General Thread v5 Guys: MariMari_EN Edition

[God's Strongest Dragoon]

Don't be racist you N'wah

Keep talking scrib.

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

ES?

>Sees her Kiki posting

Fucking called it long ago (not her specifically but the scene in general, her specifically is goddamn tragic though)

 

[Phantasm]

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Thankfully I've never played as a filthy Dunmer I always play as the Chad Nords

 

[Void Scribas]

I was always under the impression that it was a semi-open *wink wink* kind of thing that she was married, though maybe that was only the case by the time she appeared on my radar in 2023. Probably weeding out any unicorns tuning in to her re-debut, I suppose. Still I'm happy for her! Her husband is a lucky man:

Spoiler: Spoilered because this is a married woman, inshallah

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Kind of funny to think that this photo was angled to hide her baby bump, considering the timeframe here.

Also
Archive for the announcement tweet

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Pina is like the one VTuber in the ex-small corpo space who I would trust with raising a child correctly. Her vibe has always been pretty motherly and her content has always stayed on the seiso side of things, so there shouldn't be any unresolved trauma or middle school bullying in the future (hopefully).

Come to think of it, a lot of the ex-Prism Project girls seem pretty normal, relatively speaking, (with some exceptions, cough Shiki, Luto)

That husband is such a lucky bastard, Pina is peak wife material

 

[Horo7618]

There's like 2 confirmed mom's that are active vtubers in the EN side now right? Pina and otsuka ray

you forgot

Mom AtCookieBox

Bunny mom vtuber who is the real life mom of a bunny vtuber. Gaming streams, seiso hangout sessions, D&D stories, tons of chatting. This is a comfy vibe, safe kind of place to hang out. Community members are "Smart Cookies" or "Smookies."

www.youtube.com

 

[CalciumAnimal]

There's like 2 confirmed mom's that are active vtubers in the EN side now right? Pina and otsuka ray

I mean you could argue that otsuka ray is JP but she's fairly known in the EN side as well

there's also Vexoria who has her husband and kids on stream when they run past. shes pretty degen tho.

 

[Smelliest007]

Thankfully I've never played as a filthy Dunmer I always play as the Chad Nords

I play Gigachad Altmer, Nordjaks cry at the oppression.

 

[Euthyphro]

Yeah, that sounds about right

 

[AO Cody]

Pina Pengin becomes a literal VTuber mama.



EDIT: lol I missed the twitter post talking about this being posted here. Ah well. Clock me.

 

[Phantasm]

I play Gigachad Altmer, Nordjaks cry at the oppression.
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[RestlessRain]

If you haven't played a racist High Elf at least once you are missing out.

 

[Clem the Gem]

Archive

Koinuko (Goro Gaomi of Stellar Verse Productions)) is selling her used PL model/IP. I can't see this working out well for whoever buys it...

I don't know about $10,000, but from the video you can tell a shitload of work went into the model with all the different costumes, toggles, animations and so on. Sadly, I reckon a chunk of that pricetag is to do with it coming with NSFW models and artwork, especially targeted for uoooohs.

But anyway, who would even want a second hand Vtuber IP? Are they hoping enough time has passed that no one is going to remember or recognise it from the previous owner?
Has anyone heard of a model being recycled like this previously?

 

[JusticeDog]

But anyway, who would even want a second hand Vtuber IP? Are they hoping enough time has passed that no one is going to remember or recognise it from the previous owner?
Has anyone heard of a model being recycled like this previously?

Seems that someone wanted it

 

[Hff201]

I don't know about $10,000, but from the video you can tell a shitload of work went into the model with all the different costumes, toggles, animations and so on. Sadly, I reckon a chunk of that pricetag is to do with it coming with NSFW models and artwork, especially targeted for uoooohs.

But anyway, who would even want a second hand Vtuber IP? Are they hoping enough time has passed that no one is going to remember or recognise it from the previous owner?
Has anyone heard of a model being recycled like this previously?

She's conflating the cost and the value, which are often very, very different things. I don't doubt she's spent five figures on the model/rigging etc., it's fairly detailed and has a lot going on, but the value of something is whatever people are willing to pay for it, which in this case (judging by @JusticeDog's post) is around $5k (assuming it hasn't been negotiated down too much). As for whether skinwalking it will work for the buyer... I don't see it happening, and being blunt, I hope it doesn't. It sets a terrible precedent that will absolutely be abused by bad actors, and it erodes the concept of vtuber kayfabe even more.

There's part of me that thinks there could be value from buying graduated IPs without skinwalking them though - not in Koinu's case since her channel is dead in the water, that shit gets like 20-60 views a day, but you might be able to make something work with a moderately established IP that left some kind of impact by buying the channel and letting the trickles of ad revenue act as passive income over time. It wouldn't be too much work to just throw up a highlight/compilation/short every month or so to keep the monetisation going and otherwise letting it take care of itself. There's some risks since it'd be a balancing act of generating income while not being too egregious about it that fans find it distasteful, and you'd be fighting YouTube's ever-changing policies on inactive channels, but I think in the right circumstances it could be worth a punt.

 

[MerelyTourist]

I don't know about $10,000, but from the video you can tell a shitload of work went into the model with all the different costumes, toggles, animations and so on. Sadly, I reckon a chunk of that pricetag is to do with it coming with NSFW models and artwork, especially targeted for uoooohs.

But anyway, who would even want a second hand Vtuber IP? Are they hoping enough time has passed that no one is going to remember or recognise it from the previous owner?
Has anyone heard of a model being recycled like this previously?

She's small enough that new person would have a chance to succeed. On the brink i'd say, but can work out. Especially if it's gonna be in another language. Assuming new person gonna use different name and not try to imitate her.

BTW she didn't say anything about selling the channel or her other models

 

[frz]

She's conflating the cost and the value, which are often very, very different things. I don't doubt she's spent five figures on the model/rigging etc., it's fairly detailed and has a lot going on, but the value of something is whatever people are willing to pay for it, which in this case (judging by @JusticeDog's post) is around $5k (assuming it hasn't been negotiated down too much). As for whether skinwalking it will work for the buyer... I don't see it happening, and being blunt, I hope it doesn't. It sets a terrible precedent that will absolutely be abused by bad actors, and it erodes the concept of vtuber kayfabe even more.

There's part of me that thinks there could be value from buying graduated IPs without skinwalking them though - not in Koinu's case since her channel is dead in the water, that shit gets like 20-60 views a day, but you might be able to make something work with a moderately established IP that left some kind of impact by buying the channel and letting the trickles of ad revenue act as passive income over time. It wouldn't be too much work to just throw up a highlight/compilation/short every month or so to keep the monetisation going and otherwise letting it take care of itself. There's some risks since it'd be a balancing act of generating income while not being too egregious about it that fans find it distasteful, and you'd be fighting YouTube's ever-changing policies on inactive channels, but I think in the right circumstances it could be worth a punt.

"5k (Negotiable)" means even she knows she won't get 5k. You are going too hard off initial pricing.
It's when someone says "5k (non-negotiable)" then you would conclude the person to be too optimistic.

Buyers aren't stupid. What you know they will also know, and people who aren't familiar with selling things can be easily haggled down by a lot, even more so if the seller is in need of some quick cash for some thing.
Savy people will start haggling/first offer at 1k for that model, then she will eventually ended up settling for 2k because noone else is buying. That's best case scenario I think. Worst case scenario is she never ended up finding even a good 2k offer and never sell the model.

Tbf these are vtubers we are talking about, maybe there are some girls out there really dumb enough to buy it for 5k, I'm leaving the possibility open.

Edit: well the deal was closed when I was typing this, if it closed that quickly meaning she got close to 5k. I rated vtubers too highly.

 

[shipmate]

There's like 2 confirmed mom's that are active vtubers in the EN side now right? Pina and otsuka ray

I mean you could argue that otsuka ray is JP but she's fairly known in the EN side as well

From the top of my head there's Bessie/CowgirlCowgirl but I wouldn't doubt we have multiple undisclosed new moms. Remember that vtubing boom happened around 2020, four to five years is enough time for any girl in the scene sift through hundreds or thousands of guys and settle down with a STEM autist. Or to be lured by a mod that read too much erotica.

 

[Hff201]

Tbf these are vtubers we are talking about, maybe there are some girls out there really dumb enough to buy it for 5k, I'm leaving the possibility open.

The vast majority of women wanting to make it in this industry are absolutely brain-dead retarded with business arrangements. Remember that every one of these blatant scam corporations who have no capital, no roadmap, and a CEO with bigger red flags than a middle-aged man selling sweets out of a white van is able to court hundreds, often thousands of applicants. These people would cover themselves in meat and lie in a lion enclosure if they thought it'd help them become a vtuber.

It's obvious to anyone who's been following vtubers for a while that skinwalking a previously-used model would be a detriment rather than a buff since it's violating one of the biggest taboos to have ever existed in the community; but someone who is desperate enough will do all the mental gymnastics in the world to suppress their logic and convince themselves using an established character design will give them the boost they need to get their streaming career off the ground.

 

[RestlessRain]

The vast majority of women wanting to make it in this industry are absolutely brain-dead retarded with business arrangements. Remember that every one of these blatant scam corporations who have no capital, no roadmap, and a CEO with bigger red flags than a middle-aged man selling sweets out of a white van is able to court hundreds, often thousands of applicants. These people would cover themselves in meat and lie in a lion enclosure if they thought it'd help them become a vtuber.

It's obvious to anyone who's been following vtubers for a while that skinwalking a previously-used model would be a detriment rather than a buff since it's violating one of the biggest taboos to have ever existed in the community; but someone who is desperate enough will do all the mental gymnastics in the world to suppress their logic and convince themselves using an established character design will give them the boost they need to get their streaming career off the ground.

This event violates such an ingrained norm that it actually would attract a small audience on redebut, just for how unprecedented it is. I'd probably watch just to see what happens, and I imagine a few other board regulars might too. I suppose some of Koinuko's old audience might watch too, if they particularly like the model itself. If you wanted a good-quality model and an audience to start your career with, this is a relatively cheap way to do it, I suppose.

Now, I don't think this person will be able to keep that audience after debut, for a bunch of different reasons, but that's another story.

 

[NeneLOVE]

Uhhh yes! I totally know and agree with what you guys are talking about! I am definitely not sleep deprived and barely aware of my surroundings (insert long-winded musings about the industry at 3am)