Banter/Off-topic Thread & Community Stoning Platform

[UberSoldat]

I used to be deeply against the idea of single-talent threads before the Pippa thread. Now I am the reverse. I hope that someone takes the initiative to make single-talent threads for other people here. I'm not going to address much else right now because I'll be in college all day studying 3D printing, but I will also say that the idea of a dedicated thread for corporate events and industry '''''''drama'''''' (a term I am starting to dislike in the same terms Null dislikes the term doxxing due to how liberally it is abused to refer to anything that is less than perfect in the industry) to funnel negativity away from other threads is a perfectly acceptable one.

The answer remains the same, we don't have the activity levels to keep those threads running, this only exacerbates the problems as we've been trying to tell you over and over again since before the initial split.

 

[Koronesuki]

Gonna post here because I don't see a tv/movie/media thread. I got a good deal on a 256gb sd card for my phone and I'm old as shit that I can't seem to remember good movies from my time. I'd like if some of you niggas drop me good movies to download. Anything from 80's-2007 maybe current too if it isn't garbage. Some tv shows might be good too. Thanks

We actually do have a thread for western media:

The Round Eye Gaijin Entertainment Thread

Shill your weird round eye media here, particularly things you think were overlooked in the past century. The more round eye, the better, embrace your inner Mayo Monkey. I'll start off with something, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy is pretty solid Look, he looks like a ghost pig.

thevirtualasylum.com

No one seems to use it much, but I don't know if that's because people don't know it exists, or because people here don't watch a lot of western movies and television. (I fall into the second category myself these days, but that hasn't always been the case.)

 

[Hff201]

I used to be deeply against the idea of single-talent threads before the Pippa thread. Now I am the reverse. I hope that someone takes the initiative to make single-talent threads for other people here. I'm not going to address much else right now because I'll be in college all day studying 3D printing, but I will also say that the idea of a dedicated thread for corporate events and industry '''''''drama'''''' (a term I am starting to dislike in the same terms Null dislikes the term doxxing due to how liberally it is abused to refer to anything that is less than perfect in the industry) to funnel negativity away from other threads is a perfectly acceptable one.

I think in general the idea should be less about pre-emptively starting threads to avoid hypothetical problems or attempt to generate conversation that isn't happening naturally, and more about creating them to satisfy a demand when it actually arrives.

The Pippa thread was the earliest implementation of this; the general thread was becoming overwhelmed by posts about Pippa whenever she was streaming to the point where non-Pippa posts were drowned out, so the solution was to move the Pippa posts somewhere else. The same is true with events threads; segmenting posts related to an ongoing event or controversy makes sense both so they can serve as a more easily-readable timeline of the happenings and people's reactions to them, and to avoid cluttering the general thread.

What doesn't feel necessary is splintering off certain topics when that demand doesn't exist. I don't think anyone's ever been bothered by the general thread having too many posts about Hololive, or too many posts about VShojo, or too many posts about indies etc.. They just happen when something comes up that's worth talking about and run their course organically.

I can somewhat sympathise with the idea of wanting alternate "positive" and "negative" threads in certain situations, but it should be a case-by-case thing and not standard policy. I feel that Clara's political extremism and vitriol toward conservatives is in the public interest and should be documented and discussed, but I also appreciate that some people want to talk about other things, and would rather those subjects not have to take backseat to the nineteenth Clara post that day.

The problem is that when you have a dedicated "fan" platform and a dedicated "detractor" platform, you lose the middle-ground. Part of what makes the Pippa thread work is that we are critical fans - we like Pippa, but if we're not happy with something she's up to, we're not afraid to voice that opinion; and that balance of both positive and negative commentary helps maintain decorum. If someone either criticises her unfairly or defends a bad decision she makes, they will be challenged by other users, which happens less often when communities become splintered into black-and-white supporter and critic roles. Places like Cinemassacre Truth and RantGrumps didn't become a-log shitholes overnight; they started as alternative discussion subreddits where people could post more critically about the respective YouTubers without being dogpiled by fanboys, but since the more positive fans were content to stay on the "positive" platforms where the critical fans feel unwelcome, the sense of balance was lost and both sides grew more extreme. You now either go to the official platforms to mindlessly suck their dicks, or join a circlejerk on the detractor boards and never give anyone credit where due.

 

[Aquatic Novellite]

No you dont understand we MUST kill a white woman for not killing every tranny she meets!

Ritual sacrifices to Tezcatlipoca are underrated as a form of prayertainment.

 

[The Proctor]

The answer remains the same, we don't have the activity levels to keep those threads running, this only exacerbates the problems as we've been trying to tell you over and over again since before the initial split.

This is a circular argument. There are not the activity levels because the setup of the forum is fundamentally structured in opposition to the idea of promoting activity of this kind. The megathread structure is a confusing and inelegant mess to everyone who isn't already used to it, requiring extensive patience and extra effort to catch with. I personally find it near-incomprehensible at times, and the way people frequently loop about topics that were previously discussed in detail results in warped narratives and mis-remembered facts that cannot be easily cross-referenced or corrected unless someone has the archival autism needed to do so. New users are required to abandon all previous standards set by other websites and discussion venues, including those of other forums, which they have no incentive to do. Meanwhile, half the systems for Xenforo and most of the add-ons we could use were never designed for a megathread structure and massively limit our potential.

People have gotten far too used to this structure, when it does not promote growth or encourage people to branch out and explore new ideas and options. I understand that nearly three years of the same system is comforting for many, but staff do not feel this is a valid argument for clinging to the megathread structure. If you have an alternative that would accomplish similar goals of opening up the forum to a multi-thread structure that would preserve activity, you are free to propose it, but apart from potentially consolidating some threads back together, there will never be a return to a megathread system. TVA is now an open venue, where people are free to make topics as they see fit. Whether it takes a short period of time or a long period of time, I'm confident in and trust in the ability of the community to adapt.

 

[Koronesuki]

This is a circular argument. There are not the activity levels because the setup of the forum is fundamentally structured in opposition to the idea of promoting activity of this kind.

Do you really believe that changing the forum structure will bring more people to the site? This is magical thinking.

Forum structure should be changed according to the needs of the community. It shouldn't be changed as some sort of attempt to change the needs of the community. You're putting the cart before the horse.

 

[The Proctor]

Do you really believe that changing the forum structure will bring more people to the site? This is magical thinking.

Forum structure should be changed according to the needs of the community. It shouldn't be changed as some sort of attempt to change the needs of the community. You're putting the cart before the horse.

It already has. I see a noticeable uptick of new users or people I've literally never seen post before in the new threads. I don't see it as being a rapid process, but I see it as a successful one so far. People are expecting radical change overnight, which was never my plan. I expect that it might take a year or more for the full effects of this transition to ripple out and for the new status quo to fully settle in. Until then, all the facilities are there for people to continue operating as they always have if they so choose.

 

[Egg the Boiled]

That's right. Best to flush out the undesirables and bring in a new crop of users who will be safer and less... problematic.

 

[The Proctor]

That's right. Best to flush out the undesirables and bring in a new crop of users who will be safer and less... problematic.

Other users like @Cubanodun and @thhrang will tell you how incredibly resistant I have been towards such tactics. The fact the Pippa thread still exists is a testament to that. I was vehemently against its existence for a long time, and by scrolling back through the forum you can easily find evidence of me threatening to reintegrate it (as a joke, but I feel it's still a valid showcase of my preferences). Yet throughout all that, I didn't, because what I would like to do is constrained by what my principles say I should do. In the end my opinion on the thread changed, and I see that as a vindication of those principles. That's why I allow free speech on this forum even when I personally and very strongly disagree with the contents of said speech at times.

 

[CalciumAnimal]

It already has. I see a noticeable uptick of new users or people I've literally never seen post before in the new threads. I don't see it as being a rapid process, but I see it as a successful one so far. People are expecting radical change overnight, which was never my plan. I expect that it might take a year or more for the full effects of this transition to ripple out and for the new status quo to fully settle in. Until then, all the facilities are there for people to continue operating as they always have if they so choose.

are these people in the room with us right now?are they telling you to burn things?

Proctard unless you have access to some magical information we don't we can also see newly registered users there has been no change in how many there are per day on average.

these people you keep yammering on about do not exist but lets pretend they do you made a change based on a problem we were still 3-4 years away from reaching based on essentially no information.

Even if you got every 2 view we know of to shill this place we would still not have a fraction of the users you seem to think are here/coming.


Korone has it right magical thinking. I made a joke before but ill repeat it here. DO NOT COUNT YOUR CHICKENS BEFORE THEY ARE HATCHED.

 

[shipmate_F]

I know this is probably a bad time to say this, but I was one of the other people who proposed the thread split, for various reasons. I understand most people hate it, and I totally see the benefits to the general thread - but the longer I've tried to browse here the more people seem more simply jilted and less willing to discuss the streams and content over the drama.

I liked the general thread format for a long time. Back on Kiwi, we all were kinda cramped into our own space and when events went down people would constantly livepost about them, there was a pretty decent appeal to that. But when there were talks about a splinter forum, I already was saying that a proper organized, traditional forum would be much better, simply because it would make the site less intimidating to use and more accessible to a wider audience. I get the fact that the general thread format in the first place is supposed to be a big filter, but I think its unfair the site has become this massive sekrit club where a lot of newbies end up confused over the layout of the site and choose to stop browsing rather than feeling comfortable. Site growth is an unfortunate necessity for it to be upkept.

One of the big reasons I tended to dislike the general thread format, especially lately, is because a lot of the fun has simply been overwritten by people constantly getting jaded over the state of vtubing as a whole. It doesn't help that a handful of people here have effectively written off vtubing entirely and treat the site as a dumping ground cough Xenlar's clique cough over trying to contribute to it being a better, even great place for vtuber discussion.

It also doesn't help that with liveposting moved to its own thread, we don't see endearingly obsessed fans of certain vtubers really properly advertising or even showing their appeal to the rest of the site. It brings the energy and the unity of the site down as a whole.

I will say right now, before I continue: I do not particularly like Proctor. Frankly, he was incredibly stubborn to budge on this idea, and when he actually took it he took it for all the wrong reasons, and has explained them incredibly poorly. He's too autistic to properly explain his reasoning in short, so here's my reasoning, summed up in a small, neat package:

The general thread has stopped being fun. Vtubers are now too much of srs bzns to really discuss jovially in a larger capacity, which is why I see split threads as a good way to reignite some passion in people. Not to encourage tribalism, but to bring people together over the joy of our favorite corps/Vtubers. A perfect example of this, although I know people loathe it, is the Pippa thread - the people that spend time there are more passionate about the girl they watch, more fun to spend time around and banter with, and generally much more enjoyable company because they have a (properly moderated) space for themselves.

We all need a little room to get ourselves out of the pits of sadness and misery.

I completely understand at the end of the day if this seems wrong, or if I'm blatantly incorrect, but the feelings I feel in the general thread are the same ones I feel browing a schizo-filled general thread on /vt/. The split threads and even the Pippa thread give me the same warm feelings other good, fun forums gave me in the past, and we ought to have those feelings here.

I would be more fond of staff if they came down with an iron fist for 1 month to regulate the doomposting instead of this homo solution of segregating people. We are shitstirrers, that comes with freedom of speech because when you don't walk on eggshells anything can rile others from their perspective.
I think enforcing a "think for yourself if your post comes from a negative place" would do better in the long run. I'm not saying to stop reporting on bad actors or negative events either, just the intention behind it, if it's to slander or to report (I will slander Yozora at every opportunity).

This is the only reason that makes sense for me. If 50 pages a day was the standard for General thread I'd probably be in support of a split but we are a niche of a niche and there just isn't enough activity for it to make sense. We only hit those numbers if there's big drama and even then that usually gets split into a specific thread for that instance anyways.

Maybe that's just me but you don't need to consume everything that happens in the forum in the same day. It's the same as gaming: you don't need to rush your experience just because of FOMO or to catch up with conversations, the Highlight/Threadmaker system is a great addition for topics that might require immediate attention, whilst you can take your time with the rest of it.

This is a much better place when people are, despite their jaded, cynical natures, being sincerely fond of these silly, somewhat retarded anime women than it is when people are openly lusting for destruction.

I think 2023 vibe of open discussion while dunking on whores, grifters and femboys was the ideal climate. Forum drama events (Vsoyboy, Alex, Rrat) took goodwill out of many people and soured their mood, even if subconsciously.
The general doomposting comes from a lack of understanding that corpos gonna corpo, personally I love to joke about Hololive Doomsday but all that happened is progression towards the goal of straining talent out of their girls, the ones who don't like it moved on and that's life.

I'd say users should internalize their strifes and try to move on, both from hating Proctor being a retard and corpo/vtubing gripes. It's not easy if your oshi lost 4 years of her life on a dead ip, but it's not like she was found dead on the streets of Detroit.

And @The Proctor stop being such a tard and open a thread for voting regarding the forum structure, just like you did for Nolan and Hexa. If you need the numbers we'll give it to you.

 

[Egg the Boiled]

That's why I allow free speech on this forum even when I personally and very strongly disagree with the contents of said speech at times.

Come on, you've banned and chased off people for disagreeing with you before. You don't have the values you claim to have at all.

Anyway, my point that you either didn't understand or ignored, is that there's a certain community that's happy here. And now, rather then listen to that community, you'd rather change things to make outsiders more comfortable. Sound familiar to any other situations in popular media?

 

[VSoyBoy]

So far, concerning new users I have seen since the split:
- A gimmick account of a rock who joined to talk about wanting to tuck into some geode pussy.
- Someone who was genuinely interested in participating in PixelLink discussion, a thread that existed before the split.

 

[La+ de Central Norte]

Other users like @Cubanodun and @thhrang will tell you how incredibly resistant I have been towards such tactics. The fact the Pippa thread still exists is a testament to that. I was vehemently against its existence for a long time, and by scrolling back through the forum you can easily find evidence of me threatening to reintegrate it (as a joke, but I feel it's still a valid showcase of my preferences). Yet throughout all that, I didn't, because what I would like to do is constrained by what my principles say I should do. In the end my opinion on the thread changed, and I see that as a vindication of those principles. That's why I allow free speech on this forum even when I personally and very strongly disagree with the contents of said speech at times.

Allow us to vote and see that most of the users of this forum dont want this bullshit of split threads

 

[The Proctor]

Come on, you've banned and chased off people for disagreeing with you before. You don't have the values you claim to have at all.

TVA has no banned users aside from Nolan Crush who were not trolls or severely mentally ill, like Kestraline or the BannedVTMemes people. I have not 'chased off' anyone, aside from maybe Hexa, who everyone agreed was a bad influence who shared none of our values and was purely here to leech off us.

 

[Godzilla1984]

Fag is full of shit.
News at 11.

 

[Egg the Boiled]

TVA has no banned users aside from Nolan Crush who were not trolls or severely mentally ill, like Kestraline or the BannedVTMemes people. I have not 'chased off' anyone, aside from maybe Hexa, who everyone agreed was a bad influence who shared none of our values and was purely here to leech off us.

Oh, do bans you set up during your meltdowns that you later reversed not count? Fair enough then.

 

[Godzilla1984]

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is what he does best.
All he had to do was nothing and let a good thing continue to be a good thing.
He'd make a wonderful CEO.

 

[The Proctor]

Oh, do bans you set up during your meltdowns that you later reversed not count? Fair enough then.

The only people I banned from the forum during a 'meltdown' was roughly two years ago, and I gave them both apologies and rescinded their bans after I realized I had not handled the situation correctly.

 

[Porean]

What will be the fate of the Megathread v4 after it reaches it's poast limit? As it is to be used for "Any content that does not fall into any of the above categories can be discussed in the General Thread as usual." It's just the same ol' mega-thread with stream announcements, speculation, stream moments and a history lesson in the deep ASSFAGGOTS rivalry tween DOTA and LoL.

Will there be no v5 and instead the forum will be properly segregated into the new "Official" generals and then later on generals for individual talents?