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[Aquatic Novellite]

and there have been forays into sub-deployed underwater drones for years now.

I always find this one to be exceptionally funny. Guided torpedos have been a thing since 1943.

 

[Dispirited Helmet]

I always find this one to be exceptionally funny. Guided torpedos have been a thing since 1943.

I was thinking of the Russian Status-6 drones, WW2 guided munitions started out so primitive in comparison to modern tech that I don't really consider them the same thing. Fly by wire torpedoes are not capable of the same independent operations that modern drones are, and you're certainly not getting them back into the sub afterwards.

 

[Furious George]

So from all the Jersey drone reports, looks like the US is pretty much confirmed to be showing off/doing drills with a new submarine stealth drone platform. I'm sure I'm behind the times since I don't go on the farms, but apparently there have been several people who have spotted them coming out of the ocean in large batches now. It was only a matter of time, people have been talking about the possibility of drone subs for years at this point and there have been forays into sub-deployed underwater drones for years now.

The interesting thing to me is that IIRC the new class of US military submarine won't be constructed, much less in service, until the 2030s. I wonder if the US has managed to build full size subs in secret, if they've made drone subs that are completely autonomous and therefore small enough to build without people noticing, or if they've managed to retrofit older subs to deploy them/design the drones to work out of torpedo tubes or something. If they managed to figure out an easy way to get water-to-air stealth drones to deploy out of old subs that's an even bigger deal than a fully modern drone sub would be. Means their deployment would only be limited by drone production, not sub production, and that any US ally could have them (the Australia sub deal comes to mind, for various reasons).

Weird shit. Hopefully we have a little while before the Chinese manage to steal the blueprints.

They wouldn't be able to construct a new class in secret. If they are sub launching drones then they have probably retrofitted an Ohio class like they have already done to a few of the boats as cruise missile platforms. I don't think any of the attack boats are large enough to carry & launch multiple drones of that size. The Virginia's can only piggyback one rescue or special forces sub for example.

 

[CalciumAnimal]

They wouldn't be able to construct a new class in secret. If they are sub launching drones then they have probably retrofitted an Ohio class like they have already done to a few of the boats as cruise missile platforms. I don't think any of the attack boats are large enough to carry & launch multiple drones of that size. The Virginia's can only piggyback one rescue or special forces sub for example.

That's the thing about drones they can be easily assembled on site it could have X ready to deploy at any time and Y ready to be assembled.

Depending on size and materials and other factors it could take as little as 5 minutes between launches

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

and you're certainly not getting them back into the sub afterwards.

but why would you want them back?

 

[Furious George]

That's the thing about drones they can be easily assembled on site it could have X ready to deploy at any time and Y ready to be assembled.

Depending on size and materials and other factors it could take as little as 5 minutes between launches

I had heard that these drones are the size of a car, so a Trident launch tube would be the only practical launcher. An Ohio has 24 tubes so they could be pre-packaged to launch at any time.
It's all theoretical anyway, I don't really see the need for sub launched drones as the US has airfields close to any theatre where they may be needed and can launch Globals to do the job.
Reconnaissance would be the only reason, there is no point in loading them out for attack when a stand off cruise missile would do the job more effectively.

 

[httn]

So from all the Jersey drone reports, looks like the US is pretty much confirmed to be showing off/doing drills with a new submarine stealth drone platform. I'm sure I'm behind the times since I don't go on the farms, but apparently there have been several people who have spotted them coming out of the ocean in large batches now. It was only a matter of time, people have been talking about the possibility of drone subs for years at this point and there have been forays into sub-deployed underwater drones for years now.

The interesting thing to me is that IIRC the new class of US military submarine won't be constructed, much less in service, until the 2030s. I wonder if the US has managed to build full size subs in secret, if they've made drone subs that are completely autonomous and therefore small enough to build without people noticing, or if they've managed to retrofit older subs to deploy them/design the drones to work out of torpedo tubes or something. If they managed to figure out an easy way to get water-to-air stealth drones to deploy out of old subs that's an even bigger deal than a fully modern drone sub would be. Means their deployment would only be limited by drone production, not sub production, and that any US ally could have them (the Australia sub deal comes to mind, for various reasons).

Weird shit. Hopefully we have a little while before the Chinese manage to steal the blueprints.

Maybe NGAD? It was meant to get it's design finished this year with engine finalized 2025.

The feds must love the invention and proliferation of consumer drones as it gives them a much easier excuse to give the masses. Compare this to the spikes of "UFO" sightings that would occur whenever the F-117 or B2 were deployed.

 

[Dispirited Helmet]

but why would you want them back?

Recon, stealth, something isn't right and you need to redirect your munitions somewhere else, etc. It's just more strategic options off of a single platform, whereas a missile can only really be used for one thing.

They wouldn't be able to construct a new class in secret. If they are sub launching drones then they have probably retrofitted an Ohio class like they have already done to a few of the boats as cruise missile platforms. I don't think any of the attack boats are large enough to carry & launch multiple drones of that size. The Virginia's can only piggyback one rescue or special forces sub for example.

I had heard that these drones are the size of a car, so a Trident launch tube would be the only practical launcher. An Ohio has 24 tubes so they could be pre-packaged to launch at any time.
It's all theoretical anyway, I don't really see the need for sub launched drones as the US has airfields close to any theatre where they may be needed and can launch Globals to do the job.
Reconnaissance would be the only reason, there is no point in loading them out for attack when a stand off cruise missile would do the job more effectively.

Oh yeah, if it was attack boat based I think they'd have already been completely outed by the locals, I'm sure everybody and their mother is flying drones around Jersey looking for surface stuff. I also agree that in the modern age it's almost impossible to make a sub in secret, IIRC the US sub program only just now started getting more funding again anyways. What I would bet money on though, is that these drones fit into the one of the upgraded delivery systems that they put into the Ohio, Michigan, Florida, and Georgia. The other 14 Ohio-classes that haven't been refitted (that we know of) are way too valuable as nuclear deterrents to be fucking around off the Jersey shore. That means any ship with Tomahawk tubes might be able to use them, which means that the UK may also have access to these if need be. Veerrrry interesting IMO.

EDIT: I double-checked the size of the Tomahawks, they have an 8 ft wingspan so they really might work with these drones IMO

Also, since these things have no heat signature to speak of and can come in underwater, they're going to be incredibly difficult to defend against with current defense systems. At night, against another ship? I don't know how you'd manage to deal with these, especially since they apparently have enough range to be showing up over half of New Jersey every night and still make it back by morning.

Maybe NGAD? It was meant to get it's design finished this year with engine finalized 2025.

No way, people are seeing these come into and out of the water en masse. That says naval operations to me rather than an Air Force prototype.

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

Recon, stealth, something isn't right and you need to redirect your munitions somewhere else, etc. It's just more strategic options off of a single platform, whereas a missile can only really be used for one thing.

But underwater cameras already exist.

My understanding to this exact situation is that americans are once again being absolutely retarded animals incapable of original thought. They see soviets perform gayops all around the globe, they start doing the same funding terrorist cells and that blew their towers away. They see internet being used commercially in the east, they prop up 5000 i-companies and destroy their economy. They see bitcoin blowing up, they create 8000000 shitcoins just to scam eachother, being worse than pajeets. They see ai used in few select applications to reduce workflow and expenses, they start shoving it everywhere with it blowing up in their faces cause after a revenue spike of laying a million rainbow haired pajeets goes steady decline because ai is just worse than them. They see drones being used successfully to blow up their shitty western tanks, they start putting expensive drones funded by government contract on expensive submarines funded by government contract because all of your weapon manufacturers live off scamming the government.

 

[Dispirited Helmet]

But underwater cameras already exist.

My understanding to this exact situation is that americans are once again being absolutely retarded animals incapable of original thought. They see soviets perform gayops all around the globe, they start doing the same funding terrorist cells and that blew their towers away. They see internet being used commercially in the east, they prop up 5000 i-companies and destroy their economy. They see bitcoin blowing up, they create 8000000 shitcoins just to scam eachother, being worse than pajeets. They see ai used in few select applications to reduce workflow and expenses, they start shoving it everywhere with it blowing up in their faces cause after a revenue spike of laying a million rainbow haired pajeets goes steady decline because ai is just worse than them. They see drones being used successfully to blow up their shitty western tanks, they start putting expensive drones funded by government contract on expensive submarines funded by government contract because all of your weapon manufacturers live off scamming the government.

DA COMRADE ALL FOR THE GLORIOUS MOTHERLAND DOWN WITH THE FILTHY WESTERN PIGS

 

[agility_]

Look if we're not going to overreact to every little bit of stimulus that life can provide, what is the point of being alive in the first place.
Brb, I'm off to refill my grain and bean silos.

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

Perry is neat!

 

[TKN_Lurker]

The Game Awards never fails to entertain me by having some weird drama every time.


(TLDR: Geoff promoted some sketchy ass bitcoin game that's obviously a scam at the Game Awards.)

 

[Ballpark_Look]

Well we are finally seeing how uninformed about aircraft the regular person is. People in New Jersey are literally saying anything that moves in the sky is a drone. Seen people say stuff like helicopters and business jets are drones.

Spoiler: Personal Opinion

Are there drones flying above NJ in a unannounced military exercise? Most likely.
Will we find out what they're doing? maybe in the future (which could be years into the future)

 

[reinigen]

Well we are finally seeing how uninformed about aircraft the regular person is. People in New Jersey are literally saying anything that moves in the sky is a drone. Seen people say stuff like helicopters and business jets are drones.

Spoiler: Personal Opinion

Are there drones flying above NJ in a unannounced military exercise? Most likely.
Will we find out what they're doing? maybe in the future (which could be years into the future)

The most interesting explanation I've seen is that 1) They're most likely our drones, and 2) they're searching for something using sensors and in a way they can't be up front with the general public. The conspiracy side thinks it's a suitcase nuke - as horrifying as that thought is.

 

[Helkar]

The conspiracy side things it's a nuke - as horrifying as that thought is.

i fucking refuse to believe that us military is incompetent enough to lose a nuke

 

[Ballpark_Look]

i fucking refuse to believe that us military is incompetent enough to lose a nuke

Well the US has lost at least three. All of them because of a plane crash. So in this case very unlikely it's a nuke.

 

[reinigen]

i fucking refuse to believe that us military is incompetent enough to lose a nuke

Not that way. Someone snuck it in due to lax border/customs control. Watch the video.

Edit: Also, refusing to believe our government could be stupid enough to do (insert dumb thing here) is just a setup for disappointment.

 

[Helkar]

Someone snuck it in due to lax border/customs control.

This one doesn't really pass the Occam's razor check for me, because what could possibly be the point. To my understanding, there's no such thing as an untraceable nuclear device, so if you're a country planning to conduct a nuclear attack on US soil, lobbing ICBMs just gets to the same result quicker.

 

[Ballpark_Look]

This one doesn't really pass the Occam's razor check for me, because what could possibly be the point. To my understanding, there's no such thing as an untraceable nuclear device, so if you're a country planning to conduct a nuclear attack on US soil, lobbing ICBMs just gets to the same result quicker.

I don't think it's the whole weapon system and it might only be the radiation source in the weapon. The source itself can easily be transported on a wooden pallet.

Someone a while ago told me that one nukes worth of radioactive material can fit in a suitcase. Don't quote me in that.

Also knowing how unorganized the US military is it may have just been left on a base somewhere or it may have never left it's origin destination. There are literally thousands of accounts of the military doing stuff like leaving an experimental tank in a field for 30 years.