuckery still sometimes upstages some of the work major Indies do, to the point where there are at best well done but somewhat basic concerts done, instead of sprawling collabs that turn heads like Enreco or GTA, it seems to also be an issue for the larger indies

I will concede and have acknowledged that small indies have creative uses of their tech compared to Holo even, but my issue is that the bigger indies sometimes play it too safe even compared to JP corpos, even NijiEN like i said had some more out of the box stuff. The bracket of indies that would've had have a snowball's chance in hell of outpopularizing the corpo crews still play it a bit safer

People are left aside because it wasnt their opportunity to shine, it was the popular kids, the reasons why some think he is a retard as you said or Lucy Pyre is that they could put their money where their mouth are and sponsor, organize, or atleast advertise for a celebration of indies instead of seething that its all Corpo fuckery. I'm sure most of us here would love to see alot of 2-views get celebrated

Just want to say that Lucy Pyre is one of the sadder story of content creation
She went from making interesting FFXIV videos/actually being funny/really clever at manipulating FFXIV emotes/etc. into becoming a worse Bao clone.
It does gain her more audience and good for her that she earns more money?

Very similar content to what Uwo does, 800k views in 2 days, will probably rake in millions over the years. He'd be huge if he managed to capture even a fraction of that for his streams, and in general it's the kind of niche male vtubers should be staking their differentiating factors in (I don't trust the average girlfailure that gets posted here to change a lightbulb without causing a neighbourhood-wide blackout) but that right now falls into a limbo because the average vtuber viewer is here for songs, dances and video game playthoughs and GFE, and the average man who watches dudes fuck around in their toolshed will be put off by the guy doing that as an anime boy, even if Uwo uses the least repellent version possible: a fugi with minimal anime artstyle. The Venn diagram is unfortunately narrow.

I don't think it's right to blame not getting an audience on "average vtuber viewer is here for songs, dances and video game playthoughs"
"Very similar content to what Uwo does" except it isn't. Uwu isn't putting out 30 minutes video that is engaging at every single minutes. These tech video got a lot of view not because of the technology, but because the Youtuber put out an interesting video, which usually are 3 months - 1 year of works condensed into minutes, with multiple behind the scene writers. Those 800k views in 2 days? Maximum 30 of them cared about the technology used in it, the rest just listen without knowing what the fuck any of the technology does. It's the charisma of the youtuber and the way they tells a story using a youtube video that makes people watch.

Vtubing isn't what gating him from being big, not being engaging/funny/having charisma is what holding him back. Streaming everyday on twitch and complaining doesn't help either. I have not seen a single twitch streamer becoming big because of "technology". No flesh streamer ever got big of streaming technology on twitch. Don't blame the vtubing audience for something noone else can do. Because he centered his content around twitch and his videos are usually just highlights of his twitch streams, rather than a video made entirely with Youtube in mind. You can not say he put out the same exact content as the content creator you linked. Most popular science/effort youtuber don't stream on twitch, because they can't invest their full effort into their youtube video doing so.

If you wanna stream on twitch, stream games when you want to unwind and save the science shit for youtube. Putting out less video is actually more for science youtuber regarding the algorithm and how meticulously you can design/plan your video.

 

[Faceless Waifu]

While everyone is busy about things I have no clue (I skipped to latest page), I gonna show a completely different stuff.

Indonesian vtuber from the agency MAHA5, Alia Adelia is going to graduate on 28th December 2024 local Indo time.



The name is probably to most (read: all) of you but I figure I dropped it because the fact that it caught ID people by surprise. She's might be considered an oldie in the ID vtubers era (4 years since her debut on 2020) so that's probably why people were shocked by the news. Either way, she already done her graduation stream and will be dropping her final cover tomorrow before leaving for good.


That's really it, really. I haven't really caught up with vtuber stuff these days.

 

[God's Strongest Wardog]

Say what you will about @shipmate_F, at least they didn't start bitching about a Migo

Only bitch I see here is you.

 

[The Proctor]

So you like him cause he is what you'll never be, masculine.

Come to Vexpo next year, see for yourself.

 

[Smelliest007]

Just want to say that Lucy Pyre is one of the sadder story of content creation
She went from making interesting FFXIV videos/actually being funny/really clever at manipulating FFXIV emotes/etc. into becoming a worse Bao clone.
It does gain her more audience and good for her that she earns more money?

Lucy is such a fucking waste, I really enjoyed her 14 videos. The more she interacted with Bao and her friends, the more that nagging voice in the back of my head told me to unfollow. Then, her subjectively worse newer models, her depression after losing P3R sponsor(?); things changed.

 

[shipmate_F]

He doesn't need to be a VTuber to be anonymous. Sounds like he's just a bandwagoner and is whining because the only male VTubers that are popular are BFE, like Kuzuha or at least that's instantly the vibe I got when I saw his fanbase.

Okay, that is true. He seethes a lot like Bossman about only fags being popular.
But he is serious about vtubing as a medium, he just uses his engineering knowledge because that's what he likes to do.

His audience got gentrified a little bit with the sudden growth, there's a lot of lettersoup individuals and "comfy uwu" lardasses that killed part of the old banter. @Takodachi will probably remember when he was an editor posting his stuff on the boards, people there used to call each other retards and make terrible jokes all the time. It's what happens when you don't filter your audience from the start, but if you filter you risk getting stuck in the 100-400ccv range.

Come to Vexpo next year, see for yourself.

Same energy.

 

[BioBreak]

Come to Vexpo next year, see for yourself.

BUT

 

[sbm]

they do get a salary

I'm surprised this is still floating around as fact. Back during my earlier days as a Hololive fan I dug very thoroughly into the sources for this and concluded that every instance was a case of mistranslation or colloquial speech... except  maybe the one clip of Matsuri talking about her debut days which is far removed from even Myth-era Hololive.

Here's what I found back then:

"Everyone uses 給料 (kyuryo) when talking about their payment, which clippers always translate to salary. However the word can also mean wages, pay, or remuneration. It doesn't always carry the meaning of salary, and even then it can be used colloquially rather having the strict meaning of a fixed amount. Coco used it when talking her and Kanata's first payment, Lui used it when talking about her first pay, Lamy used it when talking about how her compensation went negative during merch production, Matsuri also used it when talking about her income near her debut. I saw one clipper translate Laplus saying 給料 as paycheck but they put salary in the clip title.

"When Kanata said she earned 20000 yen in Feb 2020, she was reading a chat message which used 月給, which does mean monthly salary. However it wasn't her words, it was from the chat message."

I'll also add that Kiara also used salary when talking about her financial issues last year, reading the word "salary" from a chat message, when she clearly meant her monthly revenue payment and not any fixed income.

Furthermore in Cover's IPO documents, and quarterly and yearly financials, there is zero evidence of any fixed income for the talents.

The only assumption I think it could be reasonable to make is Hololive might have a small stipend for talents that aren't yet monetized. But it would still be an assumption without any solid supporting evidence.